Did you upgrade from the K-5 to the K-3?

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Did you upgrade from the K-5 to the K-3?
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Now that the K-3 reviews are in and the K-3 has gotten a Gold Award like the K-5 before it, are you one of the people who has upgraded? Is the K-3 really superior by leaps and bounds?

After trying one Nikon and two Rebel DSLR's, I gotta say I really like my K-5 by far. I dunno. I just like it more.

The only real difficulty it has for me is using it to shoot fast subjects. But I am sure it is due to my configurations and lack of experience. The K-5 is the first DSLR I've really dug into, after years of compacts and super zooms. And even though I have a hankering to try the latest greatest stuff, for once I feel like sticking with what I've got, and attempting to learn it inside out and master it (if possible) before moving on.

Unless you've got lots of experience with both cameras, and really think I should upgrade now.

Thanks.

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davids8560 wrote:

Now that the K-3 reviews are in and the K-3 has gotten a Gold Award like the K-5 before it, are you one of the people who has upgraded? Is the K-3 really superior by leaps and bounds?

After trying one Nikon and two Rebel DSLR's, I gotta say I really like my K-5 by far. I dunno. I just like it more.

The only real difficulty it has for me is using it to shoot fast subjects. But I am sure it is due to my configurations and lack of experience. The K-5 is the first DSLR I've really dug into, after years of compacts and super zooms. And even though I have a hankering to try the latest greatest stuff, for once I feel like sticking with what I've got, and attempting to learn it inside out and master it (if possible) before moving on.

Unless you've got lots of experience with both cameras, and really think I should upgrade now.

Thanks.

I was using K-5 for 3 years shooting wildlife. My K-3 arrived in the first week of November, 2013. I've never looked back to use K-5 again. However, my 2nd body is K-5IIs.

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davids8560 wrote:

Now that the K-3 reviews are in and the K-3 has gotten a Gold Award like the K-5 before it, are you one of the people who has upgraded? Is the K-3 really superior by leaps and bounds?

After trying one Nikon and two Rebel DSLR's, I gotta say I really like my K-5 by far. I dunno. I just like it more.

The only real difficulty it has for me is using it to shoot fast subjects. But I am sure it is due to my configurations and lack of experience. The K-5 is the first DSLR I've really dug into, after years of compacts and super zooms. And even though I have a hankering to try the latest greatest stuff, for once I feel like sticking with what I've got, and attempting to learn it inside out and master it (if possible) before moving on.

Unless you've got lots of experience with both cameras, and really think I should upgrade now.

Thanks.

I was using K-5 for 3 years shooting wildlife. My K-3 arrived in the first week of November, 2013. I've never looked back to use K-5 again. However, my 2nd body is K-5IIs.

I second what Greyser said, expect I don't have nearly the wildlife shooting experience he does. In just about every way that counts the K-3 is superior to the K-5 (except maybe some "mirror slap" issues some have had with time-lapse -- and RARELY in other circumstances; jury's still out if that's for all K-3s, or just a certain batch). I haven't had any mirror slap issues to date, but I've read enough about them to know they're a real issue for some people, at least some of the time.

Still, I'd recommend getting a K-3. MOST K-3 owners seem to have NO problems with them, and it's an improvement over the K-5 in so many ways it's really worth the upgrade. It' a major improvement over the K-5II, as well. Although there were a couple incremental improvements in the K-5II relating to low-light focusing that made it better than the K-5, such as an F 2.8 focusing sensor in the center, the K-3 has THREE such sensors, and has gone from 11-point maximum AF sensors to a maximum of 27, plus 86,000 metering points (not entirely sure I phrased that right), which is close to what the Nikon D4s has.

There are several more improvements relating to things like AFC and others, but if you've been following along, you probably know already. I got a K-5IIs on sale (still at the price, now, so I DID wait until it hit "rock bottom," which was my goal) a couple months after my K-3. My original K-5 is actually stuck away somewhere right now (not sure where -- somewhere in the den -- lotsa junk piled up in there, so I know it's not lost, or stolen). Like Greyser, with a K-3 and a K-5IIs, I really don't have much use for it at the moment.

