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I just read the minimum focus distance is nearly 5 feet at the 200mm end and it varies by focal length?  Most other 70-200s I've seen have a constant minimum.  e.g., Canon 70-200 f/4 L IS is about 45 inches regardless of focal length.  It gave me pause on a 1500$ lens I'll just say that.  Anyone else notice (or care).

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Canon 70-200 2.8 is 5ft at 200mm also

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But I was comparing it to the f/4 Canon which is 3 ft 9 inches at 200 and constant.  Is the Canon 2.8 a constant minimum?  I think I'll just get an adapter and the f/4 Canon it is about the same price.  I can get over a foot closer and not have to worry about it.

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Petroglyph wrote:

I just read the minimum focus distance is nearly 5 feet at the 200mm end and it varies by focal length? Most other 70-200s I've seen have a constant minimum. e.g., Canon 70-200 f/4 L IS is about 45 inches regardless of focal length. It gave me pause on a 1500$ lens I'll just say that. Anyone else notice (or care).

The minimum focus distance is 1 meter (3.28 feet). The Canon 70-200 f4L IS minimum focus distance is 1.2 meters (3.94 feet).

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Depends on the usage.  For a telephoto zoom, I'd expect most folks want fast autofocus and ergonomics over close focus.  I'd guess about 95% of the shots I took with my Nikon 70-200 f2.8 were focused at infinity.

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Petroglyph wrote:

I just read the minimum focus distance is nearly 5 feet at the 200mm end and it varies by focal length? Most other 70-200s I've seen have a constant minimum. e.g., Canon 70-200 f/4 L IS is about 45 inches regardless of focal length. It gave me pause on a 1500$ lens I'll just say that. Anyone else notice (or care).

Cheers.

Sorry but I don't see why you're getting hung up over using a telephoto lens at 5 feet?  I mean it's like using a wide-angle lens at 24mm and complaining that it's rubbish at distance shots.

Lens design is always a compromise.

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Petroglyph wrote:

I just read the minimum focus distance is nearly 5 feet at the 200mm end and it varies by focal length? Most other 70-200s I've seen have a constant minimum. e.g., Canon 70-200 f/4 L IS is about 45 inches regardless of focal length. It gave me pause on a 1500$ lens I'll just say that. Anyone else notice (or care).

You must have some photographic idea in mind for this to be important - telephoto macro?

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But I was comparing it to the f/4 Canon which is 3 ft 9 inches at 200 and constant. Is the Canon 2.8 a constant minimum? I think I'll just get an adapter and the f/4 Canon it is about the same price. I can get over a foot closer and not have to worry about it.

Cheers.

If minimum focus distance at 200mm is the ONLY thing you're interested in and it's so important to you that you're willing to give up autofocus for it, why are you even looking at lenses like these?

Get a 180mm macro and be done with it. Faster. Cheaper. Focuses a lot closer.

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Petroglyph wrote:

I just read the minimum focus distance is nearly 5 feet at the 200mm end and it varies by focal length? Most other 70-200s I've seen have a constant minimum. e.g., Canon 70-200 f/4 L IS is about 45 inches regardless of focal length. It gave me pause on a 1500$ lens I'll just say that. Anyone else notice (or care).

Cheers.

I think this lens is more orientated towards sports and portraiture. Close focusing zooms would suffer bad AF. This one is just not made for macro. Even though I would prefer and most likely get the A mount version it's not a deal breaker.

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I just read the minimum focus distance is nearly 5 feet at the 200mm end and it varies by focal length?  Most other 70-200s I've seen have a constant minimum.  e.g., Canon 70-200 f/4 L IS is about 45 inches regardless of focal length.  It gave me pause on a 1500$ lens I'll just say that.  Anyone else notice (or care).

Cheers.

