Weird, I don't miss my E-30 . . .

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Glen Barrington
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Weird, I don't miss my E-30 . . .
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I'm kind of surprised at that.  It helps that I can use my Zuiko DSLR lenses on the m4/3s body, I guess.  I'd hate to be restricted to the kit lens, which economic circumstances would force on me for the time being.  But so far, I've not felt restricted in any way.

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Re: Weird, I don't miss my E-30 . . .
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The E-30 is a very old DSLR, any/all Micro Four Thirds cameras from the current generation of 16 megapixel sensors should be able to substantially out perform it. Your lenses will work particularly well with cameras such as the GX7 or E-M1 with hybrid PDAF.

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Re: Weird, I don't miss my E-30 . . .
In reply to Glen Barrington, 4 months ago

Glen Barrington wrote:

I'm kind of surprised at that. It helps that I can use my Zuiko DSLR lenses on the m4/3s body, I guess. I'd hate to be restricted to the kit lens, which economic circumstances would force on me for the time being. But so far, I've not felt restricted in any way.

Well, isn't it strange that at the other forum the fought for four full years against m4/3 only to discover that was nothing to fear?

For upholding that I was constantly banned even as a former 4/3 owner. Those people really fought for the pecking order and the social supremacy costly lenses must have conferred them, because their galleries often showed mediocre and very conventional content.

Let bygones be bygones, even if someone should be decent enough to ask forgiving.

Let pets & brats be their damnation.

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Re: Weird, I don't miss my E-30 . . .
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Lumixdude wrote:

The E-30 is a very old DSLR, any/all Micro Four Thirds cameras from the current generation of 16 megapixel sensors should be able to substantially out perform it. Your lenses will work particularly well with cameras such as the GX7 or E-M1 with hybrid PDAF.

E-30 is a fine camera, capable of producing high quality pictures, especially paired with a high grade glass. Compared to my new EM1 it is, of course, less advanced but I loved its ergonomics and control lay-out, its size and balance with large lenses. It is not retiring anytime soon, especially when I intend to shoot landscape.

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amalric wrote:

Glen Barrington wrote:

I'm kind of surprised at that. It helps that I can use my Zuiko DSLR lenses on the m4/3s body, I guess. I'd hate to be restricted to the kit lens, which economic circumstances would force on me for the time being. But so far, I've not felt restricted in any way.

Well, isn't it strange that at the other forum the fought for four full years against m4/3 only to discover that was nothing to fear?

i have been a member of the OTHER forum for a couple of years and I don't remember anyone fighting m4/3 bodies. Some people were (and still) advocating for separation of the formats but inreality, who cares? Why do we always have to find something to fight about?

For upholding that I was constantly banned even as a former 4/3 owner. Those people really fought for the pecking order and the social supremacy costly lenses must have conferred them, because their galleries often showed mediocre and very conventional content.

that is not to say that some galleries here are not fill of mediocre pictures. It isn't the gear that makes the picture but a person who pulls the shutter.

Let bygones be bygones, even if someone should be decent enough to ask forgiving.

Let pets & brats be their damnation.

Am.

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E-30 was a real nice camera - sensor differences are overrated
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Lumixdude wrote:

The E-30 is a very old DSLR, any/all Micro Four Thirds cameras from the current generation of 16 megapixel sensors should be able to substantially out perform it. Your lenses will work particularly well with cameras such as the GX7 or E-M1 with hybrid PDAF.

I still shoot with my e620 despite having moved on to m4/3 kit for most of my use. When I look at images side by side I cant tell which ones are from the e620 and which from the OMD. Really there's a lot less difference in normal use between the two cameras than you would believe just from reading these forums.

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Re: Weird, I don't miss my E-30 . . .
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vadimraskin wrote:

Lumixdude wrote:

The E-30 is a very old DSLR, any/all Micro Four Thirds cameras from the current generation of 16 megapixel sensors should be able to substantially out perform it. Your lenses will work particularly well with cameras such as the GX7 or E-M1 with hybrid PDAF.