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I have no immediate interest in the K-3.  I do no action shooting and most of my photography is landscapes and macro.  I use a K-5 along with a K-01.  The K-01 sees more use based on peak focusing for macro.  Compared to many photographers I am pretty much a low mileage shooter with my K-5, K-01 and 1stD all with under 5K shutter activations per camera.  But I shot more film than digital up until mid 2011.

I may eventually buy a K-3 based on better cropping performance than the 16 megapixel cameras and the fact that the K-3 has focus peaking.

Back in January I had a K-5IIs  for several weeks.  I did a comparison test using the same lens, ISO setting and exposure settings between the K-5 and the K-5IIs and could not see enough difference between the cameras to keep the K-5IIs.  I am probably one of the very few who did not keep the K-5IIs.

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davids8560 wrote:

Now that the K-3 reviews are in and the K-3 has gotten a Gold Award like the K-5 before it, are you one of the people who has upgraded? Is the K-3 really superior by leaps and bounds?

After trying one Nikon and two Rebel DSLR's, I gotta say I really like my K-5 by far. I dunno. I just like it more.

The only real difficulty it has for me is using it to shoot fast subjects. But I am sure it is due to my configurations and lack of experience. The K-5 is the first DSLR I've really dug into, after years of compacts and super zooms. And even though I have a hankering to try the latest greatest stuff, for once I feel like sticking with what I've got, and attempting to learn it inside out and master it (if possible) before moving on.

Unless you've got lots of experience with both cameras, and really think I should upgrade now.

Thanks.

I held out as I was dead set on full frame next. That said, I couldn't hold out any longer and picked up a K-3 last month. I will say that, yes, it is a huge upgrade from the K-5 in my opinion. I LOVED my K-5, and not even talking about IQ the K-3 is better. Better LCD, better control layout (not a whole lot different, but improved in my opinion.) Better UI even. It always bugged me that you could not quickly delete multiple photos on the K-5, and that is fixed with the K-3. Even the shutter seems quieter if that makes any sense.

For the most important aspect of IQ, it is a huge upgrade. The K-5 to me is an amazing camera and I got a lot of great results with it. The K03 just seemed to kick everything up a few notches once I got used to it. I'm getting results that I would have never gotten with the K-3. Many more keepers from the K-3. For me, after two years with the K-5 I really felt I had hit the limits of what I could do with it. I was very happy but felt I couldn't get results that were better IQ wise than the excellent results it was given me. I wanted a bit more and the K-3 gave it to me.

I say go for it. The K-3 is, to me, such a great step forward from the K-5.

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I don't know a whole lot about the mirror slap issue as far as if it was tied to a certain batch or what, but I haven't had a single issue with mine after about 5000 shots.

I did have one scare.... I pulled the camera out of my bag after a day or so, and the first time I pressed the shutter it fired off in rapid succession.... Uh oh.... Turns out it was still on high speed continuous from the day before. Big relief.

And I don't know if anyone ever reported the same for the K-5, but the last few months I had mine there were a few times I pressed the shutter and it actuated 4-5 times. With a slight delay between the first and the following ones. Happened maybe 5 times overall. One camera I have that has experienced no mirror slap at all is my K-01. Not sure why as I have abused it....... Oh wait.

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As most replies say, it is different animal.

You'll notice that straight away, but especially when you go back to the K-5. Then you notice how comparatively sluggish it is.

I basically haven't touched my K-5 since, either.

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Yes I did upgrade from K5 - K3.

And Yes, it was a significant upgrade.  the things I noticed are:

Better AF, better screen, focus peaking, better resolution, better matrix metering, two SD slots, better sharpness.

Also I found that less AF fine adjust was required.  On k5, all my lenses ( mostly pentax limiteds and *) needed some AF adjust.  On the k3 some didn't need any, and the ones that did needed much lower correction numbers.

Offhand, I can't think of anything that is worse than the k5.  Some people may say noise at high ISO is worse, but real world performance, ie when printing or resizing output to the same resolution I don't believe there is any significant difference.

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Cameras are companions in preservation of memories. They go along with us. So like children, they are not “upgraded”, but at times set apart briefly, but never truly replaced.

Memories remain. And if there are no memories of the companion, then there was never a journey.

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My K-5 is still a great camera, and for me there wouldn't be much point in upgrading to the K-3. The K-5 still fills all my needs in a digital camera.

