As of today, Sony has 7 FF cameras

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As of today, Sony has 7 FF cameras
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If we do get the A7s announcement today.

3 A7's, 2 RX1's, and the A99.  It looks like only Nikon has ever also offered 6 FF models at the same time.  Then there is the FF NEX VG-900 FF dedicated video camera.  That makes 7 for Sony.  Adding the A900 and A850, Sony has now produced 9 FF cameras.

Looks a lot like a strong commitment to FF, to me.  Added to a strong commitment to APSC in both A mount and E mount, plus 1" sensor compacts and the best bridge camera available today (and maybe ever).

I wonder if one of these days soon Sony will get the appropriate acknowledgement about what is looking like some remarkable accomplishments?

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Sadly still rather let down by the lens range.

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Re: As of today, Sony has 7 FF cameras
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Sadly still rather let down by the lens range.

What lenses are you missing and use?

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yep sony cameras are looking good, in my 4 cameras wishlist sony have 2 of them : ()

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spacemn wrote:

TonyC5D wrote:

Sadly still rather let down by the lens range.

What lenses are you missing and use?

It is not just what they are missing lens wise but also the lack of quality of some of them. On top of that there are the QC issues they have with some of their lenses.

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Still doesn't answer the question of what is missing? What is not a quality lens in the alpha lineup?

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so doews that mean more FF cameras than FF AF/OIS lenses ?  LOL that tells it's own story as well

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I think that Sony's lens lineup is good. I don't understand why it is so important to you and some others to always voice your negative opinion. First of all, this thread was about cameras, not lenses. Secondly, if you really think that they are so bad, why don't you just move on to a different brand? There are plenty to choose from. And you don't need to start a "Goodbye Sony" thread about it. Just go to the relevant forum for your new brand and tell them about all the things that are absolutely terrible about the other brand.

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...in FE right now - esp. bright primes in FLs of at least 85mm, say: FE 85/1.4, FE 100/2, and FE 135/2 = all three already present (and excellent) in the Zeiss catalog (and I mean Zeiss, not "Zeiss" or Sony-Zeiss in particular taking into account the recurrent QC issues that seem to constantly haunt their recent lens releases !!)

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hyenadog wrote:

so doews that mean more FF cameras than FF AF/OIS lenses ? LOL that tells it's own story as well

Never let the facts interfere with a good whine eh ? There are more coming not only from Sony but from Zeiss ( sometime around Photokina onwards ) as well. Basically apart from some sports and wildlife photographers, what do you need ? A 16-35, 24-70 and a 70-200 plus perhaps a macro and or a short tele. And did I mention all the Minolta, KM and Sony A mount lenses out there ? Sorry about that.

The FE mount in particular still has only a small number of suitable cameras out there. It will take third party manufacturers sometime even if they do decide to produce product. There are some hundreds of thousands of Canon and Nikon full frame cameras out there - they will come first.

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spacemn wrote:

TonyC5D wrote:

Sadly still rather let down by the lens range.

What lenses are you missing and use?

300 f2.8? 100-400 f4? In fact anything over 210 would be nice! Yes, I know they would be big compared to the alpha/NEX bodies but that that is the photographers choice. Sony are restricting their market by only offering relatively short lenses. I own the NEX 7 and love it but I just want a couple of longer lenses, not too much to ask surely! And I have tried legacy lenses, I would much prefer native with full functions thank you.

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Careful, the true fanboys don't think anyone needslenses.  They don't actually take pictures, you know.  

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TonyC5D wrote:

spacemn wrote:

TonyC5D wrote:

Sadly still rather let down by the lens range.

What lenses are you missing and use?

300 f2.8? 100-400 f4? In fact anything over 210 would be nice! Yes, I know they would be big compared to the alpha/NEX bodies but that that is the photographers choice. Sony are restricting their market by only offering relatively short lenses. I own the NEX 7 and love it but I just want a couple of longer lenses, not too much to ask surely! And I have tried legacy lenses, I would much prefer native with full functions thank you.

Tony - what would you gain with an e-mount version rather than the a-mount versions with an LE-EA4 adapter?  
Size would be the same (dictated by it being a 300mm focal length and f2.8 aperture) so what would you gain do you think?

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Jamie: why natvie E-mount lenses over A-mount adapted?
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TonyC5D wrote:

spacemn wrote:

TonyC5D wrote:

Sadly still rather let down by the lens range.

What lenses are you missing and use?

