Cheap variant of FT 1 adapter

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cvako
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Cheap variant of FT 1 adapter
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Hi guys, I just found this cheap variant of FT 1 adapter for my Nikon 1 J2. Do you think it will work with Nikon 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G AF-S DX VR or Sigma 70-300 mm f/4-5,6 DG OS for Nikon ? Does any one have exactly this one? Thanks

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At least, you will lose AF and VR
In reply to cvako, 5 months ago

Don't know about AE, but only the lack of autofocus should make yo to consider it really well.

Edit: Oh! And also diaphragm aperture... Just a very basic adapter that'll give you a very limited set of features of those of the 55-300.

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It doesn't appear from the photo to have the lens contacts to permit control of focus/aperture.  I'd guess it's a dumb adapter.

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I'd only consider that adapter for fully manual lenses
In reply to cvako, 5 months ago

cvako wrote:

Hi guys, I just found this cheap variant of FT 1 adapter for my Nikon 1 J2. Do you think it will work with Nikon 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G AF-S DX VR or Sigma 70-300 mm f/4-5,6 DG OS for Nikon ? Does any one have exactly this one? Thanks

And even then, you will not have ANY features, including autofocus, focus confirmation, auto exposure, or auto diaphragm.

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In reply to cvako, 5 months ago

Please remember the FT1 has more than just electrical contacts. It also has a motor and a lever to actuate the aperture diaphragm lever. I also suspect it's not just a simple pass-through as well.

In short: You really do get what you pay for with the FT1. It might be overpriced, but it's the only way to properly use AF-S VR G-type lenses on the Nikon 1.

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yslee1 wrote:

Please remember the FT1 has more than just electrical contacts. It also has a motor and a lever to actuate the aperture diaphragm lever. I also suspect it's not just a simple pass-through as well.

In short: You really do get what you pay for with the FT1. It might be overpriced, but it's the only way to properly use AF-S VR G-type lenses on the Nikon 1.

The FT-1 also has a firmware Even the FT-1 does not let one properly use AF-S G type lenses (central AF point only...). N1 series was not really designed with true F-mount compatibility in mind.

The main problem with some such cheapo adapters is that they don't let you adjust the aperture even manually, so a G-type lens with no aperture ring stays at min aperture all the time, which is pretty useless. You need at least an adapter with an aperture lever for G lenses.

http://www.fotodioxpro.com/lens-mount-adapters/fotodiox-pro-nikon-g-lens-to-nikon-1-system-camera-lens-mount-adapter.html

I understand auto metering with unindentified lenses is somewhat hampered on N1 compared to some other mirrorless cameras, and the AE chip on one of the adapters above helps a bit. But you don't get VR I guess.

And cheapo adapters may not be made with the required strict tolerances; for instance, just a little too thick, and you don't get good focus at infinity...

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters

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_sem_ wrote:

yslee1 wrote:

Please remember the FT1 has more than just electrical contacts. It also has a motor and a lever to actuate the aperture diaphragm lever. I also suspect it's not just a simple pass-through as well.

In short: You really do get what you pay for with the FT1. It might be overpriced, but it's the only way to properly use AF-S VR G-type lenses on the Nikon 1.

The FT-1 also has a firmware Even the FT-1 does not let one properly use AF-S G type lenses (central AF point only...). N1 series was not really designed with true F-mount compatibility in mind.

The main problem with some such cheapo adapters is that they don't let you adjust the aperture even manually, so a G-type lens with no aperture ring stays at min aperture all the time, which is pretty useless. You need at least an adapter with an aperture lever for G lenses.

http://www.fotodioxpro.com/lens-mount-adapters/fotodiox-pro-nikon-g-lens-to-nikon-1-system-camera-lens-mount-adapter.html

I understand auto metering with unindentified lenses is somewhat hampered on N1 compared to some other mirrorless cameras, and the AE chip on one of the adapters above helps a bit. But you don't get VR I guess.

And cheapo adapters may not be made with the required strict tolerances; for instance, just a little too thick, and you don't get good focus at infinity...

