m4/3 not allowed on Lower Antelope Canyon photo tour

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m4/3 not allowed on Lower Antelope Canyon photo tour
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I just returned from antelope canyon trip and as I made my way towards lower antelope canyon. The booking office rep at Ken Rockwell informed me that I cannot take the photography tour since my camera isn't medium or large size.

That was one of the most technologically challenged statements I have ever heard. Even though I had two supporters helping me discuss and at times argue over the point, it did not cut ice.

Having traveled 2k+ miles I was quite disappointed but there will be another day. I was carrying E-PL5 with Tripod and a rain sleeve.

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In reply to genesys9, 8 months ago

Don't feel bad. Ken Rockwell seems to be a very biased person. The GF doesn't cut with him either.

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Well, I just looked up the tour details http://www.lowerantelope.com/aboutTheTour.php and it says

"Photographer's pass is 2 hours in duration. One photo pass for each individual with the required equipment. You can purchase the pass at the booth. The REQUIRED equipment are a SLR camera, medium or large format WITH a tripod. No guide is provided for the photographer, but a Canyon Monitor will check on you periodically for questions or assistant.

Things to bring:

• SLR camera (medium or large format) required
• Extra film or memory cards.
• Batteries
• Tripod required
• Plastic bag (for windy days to protect camera or lens)"

Seems a bit stupid, but an m4/3 is not an SLR (bolding is theirs, not mine).

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In reply to PC Wheeler, 8 months ago

Phenomenally silly. I can imagine him tossing some dude with a $35k bag of Leica stuff.

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In reply to PC Wheeler, 8 months ago

Very confusing. For decades, medium format has been larger then 35mm (or digital equivalent). And large format is 4X5 inch film. Don't think there even is such a thing as a lager format SLR. Looks like they have created their own definitions.

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Well, I just looked up the tour details http://www.lowerantelope.com/aboutTheTour.php and it says

"Photographer's pass is 2 hours in duration. One photo pass for each individual with the required equipment. You can purchase the pass at the booth. The REQUIRED equipment are a SLR camera, medium or large format WITH a tripod. No guide is provided for the photographer, but a Canyon Monitor will check on you periodically for questions or assistant.

Things to bring:

• SLR camera (medium or large format) required
• Extra film or memory cards.
• Batteries
• Tripod required
• Plastic bag (for windy days to protect camera or lens)"

Seems a bit stupid, but an m4/3 is not an SLR (bolding is theirs, not mine).

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PC Wheeler wrote:

Well, I just looked up the tour details http://www.lowerantelope.com/aboutTheTour.php and it says

"Photographer's pass is 2 hours in duration. One photo pass for each individual with the required equipment. You can purchase the pass at the booth. The REQUIRED equipment are a SLR camera, medium or large format WITH a tripod. No guide is provided for the photographer, but a Canyon Monitor will check on you periodically for questions or assistant.

Things to bring:

• SLR camera (medium or large format) required
• Extra film or memory cards.
• Batteries
• Tripod required
• Plastic bag (for windy days to protect camera or lens)"

Seems a bit stupid, but an m4/3 is not an SLR (bolding is theirs, not mine).

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So just take a tripod and any old DSLR (smaller the better....old  Pentax APSC fit the bill or better still a film SLR like a Spotmatic) AND your other camera.

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They have a laminated rule page to show guests and that actually states Digital SLR as the requirement. I definitely did advise them to go ahead and check out the jaw dropping pictures m43 take.

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Well, I just looked up the tour details http://www.lowerantelope.com/aboutTheTour.php and it says

"Photographer's pass is 2 hours in duration. One photo pass for each individual with the required equipment. You can purchase the pass at the booth. The REQUIRED equipment are a SLR camera, medium or large format WITH a tripod. No guide is provided for the photographer, but a Canyon Monitor will check on you periodically for questions or assistant.

Things to bring:

• SLR camera (medium or large format) required
• Extra film or memory cards.
• Batteries
• Tripod required
• Plastic bag (for windy days to protect camera or lens)"

Seems a bit stupid, but an m4/3 is not an SLR (bolding is theirs, not mine).

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PC Wheeler wrote:

Well, I just looked up the tour details http://www.lowerantelope.com/aboutTheTour.php and it says

"Photographer's pass is 2 hours in duration. One photo pass for each individual with the required equipment. You can purchase the pass at the booth. The REQUIRED equipment are a SLR camera, medium or large format WITH a tripod. No guide is provided for the photographer, but a Canyon Monitor will check on you periodically for questions or assistant.

Things to bring:

• SLR camera (medium or large format) required
• Extra film or memory cards.
• Batteries
• Tripod required
• Plastic bag (for windy days to protect camera or lens)"

Seems a bit stupid, but an m4/3 is not an SLR (bolding is theirs, not mine).