MFD is usually not constant over a zoom range. And 3.3 ft at 200mm is actually quite close. My good old Sony F828 (28-200mm equiv, f/2-2.8), for example, goes to within couple of inches at 28mm equiv (where I do see higher magnification) to about 1m (about the same as 70-200G) at 200mm equiv. Likewise, Sony RX10 allows very similar magnification at both ends (24mm equiv and 200mm equiv) but of course MFD varies, and that makes sense.

I would be more worried with MFD being the same at 200mm as at 70mm.

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Petroglyph wrote:

But I was comparing it to the f/4 Canon which is 3 ft 9 inches at 200 and constant. Is the Canon 2.8 a constant minimum? I think I'll just get an adapter and the f/4 Canon it is about the same price. I can get over a foot closer and not have to worry about it.

Cheers.

If minimum focus distance at 200mm is the ONLY thing you're interested in and it's so important to you that you're willing to give up autofocus for it, why are you even looking at lenses like these?

Get a 180mm macro and be done with it. Faster. Cheaper. Focuses a lot closer.

True, they will probably eventually have a FE version of a 180 macro as well.

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Petroglyph wrote:

I just read the minimum focus distance is nearly 5 feet at the 200mm end and it varies by focal length? Most other 70-200s I've seen have a constant minimum. e.g., Canon 70-200 f/4 L IS is about 45 inches regardless of focal length. It gave me pause on a 1500$ lens I'll just say that. Anyone else notice (or care).

The minimum focus distance is 1 meter (3.28 feet). The Canon 70-200 f4L IS minimum focus distance is 1.2 meters (3.94 feet).

Better check your stats as it varies by focal length and by 200mm it is 59 inches or 5 feet for field purposes.

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Depends on the usage. For a telephoto zoom, I'd expect most folks want fast autofocus and ergonomics over close focus. I'd guess about 95% of the shots I took with my Nikon 70-200 f2.8 were focused at infinity.

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True, but you are probably using your f/2.8 for action type shots and with a fast AF system behind it.  This lens is a 1500$ f/4 built to be light weight so it can be easily carried around - in my opinion.  Zoom is for flexibility, no?  Ability to focus more closely at the tele end is just one more item of flexibility to have.

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Petroglyph wrote:

I just read the minimum focus distance is nearly 5 feet at the 200mm end and it varies by focal length? Most other 70-200s I've seen have a constant minimum. e.g., Canon 70-200 f/4 L IS is about 45 inches regardless of focal length. It gave me pause on a 1500$ lens I'll just say that. Anyone else notice (or care).

Cheers.

I think this lens is more orientated towards sports and portraiture. Close focusing zooms would suffer bad AF. This one is just not made for macro. Even though I would prefer and most likely get the A mount version it's not a deal breaker.

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True,  I agree a good suggestion to look at the A mount version for the type shooting this lens might be intended for.  The A mount is also a stop faster?

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I just read the minimum focus distance is nearly 5 feet at the 200mm end and it varies by focal length? Most other 70-200s I've seen have a constant minimum. e.g., Canon 70-200 f/4 L IS is about 45 inches regardless of focal length. It gave me pause on a 1500$ lens I'll just say that. Anyone else notice (or care).

Cheers.

MFD is usually not constant over a zoom range. And 3.3 ft at 200mm is actually quite close. My good old Sony F828 (28-200mm equiv, f/2-2.8), for example, goes to within couple of inches at 28mm equiv (where I do see higher magnification) to about 1m (about the same as 70-200G) at 200mm equiv. Likewise, Sony RX10 allows very similar magnification at both ends (24mm equiv and 200mm equiv) but of course MFD varies, and that makes sense.

I would be more worried with MFD being the same at 200mm as at 70mm.

You're the first one that actually got the other half of what I was talking about.  So MFD changing with focal length is normal on a lot of lenses.  Supposedly, the MFD is constant on all the Canon, Pentax, and Nikon Zooms I checked in this price range.  The Nikon 70-200 f/4 MFD is listed as 3.2 feet at 200mm and constant.  My thinking is, it might be another compromise that a lens designer can make to cut the weight of the lens.  And I'm still interested in the lens but I'm waiting for early adopters to chime in before I take the plunge.  Thank you for the reply I found out something new.