Lately I have gone full circle and reverted to film. I shoot the MZ-3 in 35mm format, plus the 645N and N II and occassionally also the 6x7 MLU in medium format and love it.

Digital images from the K-5 are very clean, high iso is great, frame rate is everything I could ever want, but I take more pleasure in taking a lower number of analog photographs with one of the above cameras and developing the film myself (both BW and C-41). Suddenly the lure of a new digital camera every 18 months has disappeared ...

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I did. The K-5 remained with me longer than any DSLR before it, and I never felt the K-5II(S) offered enough useable new features for me. The K-3 is another beast however, with an impressive list of improvements, although the need to replace the K-5 by a K-3 depends on your requirements of course.

For me, there were at least three requirements that were met by the K-3 that improved it over the K-5:

  • Frame rate for HDR: I often use exposure bracketing for increased dynamic range. However, the slower the burst rate of a camera, the more likely movements between subsequent frames are possible. With the K-3's higher frame rate, even compared to the already pretty fast K-5, the various shots in a bracketed series match up noticeably better when combining them in a HDR/Enfused image.
  • Focus peaking for manual lenses: I have a lot of manual lenses, some older (the K135/2.5), some more recent (Revuenon 55/1.2, Samyang 24/3.5 TS). Nailing focus (or accurately placing the focus plane on the TS) using the view finder and focus confirmation was very hard when using these wide open, so I mostly resort to Liveview for critical situations. The K-3 offering focus peaking in Liveview makes this much more reliable (and faster) than on the K-5, resulting in many more keepers. Esp the TS benefits a lot from this!
  • Second card slot for more efficient card use: I regularly travel for extended periods (3 to 4 weeks) without access to my computer while photographing intensively on a daily basis. I used to carry a separate drive with a card reader to back-up my 2 SD-cards every evening, but this device was getting old and not so reliable anymore. I could not find a similar new device to replace it. So from carrying only 2 smallish SD-cards (sufficient for a day's shooting plus a back-up), I am now back to carrying as many cards as I estimate I will need for the entire extended period. The second card slot offers many possibilities, but maximizing card use without the risk of not being able to shoot because the card fills up it the most important to me. On the K-5 I had to replace cards before they filled up to make sure I would be able to continue shooting during upcoming eventful periods, thus on average not using 10 to 20% of card capacity on each card.

Other improvements are great as well, but none of those make a real difference for me.

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I started with the Ist DS, and when I had bought every upgrade I would like than the cost of the DA 560 is peanuts.  So I have invested in lenses instead.

So my upgrade steps till now:

IstDS    >   K20d > K5  and I did not regret it.

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Yes I did and the K-3 is so good I don't think I'll be tempted to upgrade again for quite some time.

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I am sure K-3 is a fantastic camera. I did pre-order one but cancelled the order and instead bought a K-5 IIs to replace my 3-year old original K-5. I have done several events and numerous macros and nature shots with the IIs. It is an extremely reliable camera, head and shoulder above the original K-5. Sharpness is another area that the IIs shines. I honestly don't see the need to get a K-3, unless the price is low enough. I think DSLRs in general have become so good that they are like major appliances that should last for awhile.  BTW, I also have a K-01 in case I need focus peaking.

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I have been skipping every second upgrade. However, skipped both the K5 and K511 and jumped from the K7 right to the K3.  No regretts.  No more upgrads till I complete my Lee filters and the 1.4 extender.  That's about $2500 in expenditures.

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Ishpuini wrote:

I did. The K-5 remained with me longer than any DSLR before it, and I never felt the K-5II(S) offered enough useable new features for me. The K-3 is another beast however, with an impressive list of improvements, although the need to replace the K-5 by a K-3 depends on your requirements of course.

For me, there were at least three requirements that were met by the K-3 that improved it over the K-5:

  • Frame rate for HDR: I often use exposure bracketing for increased dynamic range. However, the slower the burst rate of a camera, the more likely movements between subsequent frames are possible. With the K-3's higher frame rate, even compared to the already pretty fast K-5, the various shots in a bracketed series match up noticeably better when combining them in a HDR/Enfused image.