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Ah, well. The requirement for medium or large format means that no Nikon or Canon cameras are allowed either. Just Hasselblads, Mamiya, Phase One, Pentax 645 and a few others. Oh, and a Graflex or Gowland 4x5" film SLR of course. That doesn't leave many customers.

Some people have no clue.

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I am puzzled why they care what camera you have.

They take your money and leave you alone. For all they know you just slept for two hours.

Seems to be an arrogant position to take but then. it is KR.

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genesys9 wrote:

They have a laminated rule page to show guests and that actually states Digital SLR as the requirement. I definitely did advise them to go ahead and check out the jaw dropping pictures m43 take.

Ridiculous, I think. On the other hand, there may well be photo excursions out there which allow only film SLRs. Actually, that would be more rational -- appealing to those folks who still work in film.

I'm really amazed to hear this constraint! Gee, maybe I shouldn't have sold my last DSLR in March

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Antelope Canyon is dark, and perhaps the requirements are all about making sure that the participants have a camera that has a phase detect AF system that can work in the low light environment.

What fast glass did you have?

What is the longest shutter release that you can shoot with the E-PL5?

The slot canyons are a fun place to shoot, but you do need the proper gear to shoot in that high iso environment.

Hope you get to go back an other time. Couldn't you just go into the Canyon on a regular tour?Photographer groups are allowed in at the most preferred times in small groups so that you can shoot the beams of light w/o twenty people in the frame.

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genesys9 wrote:

I just returned from antelope canyon trip and as I made my way towards lower antelope canyon. The booking office rep at Ken Rockwell informed me that I cannot take the photography tour since my camera isn't medium or large size.

That was one of the most technologically challenged statements I have ever heard. Even though I had two supporters helping me discuss and at times argue over the point, it did not cut ice.

Having traveled 2k+ miles I was quite disappointed but there will be another day. I was carrying E-PL5 with Tripod and a rain sleeve.

hard to believe!

I did not know this guy turned this place into his private enterprise.

BTW, can anybody enter this Lower Antelope Canyon without camera at all - to enjoy the view only?

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Very confusing. For decades, medium format has been larger then 35mm (or digital equivalent). And large format is 4X5 inch film. Don't think there even is such a thing as a lager format SLR. Looks like they have created their own definitions.

Your comment got me interested, and a brief search suggests that there aren't any large format SLRs.

I guess that means you have to bring a medium format SLR. All those time-wasting, amateurish 8" x 10" sheet film users will fortunately be excluded!

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Well, I just looked up the tour details http://www.lowerantelope.com/aboutTheTour.php and it says

"Photographer's pass is 2 hours in duration. One photo pass for each individual with the required equipment. You can purchase the pass at the booth. The REQUIRED equipment are a SLR camera, medium or large format WITH a tripod. No guide is provided for the photographer, but a Canyon Monitor will check on you periodically for questions or assistant.

Things to bring:

• SLR camera (medium or large format) required
• Extra film or memory cards.
• Batteries
• Tripod required
• Plastic bag (for windy days to protect camera or lens)"

Seems a bit stupid, but an m4/3 is not an SLR (bolding is theirs, not mine).

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So I could take my antique 8 MP 20D but not my very modern 16 MP GH3 which has much better image quality, far superior high ISO performance, and vastly better AF (and MF).  How incredibly ignorant.

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Anything associated with Ken Rockwell has large downsides often with few upsides.Just a big mouth who loves to hear himself talk.Surprised he doesn't have his own canyon.

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I did not see anything to suggest that Ken's tours has anything to do with Ken Rockwell. Unless he moved to Arizona and started giving tours full time this is a different Ken. Although the prohibition of m43 cameras does sound sort of Rockwellian.

When I searched for Antelope canyon tours this website came up first. They might not care what type of camera you bring, They do mention the 2 our limit is a regulation beyond their control, maybe the SLR and tripod is also a regulation.

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Dave Lively, I have mis-typed, it is NOT Ken Rockwell but just Ken.

Thank you for bringing this up. All this is the right link, apologies but I still am disappointed with Ken

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I did not see anything to suggest that Ken's tours has anything to do with Ken Rockwell. Unless he moved to Arizona and started giving tours full time this is a different Ken. Although the prohibition of m43 cameras does sound sort of Rockwellian.

When I searched for Antelope canyon tours this website came up first. They might not care what type of camera you bring, They do mention the 2 our limit is a regulation beyond their control, maybe the SLR and tripod is also a regulation.

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At one point I lusted over one of these. Just happened to see one today.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/pentax/645/645.htm

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In reply to Skeeterbytes, 8 months ago

That has already happened, as I recall a famous photographer with his Leica was denied access. I can't recall his name, but it was over a year ago.  What an ignorant policy and one reason I have chosen not to go when I am in the Page area.

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My first idea is to bring my OM-1 and say it's my primary camera and then conveniently forget the film, and then use my MFT gear anyway.

My second idea is to load the OM-1 with some Velvia after I get it CLAed and shoot with it anyway.

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