SL1 vs EOS M for my daughter

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GadgetNeil
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SL1 vs EOS M for my daughter
5 months ago

I wonder what views there are on this:

I have a Canon 60D and several lenses (ultrawide angle, macro, zoom telephoto, lensbaby), and I do photography purely as a hobby.  My daughter just graduated from university, and when asked if there was something she would like as a graduation present, she said "an SLR camera".  She has a point and shoot, but has played with my camera, and would like the creative options of an SLR, probably when she is traveling, or for general use.

She is petite, with small hands, so I was thinking that the SL1 would be great for her, and if she had a Canon dSLR, we can share lenses.  But then she asked about mirrorless cameras, and I gather the EOS M has a similar APS-C sensor, so would give her similar picture quality, and the controls of an SLR.  Any thoughts on the benefits of the SL1 vs the EOS M?  Or for that matter, it looks like the T5i is similar in cost to the SL1, so is it a better option?

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In reply to GadgetNeil, 5 months ago

I would say, don't try to choose by comparing specifications or asking for opinions - take her to a shop and let her try all three. Her hands will give you an answer better than any other.

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I really like the M in combination with a DSLR. If I was going to have mirrorless only I would look for something with faster focus.

One of my favorite attributes of the M is the 22 prime, the SL1 with the 40 is small also but not as useful of a focal length.

SL1 with the 18-35 is amazingly capable in a small package. T5i with the 18-135 would be better in a lot of ways but as WilbaW says, the fit in hand is important. If she likes the fit and controls of the M, just keep in mind the speed sacrifices that come with it.

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In reply to GadgetNeil, 5 months ago

I'm not knocking the EOS M, but it just wasn't the camera for me.

Too small for my hands, lack of OVF, and slow AF speed were the things I didn't like. I'm considering buying the SL1, but I'm also looking into the Sony A6000 & 16-70 combo.

I agree with WilbaW, take her to a camera store so she can try out the cameras.

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It depends upon budget as well fit. The sl1 is a good and tiny dslr, the m would need an adaptor to fit ef lenses. If I were too go mirrorless I would probably look elsewhere depending upon the budget.

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In reply to GadgetNeil, 5 months ago

Anyone can handle SL1 and the possibility to share lenses is invaluable, if it is also her wish.

She can keep her P&S as an even more portable camera.

On the other side, IMO there are better mirrorless cameras than EOS M and I don't see much advantage to insist on Canon. Olympus and Panasonic has excellent Micro 4/3 (MFT) cameras and there are also APS-C cameras on the market (Sony etc..}

A lot of them has the manual DSLR-like setting options and the image quality is great, way from P&S.

Just make clear, if she's happy to shoot by using screen or insists on viewfinder , (like me).

Additionally, Canon has excellent fixed zoom lens cameras with very similar handling like their DLSRs.

The most important aspect is her perception and wish, let prepare both variants ?

Definitely I would take her into the shop, but not unprepared, or she might choose by color (and thus Nikon)

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In reply to GadgetNeil, 5 months ago

I have a 100D (SL1) and specifically chose it over an M. For me, the absence of any kind of viewfinder at all ruled out the M completely - I simply cannot take a decent picture with the camera held out at arms-length so I can see the rear screen. The fact that I have to wear glasses for close vision, and therefore don't normally wear them when I have my camera in my hand (because I'm looking through the VF at distance objects) just compounded things.

But your daughter might be different - younger eyes, more used to that sort of photography....

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totleytom wrote:

I have a 100D (SL1) and specifically chose it over an M. For me, the absence of any kind of viewfinder at all ruled out the M completely - I simply cannot take a decent picture with the camera held out at arms-length so I can see the rear screen. The fact that I have to wear glasses for close vision, and therefore don't normally wear them when I have my camera in my hand (because I'm looking through the VF at distance objects) just compounded things.

Exactly me :-))))

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I have both the SL1 and the EOSM.
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GadgetNeil wrote:

I wonder what views there are on this:

I have a Canon 60D and several lenses (ultrawide angle, macro, zoom telephoto, lensbaby), and I do photography purely as a hobby. My daughter just graduated from university, and when asked if there was something she would like as a graduation present, she said "an SLR camera". She has a point and shoot, but has played with my camera, and would like the creative options of an SLR, probably when she is traveling, or for general use.

She is petite, with small hands, so I was thinking that the SL1 would be great for her, and if she had a Canon dSLR, we can share lenses. But then she asked about mirrorless cameras, and I gather the EOS M has a similar APS-C sensor, so would give her similar picture quality, and the controls of an SLR. Any thoughts on the benefits of the SL1 vs the EOS M? Or for that matter, it looks like the T5i is similar in cost to the SL1, so is it a better option?

IQ wise I have to give a very slight edge to the SL1 based on my experience using them for artifact documentation and copy work at my museum job using the same lenses on both with a tripod and copystand.

Though I really like the EOSM and still use it as my "pocket" travel camera with the 22mm, I think the SL1 is a more complete photographic tool. BTW, swapping EF lenses to the EOSM would require the lens adapter.

