Feel the excitement: D810

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In reply to hypercore360, 3 months ago

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There's going to be an onslaught of D800/E's for sale on the 2nd hard market like nobody's business.

I don't think so.

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$3200 for a "35 mm" SLR body is nuts.

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$3200 for a "35 mm" SLR body is nuts.

It is a bit on the low side. But just learn to take the bargains when they give 'em. 

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ultimitsu wrote:

hypercore360 wrote:

http://www.dailycameranews.com/2014/06/nikon-d810-name-confirmed/

  • 36MP sensor
  • No low pass (AA) filter (just like the D800E, this time Nikon will only introduce one model without the AA filter)
  • Improved software to suppress moiré
  • Expeed 4 imaging processor (they may call it Expeed 4a)

Nothing exciting here

  • Higher resolution LCD screen
  • Built-in GPS
  • 5 fps (6fps with the MB-D12)
  • The new camera will be lighter (compared to the D800/D800E)

Nice but incremental.

  • sRAW

This is what a lot of people have been asking for.

I wonder why. I really do.

  • 4k video is unlikely
  • No Built-in Wi-Fi

These are sort of essential these days.

Nah, WiFi is too slow.

  • Same AF improvements like in the D4s
  • Improved low light capabilities: one stop better ISO performance

I think these are unlikely. Especially the 1 stop better ISO part.

Maybe Nikon solved the amp-glow problem, add technical tuning and you could have 1 stop.

  • 4 centre autofocus points

Would be interesting to see what that is like.

Yes.

Unfortunately no word on better LV or solving forced stop-down.

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Re: I am interested, a few items I'll be looking at
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The AF accuracy is not so relevant at 16MP (D4s) but is very important at 36MP.

For the same output size there is no difference

(which doesn´t mean I don´t think accuracy is very important...).

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rubank wrote:

ultimitsu wrote:

  • sRAW

This is what a lot of people have been asking for.

I wonder why. I really do.

Because for some types of shooting full 36 MP is completely pointless. For example indoor sports where all your shots are ISO 3200+, 36 MP will just give you many MB of noise. 12MP SRAW taking 1/3 the card space and triple buffer space is much more sensible.

  • 4k video is unlikely
  • No Built-in Wi-Fi

These are sort of essential these days.

Nah, WiFi is too slow.

Have you used wifi? I have had a wifi SD card for about 8 month now, and it is great. It allows you to upload images to ipad or cellphone right after shooting session. people can see it at high res display and share it straightaway.

  • Same AF improvements like in the D4s
  • Improved low light capabilities: one stop better ISO performance

I think these are unlikely. Especially the 1 stop better ISO part.

Maybe Nikon solved the amp-glow problem, add technical tuning and you could have 1 stop.

Amp glow fix will just reduce the red cast, D800 is already at something like 55% QE, unless the CMOS architecture is completely redsigned I dont see how you can double high ISO performance - which is what 1 stop improvement is.

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ebuddha wrote:

hypercore360 wrote:

There's going to be an onslaught of D800/E's for sale on the 2nd hard market like nobody's business.

I sold mine 6 months ago in anticipation of this, but may leave for Sony after I see what gets announced at photokina.

I'm really hoping the AF is a big step forward, but even if they tighten up the tolerances, not sure it'll solve the focus shift problem found in a lot of great lenses (e.g. 14-24/2.8)

So, you sold your D800 6 months ago in anticipation of this event, what have you used in the interim? Many photographers (sic) follow this strategy which seems to me to only give them bragging rights for owning the latest new toy.

To each his own.

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ultimitsu wrote:

rubank wrote:

ultimitsu wrote:

  • sRAW

This is what a lot of people have been asking for.

I wonder why. I really do.

Because for some types of shooting full 36 MP is completely pointless. For example indoor sports where all your shots are ISO 3200+, 36 MP will just give you many MB of noise. 12MP SRAW taking 1/3 the card space and triple buffer space is much more sensible

Not if your lens are not long enough and you need to crop. Also, 36MP gives compositional options in post. I don't necessarily want the subject in the centre. Using off centre autofocus point requires that you move them around and the speed of the action may not allow for that. I am not a pro so I don't have 2 bodies or exotic teles that give me such an advantage.

