A camera is just a camera.

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A camera is just a camera.
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First of, I'm not a technical person at all. For that reason I find myself left out in the cold when it comes to debating the pros and cons of the new cameras that are coming out.

I do follow the discussions on this forum with great interest as is the case at this moment with the new G1X MK2. After I decide what will work for me and what I want from a camera I will acquire that said camera.

Following this routine I,m happy to say that I purchased 2 great cameras in the past to learn and work the best I can with the camera. Again I thank this forum community for their advice for my purchases of the SX110 and SX50HS.

A couple of my random SX50 pictures.

In conclusion I like to say once you've decided which camera to buy, run with it and enjoy the features it has.

Cheers,

Rob.

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In reply to Hollander, 7 months ago

Both your S110 and SX50 are excellent cameras.  I've seen very expensive upper end Canon DSLRs in the hands of someone who didn't know anything about photography and lighting and the pictures where just terrible.  However, I can afford thousands and make the best of my SX50 too, though I've had many low end dslrs in the past.  I guess now a days its all about senor size which can capture more detail etc.  In the old days it was about film and lens quality.

But a savy and experienced camera person can make any camera shine and bring out its best potential.

Take your excellent photos for example.  Post more my friend!

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A camera is an artistic tool (or documentary tool, if making a record is the primary thrust of an image) that allows for a very specific way of expressing one's perspective.  In the purest sense of the term, without manipulation that attempts to exaggerate color or brightness for the sake of visual impact or outright alteration, a photograph expresses reality in the purest way humans have as yet found to recreate what they actually see.

That is both the truth and the lie of a photograph:  the assumption of absolute honesty and truth that a photograph affords itself by taking the light presented to a lens and recording it as-is also creates the momentum in the observer's mind leading them to forget everything the photograph changes or omits.  We see an image, it looks real, and suddenly everything within the photograph loses the context of its surroundings without a similar correction taking place in our brains that might lend some balance to that fact.  In other words, the photograph makes us forget the reality in which the subject exists.  That could take the form of light, surroundings, or even sensory input other than visual.

So yeah, a camera is just a means to an end, but it is a very unique way to express oneself artistically.  I tell my friends that I enjoy photography because I get to tell lies with the truth.  It isn't only what one sees in the photograph but also what the cultural reputation photographs have that sets them apart from other artwork.  That's why I'm not a huge fan of extreme manipulation, because then you're advertising to people how full of crap you are.

Hollander wrote:

First of, I'm not a technical person at all. For that reason I find myself left out in the cold when it comes to debating the pros and cons of the new cameras that are coming out.

I do follow the discussions on this forum with great interest as is the case at this moment with the new G1X MK2. After I decide what will work for me and what I want from a camera I will acquire that said camera.

Following this routine I,m happy to say that I purchased 2 great cameras in the past to learn and work the best I can with the camera. Again I thank this forum community for their advice for my purchases of the SX110 and SX50HS.

A couple of my random SX50 pictures.

In conclusion I like to say once you've decided which camera to buy, run with it and enjoy the features it has.

Cheers,

Rob.

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Nice... again...

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That's why I'm not a huge fan of extreme manipulation, because then you're advertising to people how full of crap you are.

Howard I don't quite know how to take that view but I think I agree,,,,,,,,,

Rob great photo series,I don't care how much you lie 

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dicklaxt wrote:

howardroark wrote:

That's why I'm not a huge fan of extreme manipulation, because then you're advertising to people how full of crap you are.

Howard I don't quite know how to take that view but I think I agree,,,,,,,,,

Rob great photo series,I don't care how much you lie 

dick

Some people eat that stuff up and maybe they don't realize that it doesn't represent in any way what one might have seen with their own eyes.  There are limitations of cameras that might need a little help in post, but there comes a point where a photograph because something other than a photograph.

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howardroark wrote:

dicklaxt wrote:

howardroark wrote:

That's why I'm not a huge fan of extreme manipulation, because then you're advertising to people how full of crap you are.

Howard I don't quite know how to take that view but I think I agree,,,,,,,,,

Rob great photo series,I don't care how much you lie

dick

Some people eat that stuff up and maybe they don't realize that it doesn't represent in any way what one might have seen with their own eyes. There are limitations of cameras that might need a little help in post, but there comes a point where a photograph because something other than a photograph.

Howard are you simply saying not to over process? If so I agree,If not then I'm lost.

dick

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Very nice pictures Rob, #1 I enjoyed most, the setting is absolutely mindblowing!

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Hollander wrote:

First of, I'm not a technical person at all. For that reason I find myself left out in the cold when it comes to debating the pros and cons of the new cameras that are coming out.