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But I was comparing it to the f/4 Canon which is 3 ft 9 inches at 200 and constant. Is the Canon 2.8 a constant minimum? I think I'll just get an adapter and the f/4 Canon it is about the same price. I can get over a foot closer and not have to worry about it.

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If you're willing to cut focusing speed by that much anyway, why not try the Canon FD 80-200L. It has built in macro settings and focuses to ~28in @ 200mm on the A7.

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Petroglyph wrote:

I just read the minimum focus distance is nearly 5 feet at the 200mm end and it varies by focal length? Most other 70-200s I've seen have a constant minimum. e.g., Canon 70-200 f/4 L IS is about 45 inches regardless of focal length. It gave me pause on a 1500$ lens I'll just say that. Anyone else notice (or care).

Cheers.

Just remember that even Canon/Nikon are not their specified focal length at minimum focus distance. The same is true with the FE. Important spec is maximum magnification, not minimum focus distance.

It seems odd that Sony is so low given modest min focus distance, must have really bad focus breathing (half the magnification of the other f/4 lenses). There could be a spec error in the max magnification for the other lenses too. They almost appear to be calculated for 200mm focal length, but those lenses have focus breathing and aren't really 200mm at MFD.

I am almost sure there is a spec error for the Canon's and Nikon's, I think they are using 200mm focal length and calculating magnification, which is invalid since that focal length is not valid over all focal distance.  I say that because Thom measures the actual focal length of the VRII at 200mm and 1.4 m focal distance to be 135mm.  Calculating the magnification I get about 0.1, not anywhere near the specified .25, and worse than the Sony at .13 (which appears to be an accurate measurement since it is nowhere near the similar MFD VRII spec).

Max Magnification of lenses (by manufacturer):

Sony: 0.13

Canon f/2.8II: 0.16

Canon f/4: 0.26

Nikon f/2.8II: 0.25

Nikon f/4: 0.274

References:

http://consumer.usa.canon.com/app/pdf/lens/EFLensChart.pdf

http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Camera-Lenses/All-Lenses/index.page

http://www.sony.net/Products/di/en-us/products/lenses/lineup/detail/sel70200g.html

http://www.bythom.com/nikkor-70-200-VR-II-lens.htm

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Petroglyph wrote:

I just read the minimum focus distance is nearly 5 feet at the 200mm end and it varies by focal length? Most other 70-200s I've seen have a constant minimum. e.g., Canon 70-200 f/4 L IS is about 45 inches regardless of focal length. It gave me pause on a 1500$ lens I'll just say that. Anyone else notice (or care).

Cheers.

I care and I know exactly what you are saying.

I was just about to pick up the FE 70-200 to pair with my A7r when I came across this thread. I am a former Nikon D800 & 70-200 f4G user, and this combo was fantastic due to the short MFD (about 40") at 200mm, which made this lens very easy for getting great close focus  ("macro-ish") and shallow depth-of-field shots with blurry out-of-focus backgrounds. I would say it almost matched the 70-200 f2.8G since MFD on that lens was much longer plus the "focus breathing" (much less than 200mm long end when focusing close). That plus the Nikon f4G is incredibly corner-to-corner sharp when slightly stopped down.

The MFD spec on the FE 70-200 is 40", same as the Nikon 70-200 f4G, but unlike the Nikon, the MFD increases to around 5 feet at 200mm, which negates the opportunity for close focus and shallow depth-of-field. I guess the measly .13 magnification versus the .27 magnification of the Nikon f4G tells it all.

Based on this, I'm sticking with my $100 Minolta 70-210 f4, which focuses 36" away at 210mm.

Thanks Petroglyph for the heads-up on the limitation with this lens.

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Count me as one who doesn't care one bit. If i did care I would buy an extension tube or take my macro lens.

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