Nikon is not afraid of the 645 Z

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soheil wrote:

bI don't believe such an add exists, it's a joke created by the same people who've changed the Pentax add in the original page.

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totally agree . . .as I said have never seen Nikon go directly at a acompetitor neve mind a specific model.

Didn't they just sue Sigma and the Kodak start-up in separate lawsuits? That's what I call "going directly at".

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lawsuit is quite different then an ad campaign especially if, and I think they were, patent infringements.

I'm not familiar with the suits but it seems like the Kodak one was based on how the camera looked if I recall.  Neither here nor there I'd guess.

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Re: Nikon is not afraid of the 645 Z
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The 645 Z is a camera for professionals

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Is Nikon still a brand for professionals?

The link indicates: No.

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Trust me more professionals shoot Nikon then Pentax.

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Re: Nikon is not afraid of the 645 Z
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More info about the Z on the New Camera News, the Onion of the camera news websites:

http://newcameranews.com/2014/04/02/ricoh-pentax-gets-ready-to-disappoint-once-again/

The article starts with following:

“Ricoh Pentax, the saddest of all active camera makers, is teasing a successor to the long-in-the-tooth, one tripod foot in the grave medium format 645D. Launched in 1 B.I. (Before Instagram), the 645D is like a dinosaur at your local natural history museum — cool to look at but you don’t want to take it home … “

While many news sites are trying to understand the 645Z, which is an unfathomable concept to even 99% of the Pentax K-mount users, it seems that marketing department at Nikon is already working and delivering usually good job.

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Madamina, il catalogo è questo; Delle belle che amò il padron mio; un catalogo egli è che ho fatt'io; Osservate, leggete con me.

and if Nikon is not "afraid" why would they waste time and money targeting a mystery product from an unworthy competitor?! Not like them to target any specific brand/model.

You do realize it's not a real advertisement I hope.

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Re: Nikon is not afraid of the 645 Z
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turbsy wrote:

Bob Corson wrote:

Zvonimir Tosic wrote:

More info about the Z on the New Camera News, the Onion of the camera news websites:

http://newcameranews.com/2014/04/02/ricoh-pentax-gets-ready-to-disappoint-once-again/

The article starts with following:

“Ricoh Pentax, the saddest of all active camera makers, is teasing a successor to the long-in-the-tooth, one tripod foot in the grave medium format 645D. Launched in 1 B.I. (Before Instagram), the 645D is like a dinosaur at your local natural history museum — cool to look at but you don’t want to take it home … “

While many news sites are trying to understand the 645Z, which is an unfathomable concept to even 99% of the Pentax K-mount users, it seems that marketing department at Nikon is already working and delivering usually good job.

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Madamina, il catalogo è questo; Delle belle che amò il padron mio; un catalogo egli è che ho fatt'io; Osservate, leggete con me.

and if Nikon is not "afraid" why would they waste time and money targeting a mystery product from an unworthy competitor?! Not like them to target any specific brand/model.

You do realize it's not a real advertisement I hope.

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yes as I said in my reply to soleill . . .but some here seem to be taking it pretty seriously

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turbsy wrote:

Holger Bargen wrote:

The 645 Z is a camera for professionals

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Is Nikon still a brand for professionals?

The link indicates: No.

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Holger

Trust me more professionals shoot Nikon then Pentax.

That ist correct. But we have seen here on the forum, that the quality of a medium Format camera is another Dimension that FF. It is even more ture than for the the APS-C versus FF discussion. Professionals should know this.

Medium format is another world and many professionals prefer this or have at least an equipment they use if they need high end.

Nikon never had a camera in this world. Pentax is here within a league of Hasselblad and PhaseOne. And this has been so since many decades.

I can't understand why Nikon starts to notice it, now.

The advertisement as well as the words of Nikon indicate a dimension of stupidity that I nearly can't believe that they are official words from Nikon.

The only reason why Nikon could be arrogantly, could be a medium format camera from Nikon which is miles in front of the new Pentax 645Z - but to be honest - I do not expect something like this - they would have to offer a complete series of medium format lenses, too.

In the end the advertisement form Nikon sounds like whistling in the dark.

This would only make sense if we have to expect an extraordinary strong and innovative Pentax 645Z.

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Re: Nikon is not afraid of the 645 Z
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Holger Bargen wrote:

turbsy wrote:

Holger Bargen wrote:

The 645 Z is a camera for professionals

.

Is Nikon still a brand for professionals?

The link indicates: No.

Best regards

Holger

Trust me more professionals shoot Nikon then Pentax.