I am a technical person but I also could not be bothered arguing about minutiae.

I do follow the discussions on this forum with great interest as is the case at this moment with the new G1X MK2. After I decide what will work for me and what I want from a camera I will acquire that said camera.

Likewise.

Following this routine I,m happy to say that I purchased 2 great cameras in the past to learn and work the best I can with the camera. Again I thank this forum community for their advice for my purchases of the SX110 and SX50HS.

The SX50 appears by yours and other's examples to be an excellent model.

A couple of my random SX50 pictures.

As usual a great set of photos.

In conclusion I like to say once you've decided which camera to buy, run with it and enjoy the features it has.

That sure beats discarding it immediately for the next camera released.

Brian

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Bodhi-U wrote:

Both your S110 and SX50 are excellent cameras. I've seen very expensive upper end Canon DSLRs in the hands of someone who didn't know anything about photography and lighting and the pictures where just terrible. However, I can afford thousands and make the best of my SX50 too, though I've had many low end dslrs in the past. I guess now a days its all about senor size which can capture more detail etc. In the old days it was about film and lens quality.

But a savy and experienced camera person can make any camera shine and bring out its best potential.

Take your excellent photos for example. Post more my friend!

Thank you so much for your view Bodhi-U. I have to admit that since I bought the SX50 it has given me so much pleasure and is so much fun to use and sadly I haven't used my other cameras at all.

Cheers,

Rob.

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In reply to Hollander, 7 months ago

Hollander wrote:

First of, I'm not a technical person at all. For that reason I find myself left out in the cold when it comes to debating the pros and cons of the new cameras that are coming out.

I do follow the discussions on this forum with great interest as is the case at this moment with the new G1X MK2. After I decide what will work for me and what I want from a camera I will acquire that said camera.

Following this routine I,m happy to say that I purchased 2 great cameras in the past to learn and work the best I can with the camera. Again I thank this forum community for their advice for my purchases of the SX110 and SX50HS.

A couple of my random SX50 pictures.

In conclusion I like to say once you've decided which camera to buy, run with it and enjoy the features it has.

Cheers,

Rob.

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Hey Rob, this is a great post! I fully agree with your message. I've had my camera for almost a year now a feel I have a lot more to learn about it before I move on the the next best thing.

I really enjoyed all of your shots in this post but the landscape and hawk are my favorites.

I would love to see more of the BC countryside from you. It is an amazing and beautiful pace. I'll bet you could get some gorgeous forest photos.

The hawk is absolutely stunning...what more can I say except I would be proud of it I it were mine.

Thanks for sharing these.

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Excellent series! Some stunningly beautiful images.

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howardroark wrote:

A camera is an artistic tool (or documentary tool, if making a record is the primary thrust of an image) that allows for a very specific way of expressing one's perspective. In the purest sense of the term, without manipulation that attempts to exaggerate color or brightness for the sake of visual impact or outright alteration, a photograph expresses reality in the purest way humans have as yet found to recreate what they actually see.

Howard I think I know where you're going and what you try to say, but we're just talking about photography as a hobby.

That is both the truth and the lie of a photograph: the assumption of absolute honesty and truth that a photograph affords itself by taking the light presented to a lens and recording it as-is also creates the momentum in the observer's mind leading them to forget everything the photograph changes or omits. We see an image, it looks real, and suddenly everything within the photograph loses the context of its surroundings without a similar correction taking place in our brains that might lend some balance to that fact. In other words, the photograph makes us forget the reality in which the subject exists. That could take the form of light, surroundings, or even sensory input other than visual.

For me a photograph is a reminder of how beautiful the person, animal or scenery was and if I alter it some through PP to make it look better, that would make me even happier. Everybody has a different viewpoint as how they see a picture. I would never criticize a person for their excessive PP if that's what they like.

So yeah, a camera is just a means to an end, but it is a very unique way to express oneself artistically. I tell my friends that I enjoy photography because I get to tell lies with the truth.

No guilt on my part when I tell my friends I like photography as they all know how much I like it.

It isn't only what one sees in the photograph but also what the cultural reputation photographs have that sets them apart from other artwork. That's why I'm not a huge fan of extreme manipulation,

Yet we're very happy to pay for a wedding photographer at our childrens wedding ceremony and I don't think the pictures he give us are SOOC.

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because then you're advertising to people how full of crap you are.

I think you're out of line here Howard;

Now this picture is heavy manipulated, it gave me great pleasure to do this and I like it. So does that mean I'm full of crap.