E-30 is a fine camera, capable of producing high quality pictures, especially paired with a high grade glass. Compared to my new EM1 it is, of course, less advanced but I loved its ergonomics and control lay-out, its size and balance with large lenses. It is not retiring anytime soon, especially when I intend to shoot landscape.

I just uploaded to a Stock site landscape pictures from the E-620 that I still find remarkable today.

The main trouble with that class of cameras is that they had a high AA filter. 12 Mpx in fact is still enough, but the increase of resolution in 16 Mpx is visible, because Olympus changed tack - or Sony's tech is so outstanding?

m4/3 is the final demonstration that small sensor with outstanding lenses can work as the new standard. Leica T in a way says just that.

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Lumixdude wrote:

The E-30 is a very old DSLR, any/all Micro Four Thirds cameras from the current generation of 16 megapixel sensors should be able to substantially out perform it. Your lenses will work particularly well with cameras such as the GX7 or E-M1 with hybrid PDAF.

Are you sure about that? I have never read anywhere that the GX7 has hybrid CDAF/PDAF. As far as I know, the E-M1 is the only Micro Four Thirds camera on the market with that feature.

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Re: Weird, I don't miss my E-30 . . .
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Lumixdude wrote:

The E-30 is a very old DSLR, any/all Micro Four Thirds cameras from the current generation of 16 megapixel sensors should be able to substantially out perform it. Your lenses will work particularly well with cameras such as the GX7 or E-M1 with hybrid PDAF.

Have you ever used an E-30? I don't think you'd say that if you ever have.

In the hands of a halfway decent photographer, the IQ is superb, and the ergonomics (for a DSLR) was very good. In terms of image quality, it holds its own against the E-M10. And other than the obvious differences between 12 mp compared to 16 mp, if you compare the quality of the kit lenses, the E30 wins THAT! The telecentric nature of the Zuiko DSLR lenses, by their very nature of design is going to offer up a higher IQ, though at the cost of size.

The size constraint is both m4/3s strength and weakness, IMO, which is why m4/3s will always be something people argue over. m4/3s will never be the universal default choice in cameras the way Canon has been. People need to think about what they want and need before they buy into m4/3s.

The point of my post was that as a DSLR holdout, I've not LOST anything by going to the mirrorless format. and my DSLR lenses work very well with my E-M10 BTW! That's a good thing!

Edit: AS far as high ISO noise goes, both still kind of suck.  Granted my E-M10 sucks a little bit less, but it isn't anything to brag about either.  That really doesn't concern me since I rarely shoot at high ISO anyway!

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But if you shoot raw, the differences are HUGE.  How do I know?  Well, I still have and play with the raw files from my E-3 and E-5, which fall apart rapidly when I try to adjust exposure.  Let's not even talk 1600 ISO and greater IQ or highlight recovery (assuming it wasn't blown out to begin with.  Enjoy your E-30 and jpegs.  Maybe you even still enjoy taking the horse and buggy down to the crick to get some water to shave with.

Me and many, many others recognize the advantages of the new sensors and have moved on.

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In reply to vadimraskin, 4 months ago

It's why I quit going there.  Too many uppity ups looking down on m43.  Amalric is not making up or imagining things.

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Just more skilled at getting it right?
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But if you shoot raw, the differences are HUGE. How do I know? Well, I still have and play with the raw files from my E-3 and E-5, which fall apart rapidly when I try to adjust exposure. Let's not even talk 1600 ISO and greater IQ or highlight recovery (assuming it wasn't blown out to begin with. Enjoy your E-30 and jpegs. Maybe you even still enjoy taking the horse and buggy down to the crick to get some water to shave with.

Me and many, many others recognize the advantages of the new sensors and have moved on.

Or perhaps I'm just better at getting it right in the camera and not having to do gross post production with the RAW files.

Who knows?

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dpalugyay wrote:

But if you shoot raw, the differences are HUGE. How do I know? Well, I still have and play with the raw files from my E-3 and E-5, which fall apart rapidly when I try to adjust exposure. Let's not even talk 1600 ISO and greater IQ or highlight recovery (assuming it wasn't blown out to begin with. Enjoy your E-30 and jpegs. Maybe you even still enjoy taking the horse and buggy down to the crick to get some water to shave with.