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters

Keep in mind that lensrentals has a commercial agenda there.   I've actually used dozens of cheapo adapters in 4/3 and micro 4/3, where the system still provides metering and aperture priority auto.

I've actually NEVER come across a cheap adapter that was supposed to provide for infinity focus that didn't.  If anything, if they get the distance wrong, it's on the side of being too thin, which means you can focus past infinity - that maybe happens with around 10% of the cheap adapters.  Maybe another 10% of them have a slight wobble with mounted lenses - to me, this is the more significant problem, because it means that the top and bottom of the frame will have slightly different focus points.   But as I said, this is maybe a problem with 10% of these adapters - if it is, you simply return it, or throw it away, and get another one - not so bad for something that costs $10-15.  And certainly better than paying $50 or more for a supposedly better but also dumb adapter with no electrical pass through contacts.

Unfortunately, Nikon 1 cameras don't offer most of the benefits that they could with adapted lenses, meaning no aperture priority metering.  So with that system, you really need a chipped adapter - which means either the Nikon FT-1 or the Russian-made chipped adapters that cost about $65 - because they have no competition.

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dougjgreen1 wrote:

Keep in mind that lensrentals has a commercial agenda there.

I don't think there was a commercial agenda there. But their quest was related to the A7r and best lenses to compete with the D800, so they had high expectation. And testing on the optical bench is very sensitive to misalignment, because the lens is supposed to be exactly at inf and with zero tilt or shift, as much as I understand.

I've actually NEVER come across a cheap adapter that was supposed to provide for infinity focus that didn't. If anything, if they get the distance wrong, it's on the side of being too thin, which means you can focus past infinity - that maybe happens with around 10% of the cheap adapters. Maybe another 10% of them have a slight wobble with mounted lenses - to me, this is the more significant problem, because it means that the top and bottom of the frame will have slightly different focus points. But as I said, this is maybe a problem with 10% of these adapters - if it is, you simply return it, or throw it away, and get another one - not so bad for something that costs $10-15. And certainly better than paying $50 or more for a supposedly better but also dumb adapter with no electrical pass through contacts.

I've got one wobbly adapter from Photodiox. The problem with adapters is that it is difficult to guess which of them is reasonably well made for the money...

Unfortunately, Nikon 1 cameras don't offer most of the benefits that they could with adapted lenses, meaning no aperture priority metering. So with that system, you really need a chipped adapter - which means either the Nikon FT-1 or the Russian-made chipped adapters that cost about $65 - because they have no competition.

I understand it is possible to buy the chip separately and glue it to another adapter (which has aperture control).

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_sem_ wrote:

dougjgreen1 wrote:

Keep in mind that lensrentals has a commercial agenda there.

I don't think there was a commercial agenda there. But their quest was related to the A7r and best lenses to compete with the D800, so they had high expectation. And testing on the optical bench is very sensitive to misalignment, because the lens is supposed to be exactly at inf and with zero tilt or shift, as much as I understand.

I've actually NEVER come across a cheap adapter that was supposed to provide for infinity focus that didn't. If anything, if they get the distance wrong, it's on the side of being too thin, which means you can focus past infinity - that maybe happens with around 10% of the cheap adapters. Maybe another 10% of them have a slight wobble with mounted lenses - to me, this is the more significant problem, because it means that the top and bottom of the frame will have slightly different focus points. But as I said, this is maybe a problem with 10% of these adapters - if it is, you simply return it, or throw it away, and get another one - not so bad for something that costs $10-15. And certainly better than paying $50 or more for a supposedly better but also dumb adapter with no electrical pass through contacts.

I've got one wobbly adapter from Photodiox. The problem with adapters is that it is difficult to guess which of them is reasonably well made for the money...

Unfortunately, Nikon 1 cameras don't offer most of the benefits that they could with adapted lenses, meaning no aperture priority metering. So with that system, you really need a chipped adapter - which means either the Nikon FT-1 or the Russian-made chipped adapters that cost about $65 - because they have no competition.

I understand it is possible to buy the chip separately and glue it to another adapter (which has aperture control).

