A6000 Best Lens For Sports Photography

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Please advise on best native lens choices that will take advantage of the A6000 new technology.  Would like the best reach possible.

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Justin K wrote:

Please advise on best native lens choices that will take advantage of the A6000 new technology. Would like the best reach possible.

Quite simple: FE 70-200/4 OSS.

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Please advise on best native lens choices that will take advantage of the A6000 new technology. Would like the best reach possible.

If I was into sports with the A6000, this will be my first lens.

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On the Sony site when ordering the camera it gives you the option to add some accessories. One is the 1.4X Teleconverter, would this be worth it to add reach to the 70-200 or is there too much image IQ sacrificed?

Also, how does the 18-200 compare to the 70-200 and which Sony 18-200 is the best choice as I see there are a few models? I would want the 18-200 for everyday use so if the difference was drastic I would also get the 70-200 just don't want to duplicate since not gaining much on the long end.

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On the Sony site when ordering the camera it gives you the option to add some accessories. One is the 1.4X Teleconverter, would this be worth it to add reach to the 70-200 or is there too much image IQ sacrificed?

Also, how does the 18-200 compare to the 70-200 and which Sony 18-200 is the best choice as I see there are a few models? I would want the 18-200 for everyday use so if the difference was drastic I would also get the 70-200 just don't want to duplicate since not gaining much on the long end.

Can't speak for AF speed with 18-200, but it may serve okay in good light. OTOH, if light is at a premium, a stop+ advantage at long end on 70-200 may help. If you expect to shoot mostlyin goodlight, 18-200 or 55-210 may suffice. Lower light: 70-200/4.

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Justin K wrote:

Please advise on best native lens choices that will take advantage of the A6000 new technology. Would like the best reach possible.

the 70-200/4 OSS. However, you'd be reach limited at 200mm max. as there is nothing longer available in E-mount !!

The 1.4x TC is a big unknown so far IQ-wise, although there were few reports that a6k can do OSPDAF up to f/11,

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Justin K wrote:

Please advise on best native lens choices that will take advantage of the A6000 new technology. Would like the best reach possible.

the 70-200/4 OSS. However, you'd be reach limited at 200mm max. as there is nothing longer available in E-mount !!

The 1.4x TC is a big unknown so far IQ-wise, although there were few reports that a6k can do OSPDAF up to f/11,

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Is it a true 200mm max or is there a multiplier to make it higher?

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jpr2 wrote:

Justin K wrote:

Please advise on best native lens choices that will take advantage of the A6000 new technology. Would like the best reach possible.

the 70-200/4 OSS. However, you'd be reach limited at 200mm max. as there is nothing longer available in E-mount !!

The 1.4x TC is a big unknown so far IQ-wise, although there were few reports that a6k can do OSPDAF up to f/11,

jpr2

Is it a true 200mm max or is there a multiplier to make it higher?

Focal length is 200mm, but FOV is 300mm FF equiv so tht is pretty good reach for indoor sports unless you are up in the heavens.

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On the Sony site when ordering the camera it gives you the option to add some accessories. One is the 1.4X Teleconverter, would this be worth it to add reach to the 70-200 or is there too much image IQ sacrificed?

Also, how does the 18-200 compare to the 70-200 and which Sony 18-200 is the best choice as I see there are a few models? I would want the 18-200 for everyday use so if the difference was drastic I would also get the 70-200 just don't want to duplicate since not gaining much on the long end.

Can't speak for AF speed with 18-200, but it may serve okay in good light. OTOH, if light is at a premium, a stop+ advantage at long end on 70-200 may help. If you expect to shoot mostlyin goodlight, 18-200 or 55-210 may suffice. Lower light: 70-200/4.

In addition to that, even in good light I like focusing on the subject while throwing off the background preferably with an f/2.8 zoom, but the f/4 should suffice. Thus budget notwithstanding, the 70-200/4 is much better than an f/6.3 like in the long end of the 18-200.

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Go look in the Sport Photography forum for examples.  The most popular lenses are F/1.4, F/1.8 and F/2 primes on APS and F/2.8 on Full Frame for indoors.  F/4 has a 2 stops of light disadvantage compared to F/2 leaving you taking pictures at ISO6400 or usually higher in an average lit gym.  The 55mm F/1.8 might be an option if you can get up close, after that you really need an adapter and lenses more suited to the task.

Even an F/2.8 on APS-C is not desirable.  See here:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53340503

Here is another example of where f/4 would never work.  Check the ISO, f-stop and shutter speeds:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53467644

Here is an example of a quick focusing camera and long prime:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53267053

Outdoors during the day the FE lens will be a good choice.  It maybe that is all you need.

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Justin K wrote:

jpr2 wrote:

Justin K wrote:

Please advise on best native lens choices that will take advantage of the A6000 new technology. Would like the best reach possible.

the 70-200/4 OSS. However, you'd be reach limited at 200mm max. as there is nothing longer available in E-mount !!

The 1.4x TC is a big unknown so far IQ-wise, although there were few reports that a6k can do OSPDAF up to f/11,

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Is it a true 200mm max or is there a multiplier to make it higher?

  • as you've noticed there is 1.4x TC, which would make the 70-200/4 into 100-280/5.6; and as OSPDAF on a6k can supposedly be still operational at f/11, the f/5.6 should not be a problem (hopefully, there are also reports that it does struggle with moving targets in not so great light);
  • the open question about this TC+lens combo is the drop in IQ as TCs always cause some degradation);
  • OTOH you might perhaps noticed at Sochi Olympics or recent World Skating championships in Saitama, that there were plenty of 500/4Ls,  600/5.6Ls (and I've even spotted one 800/5.6L) scanning the rinks there - which puts even 280mm in some perspective (those rinks are not that huge ),

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The choice from f/1.8-2 basically implies you would be shooting primes. With zooms, you are limited to f/2.8 as the best case scenario. But now, if you are looking at a 70-200/2.8, consider the size ("big"), weight (60% more than the 70-200/4) and cost ($2k). My choice has been Minolta 200/2.8 G APO HS via LAEA2 which is a prime and quite small and fairly light (comparable to 70-200/4G) but that is not counting the adapter (which makes it bigger and heavier than 70-200/4... which is still small and light compared to the typical 70-200/2.8 before you add any adapter).