I assume these sentiments apply to my E-5 as well.  Well, I don't at all share your experience of raw files "falling apart" when I try to adjust exposure.  And I can shoot at ISO 1600 or even ISO 2500 all day long if I want to with only a smidgeon of detail loss.

I think that what you've posted about your E-3 and E-5 experiences has much more to do with operator error or processing mistakes than anything else.

This isn't to say that I think the E-5 or E-3 or any of the older Olympus digital products are as good as or better than the current crop.  I've just ordered an E-PM2 because I need that kind of small, easy camera in my kit.  I have little doubt I'll see somewhat better imaging with the E-PM2 due to the improved 16MP sensor and other factors.  But the differences will not be huge in any "game-changer" fashion.  My E-5 will still turn out very high quality images no matter when else may come along in the future.

We have reached the point of diminishing returns.  Still, having said that, I remain amazed at what $500 can buy today in the way of IQ compared to just a few years ago.

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ristar wrote:

Lumixdude wrote:

The E-30 is a very old DSLR, any/all Micro Four Thirds cameras from the current generation of 16 megapixel sensors should be able to substantially out perform it. Your lenses will work particularly well with cameras such as the GX7 or E-M1 with hybrid PDAF.

Are you sure about that? I have never read anywhere that the GX7 has hybrid CDAF/PDAF. As far as I know, the E-M1 is the only Micro Four Thirds camera on the market with that feature.

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linux99 wrote:

dpalugyay wrote:

But if you shoot raw, the differences are HUGE. How do I know? Well, I still have and play with the raw files from my E-3 and E-5, which fall apart rapidly when I try to adjust exposure. Let's not even talk 1600 ISO and greater IQ or highlight recovery (assuming it wasn't blown out to begin with. Enjoy your E-30 and jpegs. Maybe you even still enjoy taking the horse and buggy down to the crick to get some water to shave with.

Me and many, many others recognize the advantages of the new sensors and have moved on.

Or perhaps I'm just better at getting it right in the camera and not having to do gross post production with the RAW files.

Who knows?

Olympus, being and old, old hand has always had extremely good auto exposure. Because of the lacking DR of the old sensors up to 12 Mpx, they did underexpose however to protect highlights.

This is much less needed with the 16 Mpx sensor which has remarkable DR, therefore I decided to shoot only Jpeg. I think they bet this will be the future with the younger generation, that they shoot what they directly see, or communicate their emotions with Art Filters.

Personally I am all for great restraint, but one learns only trough mistakes

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Glen Barrington wrote:

I'm kind of surprised at that. It helps that I can use my Zuiko DSLR lenses on the m4/3s body, I guess. I'd hate to be restricted to the kit lens, which economic circumstances would force on me for the time being. But so far, I've not felt restricted in any way.

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E-30 remains a very good camera, but the OM-Ds have a lot more tricks up their sleeves. Until 1/8000 shutters there was a good reason to keep using the E bodies and even now the focus response is still faster. I'll try shooting sports with the E-M1 and we'll see.

No complaints about the E-30 from me, even now.

Cheers

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dpalugyay wrote:

It's why I quit going there. Too many uppity ups looking down on m43. Amalric is not making up or imagining things.

I agree. The assumed superiority was almost laughable. I post there at times now that OM-Ds are "allowed" as subject matter, but a whiff of condescension lingers.

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I never shoot jpeg.  The other half of the fun for me is the processing.  I find it very relaxing and enjoyable, especially in the cold winters when it's gray and -10 F outside.

You shouldn't ASSume so much, it makes you appear foolish.

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dpalugyay wrote:

I never shoot jpeg. The other half of the fun for me is the processing. I find it very relaxing and enjoyable, especially in the cold winters when it's gray and -10 F outside.

You shouldn't ASSume so much, it makes you appear foolish.

I take your word for it as being more experienced at looking foolish than I.

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Re: Weird, I don't miss my E-30 . . .
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Here are 3 different shots of the same subject: e30 + sg lens, em1 + hg or shg lens (can't remember), and epl1 + hg lens.  Make your own comparisons.

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