BTW all my images are shot in RAW and processed in CS6 and with minimal PP ( no more than 90 sec.), as I have learned how to get the most out of the SX50 and still learning.

I do thank you for your comments and personal view.

Cheers,

Rob.

Hollander wrote:

First of, I'm not a technical person at all. For that reason I find myself left out in the cold when it comes to debating the pros and cons of the new cameras that are coming out.

I do follow the discussions on this forum with great interest as is the case at this moment with the new G1X MK2. After I decide what will work for me and what I want from a camera I will acquire that said camera.

Following this routine I,m happy to say that I purchased 2 great cameras in the past to learn and work the best I can with the camera. Again I thank this forum community for their advice for my purchases of the SX110 and SX50HS.

A couple of my random SX50 pictures.

In conclusion I like to say once you've decided which camera to buy, run with it and enjoy the features it has.

Cheers,

Rob.

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Nice... again...

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Thank you Mark for looking and your comment.

Cheers,

Rob.

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dicklaxt wrote:

howardroark wrote:

That's why I'm not a huge fan of extreme manipulation, because then you're advertising to people how full of crap you are.

Howard I don't quite know how to take that view but I think I agree,,,,,,,,,

Rob great photo series,I don't care how much you lie

dick

Thanks a lot Dick for your comment and no guilt on my part  

Cheers,

Rob.

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First of all: WOW! The first landscape took my breath away as I almost feel the fresh air of the BC mountains ! The water lily is a famous shot of you since the time you wanted it printed; I'm sorry I have to confess when someone asked about printing SX50 shots, I didn't take time to search for it

The rest of the images are just as good as the two mentioned above Congratulations!

I didn't have SX110, but I still keep an SX210 operating: the only drawback I find to that otherwise excellent camera is being like "a soap bar", without any grip at all.

I remember sometime ago I started a thread saying I'm not interested as an amateur in top expensive cameras, because the difference in IQ is not overwhelming, at least for me. I'm sorry to say I was bashed for it

In conclusion thank you, Rob, for your outstanding images!

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Bodhi-U wrote:

Both your S110 and SX50 are excellent cameras. I've seen very expensive upper end Canon DSLRs in the hands of someone who didn't know anything about photography and lighting and the pictures where just terrible. However, I can afford thousands and make the best of my SX50 too, though I've had many low end dslrs in the past. I guess now a days its all about senor size which can capture more detail etc. In the old days it was about film and lens quality.

But a savy and experienced camera person can make any camera shine and bring out its best potential.

Take your excellent photos for example. Post more my friend!

As someone said here (free citation): "I saw excellent images taken with ELPH 330 and miserable ones taken with a top DSRL".

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Augustin Man wrote:

I remember sometime ago I started a thread saying I'm not interested as an amateur in top expensive cameras, because the difference in IQ is not overwhelming, at least for me. I'm sorry to say I was bashed for it

I'm saying that all the time, and getting bashed also.

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Bodhi-U wrote:

Both your S110 and SX50 are excellent cameras. I've seen very expensive upper end Canon DSLRs in the hands of someone who didn't know anything about photography and lighting and the pictures where just terrible. However, I can afford thousands and make the best of my SX50 too, though I've had many low end dslrs in the past. I guess now a days its all about senor size which can capture more detail etc. In the old days it was about film and lens quality.

But a savy and experienced camera person can make any camera shine and bring out its best potential.

Take your excellent photos for example. Post more my friend!

As someone said here (free citation): "I saw excellent images taken with ELPH 330 and miserable ones taken with a top DSRL".

I think he got bashed somewhere in that lost thread also.

Brian

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brianj wrote:

Hollander wrote:

First of, I'm not a technical person at all. For that reason I find myself left out in the cold when it comes to debating the pros and cons of the new cameras that are coming out.

I am a technical person but I also could not be bothered arguing about minutiae.

I do follow the discussions on this forum with great interest as is the case at this moment with the new G1X MK2. After I decide what will work for me and what I want from a camera I will acquire that said camera.

Likewise.

Following this routine I,m happy to say that I purchased 2 great cameras in the past to learn and work the best I can with the camera. Again I thank this forum community for their advice for my purchases of the SX110 and SX50HS.

The SX50 appears by yours and other's examples to be an excellent model.

A couple of my random SX50 pictures.

As usual a great set of photos.

In conclusion I like to say once you've decided which camera to buy, run with it and enjoy the features it has.

That sure beats discarding it immediately for the next camera released.

Brian

Thank you so much Brian for your comment and input. We sure think alike not only in our choice of cameras but in photography as a whole. Thanks again.

Cheers,

Rob.

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