As for f/2.8 on APSc... not really an issue at all. Some of the most challenging indoors action photography IMO happens at rodeo arenas and 2.8 does fine. F/4 will be a stretch forcing ISO 3200-6400 for a reasonable shutter speed BUT better than 18-200 with f/6.3 would.

BTW, with Sony cameras, you can shoot at a fixed ISO (I prefer 800) and go from there. Coincidentally, i have also used a 50/1.7 alongside 200/2.8 in an NBA arena. Typical camera setting would be f/2.8, ISO 1600-2000, 1/500s-1/640s.

Under these conditions,f/2.8 works great, f/4 and APSc would be okay but f/6.3 will be pushing it.

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José B wrote:

EinsteinsGhost wrote:

On the Sony site when ordering the camera it gives you the option to add some accessories. One is the 1.4X Teleconverter, would this be worth it to add reach to the 70-200 or is there too much image IQ sacrificed?

Also, how does the 18-200 compare to the 70-200 and which Sony 18-200 is the best choice as I see there are a few models? I would want the 18-200 for everyday use so if the difference was drastic I would also get the 70-200 just don't want to duplicate since not gaining much on the long end.

Can't speak for AF speed with 18-200, but it may serve okay in good light. OTOH, if light is at a premium, a stop+ advantage at long end on 70-200 may help. If you expect to shoot mostlyin goodlight, 18-200 or 55-210 may suffice. Lower light: 70-200/4.

In addition to that, even in good light I like focusing on the subject while throwing off the background preferably with an f/2.8 zoom, but the f/4 should suffice. Thus budget notwithstanding, the 70-200/4 is much better than an f/6.3 like in the long end of the 18-200.

If the SEL18200 is to be used indoors for sports activities such as riding, hockey, etc., at the long end I would say that f6.3 is on the week side. The 70-200 f4 would certainly be more suitable. However, for every day use as the OP mentioned, the SEL 18200 OSS is a great lens.

Regarding José's comment about subject isolation, I have had good experience with the SEL 18200 even at 200/6.3 producing sharp images with a pleasant bokeh as seen in the attached.

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Just to be clear we are referring to the 18-200 that is silver correct?

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Just to be clear we are referring to the 18-200 that is silver correct?

For the blur, it wouldn't matter. For IQ though, I wouldn't know (no experience with any of the 18-200).

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Justin K wrote:

Just to be clear we are referring to the 18-200 that is silver correct?

That is correct.

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José B wrote:

EinsteinsGhost wrote:

On the Sony site when ordering the camera it gives you the option to add some accessories. One is the 1.4X Teleconverter, would this be worth it to add reach to the 70-200 or is there too much image IQ sacrificed?

Also, how does the 18-200 compare to the 70-200 and which Sony 18-200 is the best choice as I see there are a few models? I would want the 18-200 for everyday use so if the difference was drastic I would also get the 70-200 just don't want to duplicate since not gaining much on the long end.

Can't speak for AF speed with 18-200, but it may serve okay in good light. OTOH, if light is at a premium, a stop+ advantage at long end on 70-200 may help. If you expect to shoot mostlyin goodlight, 18-200 or 55-210 may suffice. Lower light: 70-200/4.

In addition to that, even in good light I like focusing on the subject while throwing off the background preferably with an f/2.8 zoom, but the f/4 should suffice. Thus budget notwithstanding, the 70-200/4 is much better than an f/6.3 like in the long end of the 18-200.

If the SEL18200 is to be used indoors for sports activities such as riding, hockey, etc., at the long end I would say that f6.3 is on the week side. The 70-200 f4 would certainly be more suitable. However, for every day use as the OP mentioned, the SEL 18200 OSS is a great lens.

Regarding José's comment about subject isolation, I have had good experience with the SEL 18200 even at 200/6.3 producing sharp images with a pleasant bokeh as seen in the attached.

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Gorgeous shots Joachim!

For sports I would imagine that the OP wants to take full-body images of adults. Bokeh shots of smaller subjects (or objects such as flowers and etc) are easy to do but for full-body shots you want the fastest lens you can afford to isolate the background.

Here are some samples but I am using an f/2.8 lens here (some are 135/2 + 1.4 x TC)

My point is: all things being equal go for the faster lens for sports. However, I can live with an f/4 lens like the Sony 70-200/4 G OSS

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I agree with you and as I also said, for sports and/or indoor the f6.3 are not suitable.

BTW, great tennis action shots. You captured them at the right moment. Was that at the York U.?

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Not shooting professional sports but my kids sporting activities which range from high school to elementary.  Both indoors and out.  I have done well with my Nikon D300 using the 70-300 VR 4.5-5.6 and for Indoors Sigma 50-150 2.8.

I would assume the low light capabilities of the a6000 are far superior to the D300 therefor even if I had a lens that wasn't as fast as the 2.8 I would still get better shots with the better ISO performance. For me, the max 200mm is the hardest part.  Really need 300mm but hopefully sony will come out with this at some point.

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Joachim Wulfers wrote:

I agree with you and as I also said, for sports and/or indoor the f6.3 are not suitable.

BTW, great tennis action shots. You captured them at the right moment. Was that at the York U.?

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thanks for the kind words Joachim. Yes, those are at York U.

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