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The Sony A7R has already replaced my D800E for 95% of my use!

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rubank wrote:

rhlpetrus wrote:

The AF accuracy is not so relevant at 16MP (D4s) but is very important at 36MP.

For the same output size there is no difference

(which doesn´t mean I don´t think accuracy is very important...).

I am assuming one uses all res that is available. If I were interested in printing only at 16MP, there would be no reason to go for the D810.

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Bing Chow wrote:

ultimitsu wrote:

rubank wrote:

ultimitsu wrote:

  • sRAW

This is what a lot of people have been asking for.

I wonder why. I really do.

Because for some types of shooting full 36 MP is completely pointless. For example indoor sports where all your shots are ISO 3200+, 36 MP will just give you many MB of noise. 12MP SRAW taking 1/3 the card space and triple buffer space is much more sensible

Not if your lens are not long enough and you need to crop. Also, 36MP gives compositional options in post. I don't necessarily want the subject in the centre. Using off centre autofocus point requires that you move them around and the speed of the action may not allow for that. I am not a pro so I don't have 2 bodies or exotic teles that give me such an advantage.

You are not reading what you quoted properly. Did you see the sentence:

“where all your shots are ISO 3200+“

At iso 3200+ there is no extra detail, thus there is no extra cropping or composition headroom.

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sjprg wrote:

The Sony A7R has already replaced my D800E for 95% of my use!

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Why?  And what do you shoot?

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Re: Hmm, excitement?
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Stacey_K wrote:

I just bought a D800 and honestly, I'm done being the early adopter of stuff like this. I never get a new computer OS until at least SP-2 has been released. Same with cameras, I wait till they have gotten the bugs out of production and the firmware before I am interested.

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I agree completely.   Just look at the D600 / D610 situation as a very recent example.

I think the upgrades will be fine for somebody with a D7000/D7100 (or similar) looking to upgrade to an FX camera, but for my part, I have ZERO interest in upgrading my D800, which I just bought a few months ago myself.

The other thing I find, and your mileage may vary, I still use my D700 for different jobs.  Yes, image quality is far better on the D800, and I am very happy to have it, but some days, some situations, some jobs, the old D700 "workhorse" just is still better camera to use.

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joneil wrote:

Stacey_K wrote:

I just bought a D800 and honestly, I'm done being the early adopter of stuff like this. I never get a new computer OS until at least SP-2 has been released. Same with cameras, I wait till they have gotten the bugs out of production and the firmware before I am interested.

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I agree completely. Just look at the D600 / D610 situation as a very recent example.

I think the upgrades will be fine for somebody with a D7000/D7100 (or similar) looking to upgrade to an FX camera, but for my part, I have ZERO interest in upgrading my D800, which I just bought a few months ago myself.

The other thing I find, and your mileage may vary, I still use my D700 for different jobs. Yes, image quality is far better on the D800, and I am very happy to have it, but some days, some situations, some jobs, the old D700 "workhorse" just is still better camera to use.

There may be concerns about early adopting a lot of things, but sitting here in June 2014, after the D600 oil fiasco and the D800 AF fiasco, there should be zero concerns about buying a D810. No way Nikon is going to let that be a concern. ( Might be famous last words on my account, but don't think so )

But for me, if the rumored specs are correct, the 810 will be my next body. I will not buy it new. I didn't pre-order a D800 but saw one for sale on Kijiji from a fellow who had pre-ordered but didn't want to pick it up, as he changed his mind and wanted a D4. I paid $200 over list but ended up with a new, never opened D800 on / around April 1, 2012. But not this time.

This time, being in the Toronto area with 6 million people in the Greater Toronto Area and about 7.5 million total in a short driving distance, I'm going to bet on this -

Some novice is going to go into a Henrys store and buy a D810. They are going to talk him into the $700+ 5 year fully transferrable, free replacement after sent in twice for repairs for same issue, warranty.