Do you use in camera HDR mostly, or do you bracket and use something in PP? I like HDR from time to time, but I've never been impressed with what the K-5 or K-3 gives me.

If PP, what software do you use?

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Ishpuini wrote:

I did. The K-5 remained with me longer than any DSLR before it, and I never felt the K-5II(S) offered enough useable new features for me. The K-3 is another beast however, with an impressive list of improvements, although the need to replace the K-5 by a K-3 depends on your requirements of course.

For me, there were at least three requirements that were met by the K-3 that improved it over the K-5:

  • Frame rate for HDR: I often use exposure bracketing for increased dynamic range. However, the slower the burst rate of a camera, the more likely movements between subsequent frames are possible. With the K-3's higher frame rate, even compared to the already pretty fast K-5, the various shots in a bracketed series match up noticeably better when combining them in a HDR/Enfused image.

Do you use in camera HDR mostly, or do you bracket and use something in PP? I like HDR from time to time, but I've never been impressed with what the K-5 or K-3 gives me.

If PP, what software do you use?

I never use in-camera features that deliver a fully cooked image. So I just bracket (5 exposures at two stop intervals) and decide afterwards in PP which images from a bracketed series to include in creating the extended dynamic range image. Since I do all work from Lightroom, I use the LR/Enfuse plug-in to merge the files (unadjusted except lens corrections and WB synchronization). Technically the process doesn't create a real HDR file, but the enfused file is a TIFF with dramatically pushed shadows and recovered highlights. That TIFF file is then subject to processing in Lightroom to give it a similar look as the non-enfused images in a series, so as to have consistency throughout all images I shoot at a same location or of a same subject. For me it's not about the HDR look, it's about having detail everywhere I want detail in an image that looks as natural as possible, and that's what bracketing and the LR/Enfuse plug-in allow me to achieve.

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Bedankt, Wim. I'll definitely give the Enfuse plugin a shot.

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sgtsween wrote:

davids8560 wrote:

Now that the K-3 reviews are in and the K-3 has gotten a Gold Award like the K-5 before it, are you one of the people who has upgraded? Is the K-3 really superior by leaps and bounds?

After trying one Nikon and two Rebel DSLR's, I gotta say I really like my K-5 by far. I dunno. I just like it more.

The only real difficulty it has for me is using it to shoot fast subjects. But I am sure it is due to my configurations and lack of experience. The K-5 is the first DSLR I've really dug into, after years of compacts and super zooms. And even though I have a hankering to try the latest greatest stuff, for once I feel like sticking with what I've got, and attempting to learn it inside out and master it (if possible) before moving on.

Unless you've got lots of experience with both cameras, and really think I should upgrade now.

Thanks.

I held out as I was dead set on full frame next. That said, I couldn't hold out any longer and picked up a K-3 last month. I will say that, yes, it is a huge upgrade from the K-5 in my opinion. I LOVED my K-5, and not even talking about IQ the K-3 is better. Better LCD, better control layout (not a whole lot different, but improved in my opinion.) Better UI even. It always bugged me that you could not quickly delete multiple photos on the K-5, and that is fixed with the K-3. Even the shutter seems quieter if that makes any sense.

You can delete folders and also select multiple files for simultaneous deletion on the K5. It seems pretty quick to me! How does it work on the K3?

Regarding the question in hand, personally I'd say stick with what you have, unless shooting fast moving subjects or AF in low light is really important to you (if you're a birder for example it seems a no-brainer upgrade). From what I've seen and read the K3 is an incremental improvement in almost every department except auto-focus which is significantly better. Image quality is generally improved for sure, but it's not exactly night and day from the K5. At this point it seems to me that unless you really crop quite hard or like peeping pixels you won't notice that much difference.

The next generation of APS-C sensors, one or two years away I presume, will likely have 32 megapixels. That will be more noticeable but still 'only' about a 50% increase in resolution from the K5 era cameras. I say only, of course that is pretty huge if you happen to crop a lot. If on the other hand you are able to get close to your subjects, you fill the frame and don't print very large you're often discarding a bunch of pixels even now with the K5 (downsizing for screen etc.) When 4k screens become popular you'll still have to downsize the images to get them to fit.

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I went from K20D to K5 II and add a Sony A7 FF.

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