a6000: which lens to buy (kit or 16-70)

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AKman
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a6000: which lens to buy (kit or 16-70)
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I decided to get the a6000 to be my "carry everywhere" and travel camera. But I need to get a better understanding of the 2 lenses that I have options of.

The kit lens is a 16-50mm E-Mount Lens, and there is another, more expensive kit that has the Vario-Tessar T* E 16-70mm F4 ZA OSS Lens. And there is always the kit that has both.

So should I get the 16-50, 16-70 or both. What are the pros and cons of each?

This is what I tend to shoot, if that helps:

- HDR (mostly nature, buildings, etc.)

- Fast moving kids

- Street photography

- General life documentation

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definitely 16-70 for the higher IQ

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I own the 16-50 and also the Zeiss 24mm. Have also owned the 18-55 with my 5N (sold). Very much considering to get the 16-70 because I'm in the process of moving from SLR to the A6000 as my main camera system.

How much better is the 16-70 optically compared to the 16-50? Of course it'll be a lot better, but I wonder in what areas specifically. My 16-50 is only decently sharp in the center and the distortion and vignetting is well documented. Can't seem to find much info about the 16-70 though, let alone a direct comparison with the 16-50.

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The only on line reviews I have seen of the two lenses was on ephotozine, but they were tested at different times on two different bodies and many of the test images are not identical so it is difficult to compare scientifically.  On the photos of the conservatory building, it appears that the edge sharpness of the 16-70 is far superior to that of the 16-50 despite the bar graphs not indicating that great a difference.  If I were buying the A6000, I'd get the 16-70 without hesitation.

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AKman wrote:

I decided to get the a6000 to be my "carry everywhere" and travel camera. But I need to get a better understanding of the 2 lenses that I have options of.

The kit lens is a 16-50mm E-Mount Lens, and there is another, more expensive kit that has the Vario-Tessar T* E 16-70mm F4 ZA OSS Lens. And there is always the kit that has both.

So should I get the 16-50, 16-70 or both. What are the pros and cons of each?

This is what I tend to shoot, if that helps:

- HDR (mostly nature, buildings, etc.)

- Fast moving kids

- Street photography

- General life documentation

Currently, the discounted (US) price of the E1670 ($700) compares negative to the discounted pricing of the E1650 ($150) plus the E35 ($400).

I would get the E1650 plus the E35 for starters. It sounds silly, the but the E35 is a much nicer lens to use indoors and in low light.

Unless you shoot a lot at 60mm and f/4, the E1650 covers pretty much the same FOV, and perhaps you lose a stop (at longer FL), but you don't lose much in sharpness, especially if both zooms are used stopped down.

For the price delta, ($150), get a Gariz' case. Or apply it to the E50/OSS (or FE85/OSS when out).

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16-70mm is now available as a kit.
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Today I shot a few samples with the A6000 and 16-50 kit lens. I bought it because of its size and also because I had seen some pretty good images.

To me it is worthwhile for the convenience of sticking it in a pocket and do some casual shooting.

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These are scaled down images, which conceals the good or the bad of the lens.

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Size permitting, the 18-105 F/4 G lens is a nice choice, at around $600.

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123Mike wrote:

These are scaled down images, which conceals the good or the bad of the lens.

Of course man, what do you expect, a 24 MB picture? Read the post. It says casual shooting, not for pixel peepers.

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General life documentation - so birth certificates, drivers licenses, that stuff?

Buy the kit lens and see if you like it. It is very compact and has good IQ assuming you are not a lens snob. It is not the best build quality and is a cheap lens. If you decide you hate it, sell it and you have some very limited options.

B&H is still running the 16-70mm special so that is an option as $700 is as reasonable as you will get for the 16-70mm f4. You can get all three for $1500 if you want the option of the compact kit lens on some occasions.

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Once I got the Zeiss, I don't bother with my kit lens anymore. It is faster to focus to begin with plus it is longer for portraits. Not to mention the awesome color, contrast and bokeh of this lens.

Good luck in whatever decision you make.

Cheers,

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Hans von der Crone wrote:

I own the 16-50 and also the Zeiss 24mm. Have also owned the 18-55 with my 5N (sold). Very much considering to get the 16-70 because I'm in the process of moving from SLR to the A6000 as my main camera system.

How much better is the 16-70 optically compared to the 16-50? Of course it'll be a lot better, but I wonder in what areas specifically. My 16-50 is only decently sharp in the center and the distortion and vignetting is well documented. Can't seem to find much info about the 16-70 though, let alone a direct comparison with the 16-50.

There are very few direct comparisons with the 16-50mm. Here is one of many reviews I find with a quick web search. The 16-70mm is overpriced like most Zeiss, made in Thailand of all the weird Zeiss locations, is made of plastic, and grows. Not the qualities of a $1000 lens but besides me making fun of it, it seems like a good lens despite the oddness.

http://kurtmunger.com/sony_zeiss_16_70mm_f_4id354.html

There are a bunch of reviews most positive like 4 of 5 star.  The kit zoom gets anywhere from 1 of 5 stars to 3.5 of 5 stars.  The reviewers all pan the 16-50mm for having an uncorrected RAW mode even if ALL m4/3 lenses need correction as well as Zeiss.  A lesson to lens makers, hide your RAW native images!

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Currently, the discounted (US) price of the E1670 ($700) compares negative to the discounted pricing of the E1650 ($150) plus the E35 ($400).

Cheers,
Henry

So where can you get a new 16-70 which is not part of a kit for $700?  I've been shopping for months and have not found a new one in the USA for less than the list price of $998.

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123Mike wrote:

These are scaled down images, which conceals the good or the bad of the lens.

Of course man, what do you expect, a 24 MB picture? Read the post. It says casual shooting, not for pixel peepers.

I would not expect someone claiming a lens is good using pictures that don't back your claim.

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José B wrote:

Once I got the Zeiss, I don't bother with my kit lens anymore. It is faster to focus to begin with plus it is longer for portraits. Not to mention the awesome color, contrast and bokeh of this lens.

Good luck in whatever decision you make.

Cheers,

José

Nice shooting!

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José B wrote:

Once I got the Zeiss, I don't bother with my kit lens anymore. It is faster to focus to begin with plus it is longer for portraits. Not to mention the awesome color, contrast and bokeh of this lens.

Good luck in whatever decision you make.

Cheers,

José

Nice shooting!

thanks Steve.

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I have been using the Sony Emount cameras since I picked up a NEX3 several years ago.  quickly purchased the 16-70 when it came available, and LOVE it.  Have the 18-55, and it works well.  So when I went to get the a6000 I figured I would just get the body, but the body wasn't available.  So I picked it up with the 16-50 and it is a fun little lens.  Wow distortion in the few photos I have taken, but easily corrected so that sholdn't be a problem.  But it is so cute, and small and light I figure it will just stay on the camera.  Would I trade it for the 16-70, No.  Am I glad I purchased with the lens,  Yeah.  Would I purchase without the body,  No.

So My take is,  Get it with the kit lens.  If it is enough, great.  If not spring for the 16-70 or the 18-105 depending on the work you do.  But I bet you want to keep it and not get rid of it at the end of the day,  It is just so Cute!  and it does work well.

Good Luck in your search!

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123Mike wrote:

Joachim Wulfers wrote:

123Mike wrote:

These are scaled down images, which conceals the good or the bad of the lens.

Of course man, what do you expect, a 24 MB picture? Read the post. It says casual shooting, not for pixel peepers.

I would not expect someone claiming a lens is good using pictures that don't back your claim.

We had a similar discussion once before regarding the SEL18200. Re-read my post and then get back to me.

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