Said novice is going to find out it's "too much camera" for him and list it on Kijiji or Craigslist for $2600 to $2800 with 500 or 600 shots on it.

And that's how I'm going to get my next body with 5 year warranty. And that's precisely how I got my 800e and subsequently sold my 800. Still has 4 years of full transferrable, no hassle warranty. Even if it's the first 810 produced.

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Oldan New wrote:

$3200 for a "35 mm" SLR body is nuts.

Look at the 5DM3 for $3500.  The D810 will be a relative bargain at $3200 in comparison.

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inasir1971 wrote:

I'd be more excited about an AF-S 135/1.8 or 2.0 with Nano coating...

With VR.

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ebuddha wrote:

hypercore360 wrote:

There's going to be an onslaught of D800/E's for sale on the 2nd hard market like nobody's business.

I sold mine 6 months ago in anticipation of this, but may leave for Sony after I see what gets announced at photokina.

I'm really hoping the AF is a big step forward, but even if they tighten up the tolerances, not sure it'll solve the focus shift problem found in a lot of great lenses (e.g. 14-24/2.8)

So, you sold your D800 6 months ago in anticipation of this event, what have you used in the interim? Many photographers (sic) follow this strategy which seems to me to only give them bragging rights for owning the latest new toy.

To each his own.

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I think the upgrades will be fine for somebody with a D7000/D7100 (or similar) looking to upgrade to an FX camera, but for my part, I have ZERO interest in upgrading my D800, which I just bought a few months ago myself.

I'm hoping that owners of older cameras (D800e!) will still be able to use CaptureNX2 to process RAW files from the D810.  I'm dreading when Nikon forces me to new processing software as I'll then (probably) lose all the NEF file edits and adjustments I've put into place for years.   Like when I went from CaptureNX to CaptureNX2 and lost all the filter adjustments I made with NIK filters.

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In reply to ultimitsu, 3 months ago

ultimitsu wrote:

hypercore360 wrote:

http://www.dailycameranews.com/2014/06/nikon-d810-name-confirmed/

  • 36MP sensor
  • No low pass (AA) filter (just like the D800E, this time Nikon will only introduce one model without the AA filter)
  • Improved software to suppress moiré
  • Expeed 4 imaging processor (they may call it Expeed 4a)

Nothing exciting here

Correct.  Absolutely nothing exiting. 40mp would've half-perked one of my ears up, but even that would only be a slight difference in print latitude.

  • Higher resolution LCD screen
  • Built-in GPS
  • 5 fps (6fps with the MB-D12)
  • The new camera will be lighter (compared to the D800/D800E)

Nice but incremental.

Screens are fine enough for me where they stand today on most cameras.  I don't need awesome LCD resolution although I do like the slick look.  Built in GPS I would use, if 5 fps was increased to 8 fps... THEN I that would get my attention.  Lighter than the current 800 series?  A fraction of an ounce lighter? Big whoptie-doo!

  • sRAW

This is what a lot of people have been asking for.

I would say that I'm surprised that it's taken Nikon this long but...

  • 4k video is unlikely
  • No Built-in Wi-Fi

These are sort of essential these days.

"Essential"?  I suppose if waiting all day to push big data between your camera and computer via WIFI is essential.  4k vid nice for those who work or dabble in areas where they or their clients would notice a difference...  which isn't most people... thereby making 4k vid not really "essential"  

  • Same AF improvements like in the D4s
  • Improved low light capabilities: one stop better ISO performance

I think these are unlikely. Especially the 1 stop better ISO part.

I don't think Nikon can usher up a full stop of worthwhile ISO performance; worthwhile meaning at an ISO setting that people are likely to reasonably use, because the nosebleed ISO levels are all but worthless in most areas of photography that involves you getting paid.

  • 4 centre autofocus points

Would be interesting to see what that is like.

I agree, a tight grouping of 4 highly sensitive focus points could be interesting for moving subjects; at the same time I'm not sue that the benefit would be any better than a single excellent center point for studio type work.

Will be interesting to see what comes to fruition.

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