That ist correct. But we have seen here on the forum, that the quality of a medium Format camera is another Dimension that FF. It is even more ture than for the the APS-C versus FF discussion. Professionals should know this.

Medium format is another world and many professionals prefer this or have at least an equipment they use if they need high end.

Nikon never had a camera in this world. Pentax is here within a league of Hasselblad and PhaseOne. And this has been so since many decades.

I can't understand why Nikon starts to notice it, now.

The advertisement as well as the words of Nikon indicate a dimension of stupidity that I nearly can't believe that they are official words from Nikon.

The only reason why Nikon could be arrogantly, could be a medium format camera from Nikon which is miles in front of the new Pentax 645Z - but to be honest - I do not expect something like this - they would have to offer a complete series of medium format lenses, too.

In the end the advertisement form Nikon sounds like whistling in the dark.

This would only make sense if we have to expect an extraordinary strong and innovative Pentax 645Z.

Best regards

Holger

See the OP's first post. "The Onion" is a news parody website, and "New Camera News" is likewise a photographic news parody website. The Nikon ad is a parody of the Pentax countdown, produced by New Camera News, and no one at Nikon had nothing to do with it.

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Petroglyph wrote:

If Ricoh would drop the price to around 4000$ and Convince Samyang to offer, say, a 28 f/2, 58 f/2, and 98 f/2.8 Macro that might get some attention. Now most realize the camera at 10000 and new 28mm (also very expensive), it is just too far out of reach for serious consideration. This is probably why Nikon wouldn't care.

Cheers.

If Ricoh would just hand me a $1000 check I would be happy too. I am sure Ricoh would lose at least that much selling 645Z cameras for $4000. Why would Ricoh have any interest in convincing Samyang to make lenses for them and lose any profit off their lenses?

It is only too far out of reach for some buyers, there are many (their market) that wouldn't think twice about spending $30k on a system, that is a deal next to some of the other medium format cameras.

Eric

I am always amused when "knowledgeable critics" offer their 2 cent, comparing apples to... lenses.

The latest Hasselblad system is offered at $47K and Phase one is in a similar ballpark (albeit at higher resolution). Leica S is $22K (body only) and lenses range between $7-10K. It only has 40M pixel sensor.

To tell the truth, I think it would be great if Leica would offer their camera at $4K, but as is, "it is just too far out of reach for serious consideration".

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baldeagle21b wrote:

Holger Bargen wrote:

turbsy wrote:

Holger Bargen wrote:

The 645 Z is a camera for professionals

.

Is Nikon still a brand for professionals?

The link indicates: No.

Best regards

Holger

Trust me more professionals shoot Nikon then Pentax.

That ist correct. But we have seen here on the forum, that the quality of a medium Format camera is another Dimension that FF. It is even more ture than for the the APS-C versus FF discussion. Professionals should know this.

Medium format is another world and many professionals prefer this or have at least an equipment they use if they need high end.

Nikon never had a camera in this world. Pentax is here within a league of Hasselblad and PhaseOne. And this has been so since many decades.

I can't understand why Nikon starts to notice it, now.

The advertisement as well as the words of Nikon indicate a dimension of stupidity that I nearly can't believe that they are official words from Nikon.

The only reason why Nikon could be arrogantly, could be a medium format camera from Nikon which is miles in front of the new Pentax 645Z - but to be honest - I do not expect something like this - they would have to offer a complete series of medium format lenses, too.

In the end the advertisement form Nikon sounds like whistling in the dark.

This would only make sense if we have to expect an extraordinary strong and innovative Pentax 645Z.

Best regards

Holger

See the OP's first post. "The Onion" is a news parody website, and "New Camera News" is likewise a photographic news parody website. The Nikon ad is a parody of the Pentax countdown, produced by New Camera News, and no one at Nikon had nothing to do with it.

That makes sense. Did not know the Website where it was published.

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I think they have enough money to buy some 645Z for their bosses.

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affordable products. They love to pay more for a Bugatti than less for a Ferrari.

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affordable products. They love to pay more for a Bugatti than less for a Ferrari.

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The Bugatti Veryan has a higher top speed, more power and more refinement inside, personally I wouldn't have either but Ai can understand the appeal and the differences

What I don't understand is people buying the Hasselblad version of the Sony cameras that seem to be identical apart from the exterior.

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The Bugatti Veryan has a higher top speed, more power and more refinement inside, personally I wouldn't have either but Ai can understand the appeal and the differences

It calls Veyron, not Veryan

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The Bugatti Veryan has a higher top speed, more power and more refinement inside, personally I wouldn't have either but Ai can understand the appeal and the differences

It calls Veyron, not Veryan

Yep, that's me not checking autocorrect when posting from my phone

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