Why does the forum shoot the em-1 and not gx7?

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Why does the forum shoot the em-1 and not gx7?
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These two m4/3 cameras seem like the two heavyweight rivals from Olymponic, yet the forum get 10 times the talk and traffic regarding the em-1. Why?

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These two m4/3 cameras seem like the two heavyweight rivals from Olymponic, yet the forum get 10 times the talk and traffic regarding the em-1. Why?

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Us GX7 guys are out shooting and the EM-1 guys are all talk?:-)

I don't know, but it does seem there are not that many GX7 posters.

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Cane wrote:

These two m4/3 cameras seem like the two heavyweight rivals from Olymponic, yet the forum get 10 times the talk and traffic regarding the em-1. Why?

Oly users like to handicap themselves with lesser equipment to show how good they are?

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Us GX7 guys are out shooting and the EM-1 guys are all talk?:-)

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These two m4/3 cameras seem like the two heavyweight rivals from Olymponic, yet the forum get 10 times the talk and traffic regarding the em-1. Why?

I don't know... I choose GX7 (and GM1) because I entered m43 with a GF1. I like how Panasonic menus are and how it handles. At the time GF1 became an enthusiastics camera. I can imagine that Olympus buyers are brand loyal as well. Perhaps more beginners chose Olympus small cameras then in stead of Panasonic. When you're used to a certain menu system it's easier to buy within that brand I guess. At least to me that is. I don't like Olympus' menus which I tried so I still am a happy Panasonic shooter! To me the GX7 is a great camera. I bought GM1 first and doubted to purchase GX7 as well. I am glad I did. Both are great cameras for different purposes. And together they make a great pair.

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These two m4/3 cameras seem like the two heavyweight rivals from Olymponic, yet the forum get 10 times the talk and traffic regarding the em-1. Why?

Having just bought a GX7 to use alongside my E-M1, I'm not sure either. I love it.

http://forums.steves-digicams.com/panasonic-micro-four-thirds/210844-liking-gx7-7-14mm-f4.html#post1372369

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Cane wrote:

These two m4/3 cameras seem like the two heavyweight rivals from Olymponic, yet the forum get 10 times the talk and traffic regarding the em-1. Why?

I chose the E-M1 over the GX7 for two reasons:

  1. PDAF for sports photography. I wanted to capture my two kids at their sports, they are both coming into their teens, and are performing well in rugby, tag rugby, football, netball, basketball, athletics and skiing! It's proving to be a very wise choice, the focusing rarely lets me down.
  2. Weatherproofing. Although I don't really need it most of the time, when I do, really need it!

As far as ergonomics go. I would have preferred the GX7. My previous camera was an E-PL1 with the tilting VF2. I would prefer the EVF in the corner and tilting, like the GX7, but the other factors were more important to me.

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A very loaded question, but for me easy to answer.... my last overseas trip was to the UK, to took the GX7 and GH3, used both most of the time with 7-14mm on the GX7 and 12-35mm on the GH3.  A very enjoyable experience, with just too many keepers... not a bad problem to have.

So, sold the GH3 with the plan to get the GH4 when it arrives as I have pre-ordered one.  While waiting, I picked up an E-M1 as the sales person was so enthusiastic about it, and as you say the majority of posters on this site seem to be talking about it....4 days of Easter to learn and test the E-M1 I thought... 175 images and a lot of learning, programming, set up tweaks, reading on how best t set up for best results.. etc etc.  Now I know why, it is easier to talk about it than use it, IMHO.....

A great camera for sure, but a little too retro for my tastes, too few programmable buttons, and the menu setup is quite daunting.  Likely if I had started with an Olympus I could live with it, but have used several of the Panasonic G cameras, they are a lot easier to set up, and use!!

When I asked a few E-M1 users how to set up a button for the the 4 Myset's, which on a Panasonic are the C1, C2, C3,4 and 5, it was suggested that you can give up one of the Fn buttons for EACH of the 4 Mysets, or use the P,A,S,M or any of the Mode selector options????

The 5 axis Stabilization is brilliant, the JPG colour tones are nice, but other than that, the IQ is so close as to not matter between the two brands, and the ergonomics and feel in the hand is the deal breaker for me.. of course YMMV, and IMHO and all other Subjectivity Cliche's and acronyms...

Sorry Oly people, the E-M1 is a truly brilliant and amazing camera, but so is the GH3, and I hope the GH4.  I am sure now that the E-M1 users can get as much enjoyment from their cameras that I do with my GX7 and GH3 or 4.

Thanks for the chance to answer so many questions....

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Cane wrote:

These two m4/3 cameras seem like the two heavyweight rivals from Olymponic, yet the forum get 10 times the talk and traffic regarding the em-1. Why?

An interesting point. Olympus cameras in general account for more talk on the forum than Panasonic cameras. I rather doubt that differences in the number of sales can account for this, but I haven't seen the figures.

My own guess is that there are a lot more photographers emotionally attached to Olympus than there are to Panasonic. The reasons for this are largely historical: Olympus made film cameras that were well loved and they acquired a dedicated band of followers soon after the introduction of the first Olympus SLR in the 1970s.