I haven't tried the T5I so I have no opinion about its IQ but I wouldn't mind having the tilt screen.

I just noticed that the SL1 body is $449 at a local shop using a $150 Canon instant rebate until May 24.

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guinness2 wrote:

totleytom wrote:

I have a 100D (SL1) and specifically chose it over an M. For me, the absence of any kind of viewfinder at all ruled out the M completely - I simply cannot take a decent picture with the camera held out at arms-length so I can see the rear screen. The fact that I have to wear glasses for close vision, and therefore don't normally wear them when I have my camera in my hand (because I'm looking through the VF at distance objects) just compounded things.

Exactly me :-))))

I have the M and the SL1. The M is a nice camera, but I find it useful only indoors with a flash on it. I will never again buy a camera w/o an OVF or EVF. Your daughter may think she doesn't "need" an OVF but she would learn to love it. Between the two cameras, the SL1 would seem to be a better choice. She might also want to consider the T5i, slightly larger but the articulated screen would be nice and it would be more comfortable with larger lenses, I'd think.

Congratulations on encouraging your daughter's interest in a hobby she can enjoy the rest of her life!

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While looking into a plan by a grandfather to buy a camera for his grandaughter I went to a camera store yesterday and asked a clerk what she thought.

She looked as if she was a recent college grad,

Her reaction:

If there are family / friends lenses available, buy a body that works with them.

When already-owned lenses are not involved, the mirrorless bodies are small and light and very popular. She took one off the shelf to show me.

Her suggestion, and mine; take the girl to the store with your credit card.

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I would ASK your DAUGHTER....does she even WANT a DSLR SIZE?
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Neil DSLR size doesn't bother most Men in their 30s~70s

But ask any teenagers and young adults: they do not want to look like a Photo GEEK

Its a Social Suicide, and it doesn't post to Instagam directly.  DSLR are toys for middle-age men.  Unfortunately, anything wear or used by middle-age men are NOT COOL, so

Instead of spending good money, I would simply ASK HER FIRST!

But if it were me, I go for the SL1.  Small Size + Expansion-ability.  M is a half/hearted effort by Canon.... and I'm saying this as a M owner.

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From the original post >when asked if there was something she would like as a graduation present, she said "an SLR camera". She has a point and shoot, but has played with my camera, and would like the creative options of an SLR,<

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GadgetNeil wrote:

I wonder what views there are on this:

I have a Canon 60D and several lenses (ultrawide angle, macro, zoom telephoto, lensbaby), and I do photography purely as a hobby. My daughter just graduated from university, and when asked if there was something she would like as a graduation present, she said "an SLR camera". She has a point and shoot, but has played with my camera, and would like the creative options of an SLR, probably when she is traveling, or for general use.

She is petite, with small hands, so I was thinking that the SL1 would be great for her, and if she had a Canon dSLR, we can share lenses. But then she asked about mirrorless cameras, and I gather the EOS M has a similar APS-C sensor, so would give her similar picture quality, and the controls of an SLR. Any thoughts on the benefits of the SL1 vs the EOS M? Or for that matter, it looks like the T5i is similar in cost to the SL1, so is it a better option?

Given she is of the new generation, what is her preference/propensity for a touch screen?

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In reply to GadgetNeil, 5 months ago

First, my vote is for the SL1. I went through something similar earlier this month. My wife finally decided that she is interested in photography and wanted her own camera. I have a Panasonic ZS7 and FZ200 and Canon S5IS, 10D and new SL1. We went to the local B&N and found an excellent book on beginner DSLR photography. She read it while playing with my S5IS for a week and then we went to the local BB to look at various cameras and also read reviews on DPR. She decided that she wanted something like the Canon G16. After more investigation, we got her the Olympus XZ-2 when it was $299 and she is very happy with it. I think using a method like this is the way to choose a camera for her.

If it were not for Canon lens commonality with you, I might suggest a Pany or Oly mirrorless with EVF. But between the SL1 and M I think the SL1 is the way to go. I'm very happy with mine.

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EOSM and SL1 both have touchsecreens
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enemjii wrote:

Given she is of the new generation, what is her preference/propensity for a touch screen?

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In reply to GadgetNeil, 5 months ago

Some pix from the M to thicken the plot...the first one would not be possible with the SL100 for it is at 11mm with IS.

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Abu Mahendra wrote:

Some pix from the M to thicken the plot...the first one would not be possible with the SL100 for it is at 11mm with IS.

The 11-22mm f4-5.6 EOSM lens isn't available here, but the EF-S 10-22mm f3.5-4.5 fits right on the SL1 (and the EOSM with the adapter).

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In reply to GadgetNeil, 5 months ago

Agree that she needs to play with the cameras, since the handling, operation, and ergo are so much different between them.

However she also needs to be made aware of the relative strengths and weaknesses amongst those cameras (something that only shooting for extended periods, or other users' experiences will bring out).

My own personal view is that the SL1 and EOS M would make great "second" cameras.  However the much greater capabilities of a true DSLR give it the nod as a "primary" camera.  I'd see what she thinks of the T5i.

Best of luck,

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hello gadgetneil

take a look at the sony RX10...

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53577657

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