Yes but the chip alone costs something like $50+ including shipping, so you might as well pay $64 and get a chipped adapter.

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_sem_ wrote:

dougjgreen1 wrote:

Keep in mind that lensrentals has a commercial agenda there.

I don't think there was a commercial agenda there. But their quest was related to the A7r and best lenses to compete with the D800, so they had high expectation. And testing on the optical bench is very sensitive to misalignment, because the lens is supposed to be exactly at inf and with zero tilt or shift, as much as I understand.

I've actually NEVER come across a cheap adapter that was supposed to provide for infinity focus that didn't. If anything, if they get the distance wrong, it's on the side of being too thin, which means you can focus past infinity - that maybe happens with around 10% of the cheap adapters. Maybe another 10% of them have a slight wobble with mounted lenses - to me, this is the more significant problem, because it means that the top and bottom of the frame will have slightly different focus points. But as I said, this is maybe a problem with 10% of these adapters - if it is, you simply return it, or throw it away, and get another one - not so bad for something that costs $10-15. And certainly better than paying $50 or more for a supposedly better but also dumb adapter with no electrical pass through contacts.

I've got one wobbly adapter from Photodiox. The problem with adapters is that it is difficult to guess which of them is reasonably well made for the money...

Unfortunately, Nikon 1 cameras don't offer most of the benefits that they could with adapted lenses, meaning no aperture priority metering. So with that system, you really need a chipped adapter - which means either the Nikon FT-1 or the Russian-made chipped adapters that cost about $65 - because they have no competition.

I understand it is possible to buy the chip separately and glue it to another adapter (which has aperture control).

Yes but the chip alone costs something like $50+ including shipping, so you might as well pay $64 and get a chipped adapter.

What if you already have the adapter?
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Paul Pasco wrote:

_sem_ wrote:

dougjgreen1 wrote:

Keep in mind that lensrentals has a commercial agenda there.

I don't think there was a commercial agenda there. But their quest was related to the A7r and best lenses to compete with the D800, so they had high expectation. And testing on the optical bench is very sensitive to misalignment, because the lens is supposed to be exactly at inf and with zero tilt or shift, as much as I understand.

I've actually NEVER come across a cheap adapter that was supposed to provide for infinity focus that didn't. If anything, if they get the distance wrong, it's on the side of being too thin, which means you can focus past infinity - that maybe happens with around 10% of the cheap adapters. Maybe another 10% of them have a slight wobble with mounted lenses - to me, this is the more significant problem, because it means that the top and bottom of the frame will have slightly different focus points. But as I said, this is maybe a problem with 10% of these adapters - if it is, you simply return it, or throw it away, and get another one - not so bad for something that costs $10-15. And certainly better than paying $50 or more for a supposedly better but also dumb adapter with no electrical pass through contacts.

I've got one wobbly adapter from Photodiox. The problem with adapters is that it is difficult to guess which of them is reasonably well made for the money...

Unfortunately, Nikon 1 cameras don't offer most of the benefits that they could with adapted lenses, meaning no aperture priority metering. So with that system, you really need a chipped adapter - which means either the Nikon FT-1 or the Russian-made chipped adapters that cost about $65 - because they have no competition.

I understand it is possible to buy the chip separately and glue it to another adapter (which has aperture control).

Yes but the chip alone costs something like $50+ including shipping, so you might as well pay $64 and get a chipped adapter.

What if you already have the adapter?
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I'd still get a chipped adapter, rather than having to mess around with gluing the chip onto one yourself - what if you did it in slightly the wrong location?  Who bears the risk of improper assembly?  You do.

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dougjgreen1 wrote:

I'd still get a chipped adapter, rather than having to mess around with gluing the chip onto one yourself - what if you did it in slightly the wrong location? Who bears the risk of improper assembly? You do.

I've managed to glue a chip to an F-mount AI style TC, with very little hassle. But the hassle heavily depends on how well the chip fits the mount; dremeling may be required in some cases.

Does the chipped adapter have lens aperture adjustment? If it doesn't, it is almost useless with G-type lenses (mind the OP).

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