300 f2.8? 100-400 f4? In fact anything over 210 would be nice! Yes, I know they would be big compared to the alpha/NEX bodies but that that is the photographers choice. Sony are restricting their market by only offering relatively short lenses. I own the NEX 7 and love it but I just want a couple of longer lenses, not too much to ask surely! And I have tried legacy lenses, I would much prefer native with full functions thank you.

Tony - what would you gain with an e-mount version rather than the a-mount versions with an LE-EA4 adapter?
Size would be the same (dictated by it being a 300mm focal length and f2.8 aperture) so what would you gain do you think?

the reason is pretty obvious - they claim that AF will be as quick in OSPDAF as that of a6k, which means it would be of high use... IFF true

BUT... it also means that no A-mount lenses will have an access to the OSPDAF. What EA-4 offers is anyway pretty rudimentary = entry dSLR level of performance, with focusing points huddled closely in the center.

Thus, a dearly needed, long overdue new LA-EAx adapter will be necessary - which would secure seamless OSPDAF for A-mount glass;

However... something like this wasn't even announced

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Those lenses are available, just need to buy the adapter and presto off you go!

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jpr2 wrote:

JamieTux wrote:

TonyC5D wrote:

spacemn wrote:

TonyC5D wrote:

Sadly still rather let down by the lens range.

What lenses are you missing and use?

300 f2.8? 100-400 f4? In fact anything over 210 would be nice! Yes, I know they would be big compared to the alpha/NEX bodies but that that is the photographers choice. Sony are restricting their market by only offering relatively short lenses. I own the NEX 7 and love it but I just want a couple of longer lenses, not too much to ask surely! And I have tried legacy lenses, I would much prefer native with full functions thank you.

Tony - what would you gain with an e-mount version rather than the a-mount versions with an LE-EA4 adapter?
Size would be the same (dictated by it being a 300mm focal length and f2.8 aperture) so what would you gain do you think?

the reason is pretty obvious - they claim that AF will be as quick in OSPDAF as that of a6k, which means it would be of high use... IFF true

BUT... it also means that no A-mount lenses will have an access to the OSPDAF. What EA-4 offers is anyway pretty rudimentary = entry dSLR level of performance, with focusing points huddled closely in the center.

Thanks jpr - but I have an A7r with LA-EA4 and an A99 - and I'm hard pressed to notice much (if any) difference in frame coverage or focus speed with the same lenses.
I get that the combination OSPDAF/CDAF in the A6000 might be quicker and I'll accept that, as well as hoping that the e-mount lenses had OSS (but that is a hope) - but Tony was asking for longer lenses with full functions for his NEX 7.

So I'm still curious as to what Tony wants from an e-mount version versus the existing a-mount lenses and adapter

Thus, a dearly needed, long overdue new LA-EAx adapter will be necessary - which would secure seamless OSPDAF for A-mount glass;

Maybe but as discussed elsewhere that's actually supposed to be a combination PDAF/CDAF system so maybe another new a-mount 300mm f2.8 but built with that in mind and a new adapter would be an equally vaild answer to the issue too?  That way they can build just one new lens and keep all customers of both systems happy.....  (Of course we all know that some on this forum will be horrified that Sony aren't launching an e-mount version and on the a-mount forum they will be equally horrified at the compromises made for the sake of e-mount compatibility!)

However... something like this wasn't even announced

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The OSS doesn't work very well... Oh, wait, there isn't any! Perhaps that should offer a clue as to why the A mount isn't so attractive, particularly for the longer lenses. Not to mention having to buy the adapter and the lens.

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OSS would probably help but there are 2 vocal camps both for and against any form of vibration, then there are those that say to ramp up the shutter speed so it all depends on how you use it I guess. Looking at some photographers with their large lenses with no image stabilisation it makes you wonder how they get their shot?

You buy the adaptor once and swap the lens when you need to unless you have money to burn and $400 at a time is nothing to you.

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You said it.  For the long focal lengths he mentioned, OSS would be useful and something you can't get with adapted a-mount or legacy lenses.

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OSS would probably help but there are 2 vocal camps both for and against any form of vibration, then there are those that say to ramp up the shutter speed so it all depends on how you use it I guess. Looking at some photographers with their large lenses with no image stabilisation it makes you wonder how they get their shot?

You buy the adaptor once and swap the lens when you need to unless you have money to burn and $400 at a time is nothing to you.

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One place where stabilization is very useful is for panning action shots.  There you don't want a short shutter speed - so you get the streaked background.  And one of the primary selling points of the Canon system was all their 'pro' sports / wildlife stabilized lenses.

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