My impression is that some (many?) current contributors to this forum have also used Olympus film cameras before they switched to digital. On the other hand, Panasonic never made film cameras as far as I am aware and have only been making digital ILCs for about 5 years (?), much less time to acquire a dedicated following.

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Shooters who are bringing their Olympus 4/3 lenses over need the E-M1 to make them work well, so perhaps the sales are much higher?

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I chose the GX7 over EM1/5 for two main reasons.

1.) Silent shutter. Being able to shoot tens of thousands of shots without putting wear on my shutter is great, plus being able to take a shot without distracting family and friends is priceless.

2.) Video. Low light video isn't as needy as stills, because video can usually make due with slower SS and not have issues. Because of this, i don't necesarilly need super fast lenses (like my 20 F1.7) for video. This means i can use a stabilized lens that is a bit slower and still be happy. To me, the superior video IQ is more important than Olympus IBIS for video.

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Matix wrote:

A great camera for sure, but a little too retro for my tastes, too few programmable buttons,

http://matix.zenfolio.com

LOL.

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Matix wrote:

A great camera for sure, but a little too retro for my tastes, too few programmable buttons,

http://matix.zenfolio.com

LOL.

Thanks for sharing. he provided some resoning. you just tolling.

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My own guess is that there are a lot more photographers emotionally attached to Olympus than there are to Panasonic. The reasons for this are largely historical: Olympus made film cameras that were well loved and they acquired a dedicated band of followers soon after the introduction of the first Olympus SLR in the 1970s.

+1. Emptional attachment to Olympus is visible in many posts or threads. Now, I wonder where would Olympus be if not panasonic bringing quality lens (20mm, F2.8 zooms, leicas )and fast AF (very good since GH1) when Olympus was iterating their slow pens (P1, P2 anyone?) with slow kit zooms. however emotinally charged people like to talk so they do.

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ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Matix wrote:

A great camera for sure, but a little too retro for my tastes, too few programmable buttons,

http://matix.zenfolio.com

LOL.

Thanks for sharing. he provided some resoning. you just tolling.

Someone claiming Olympus cameras have "too few programmable buttons" isn't reasonable.

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arbuz wrote:

ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Matix wrote:

A great camera for sure, but a little too retro for my tastes, too few programmable buttons,

http://matix.zenfolio.com

LOL.

Thanks for sharing. he provided some resoning. you just tolling.

Someone claiming Olympus cameras have "too few programmable buttons" isn't reasonable.

He said panasonic G series has more and that's what he used to. If it his true then he is entitled to has his preferences. He also mentioned GH3 custom modes C1/2/3 which is clearly very good functionality, which should not be dismissed by "LOL".

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I would guess that Panasonic has too many enthusiast labeled cameras on the market which are not top-notch and drag the brand down a bit. At least for me (apart from the GH series) the GX7 was the first to wow me. Maybe buyers carry impressions of all the bleak GF iterations when looking at the GX7. Oly outputs less m43 cameras but each one reeks of craftsmanship and delivers adequate results.

Add to that, a lot of shooters want something big or traditional enough in their hands to make an impression on folks around them  So the Em-1 wins there.

Seriously though, I think the tilting viewfinder on the GX7 is one serious put-off. It extends a bit and looks like it could get beaten up by your midriff, and I assume most shooter realize they won't be using the tilt function much since the screen also tilts.

Samsung did the same with their new NX-30. It's a put-off, and a bit of a gimmic that only adds more joints that will allow dust to enter the viewfinder.

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Cane wrote:

These two m4/3 cameras seem like the two heavyweight rivals from Olymponic, yet the forum get 10 times the talk and traffic regarding the em-1. Why?

I chose the E-M1 over the GX7 for two reasons:

  1. PDAF for sports photography. I wanted to capture my two kids at their sports, they are both coming into their teens, and are performing well in rugby, tag rugby, football, netball, basketball, athletics and skiing! It's proving to be a very wise choice, the focusing rarely lets me down.
  2. Weatherproofing. Although I don't really need it most of the time, when I do, I really need it!

As far as ergonomics go. I would have preferred the GX7. My previous camera was an E-PL1 with the tilting VF2. I would prefer the EVF in the corner and tilting, like the GX7, but the other factors were more important to me.

I must add that there are two cameras I really really want, but will probably buy second hand or at run-out prices.

  1. GX7
  2. GM1

Although neither offers what I decided I need as a single camera body, they both offer something I want in certain circumstances.

I love the feel in hand and the tilting EVF of the GX7. I also like the style of the camera, and for me, it would be the "comfortable travel" camera. As in when I'm staying in hotels rather than tents...

My E-PL1 is now my party camera. I leave it lying around at parties and social events, without the VF mounted, wearing the Panny20/1.7 with a battered UV filter to protect the front lens element. People grab it a lot, including for "selfies" funny shots. Always some gems on it in the morning! The GM1 would be great for this role, as it focuses better, is much smaller, and also much better in low light/high ISO.

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