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Nikon is not afraid of the 645 Z

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Zvonimir Tosic
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Nikon is not afraid of the 645 Z
Apr 2, 2014

More info about the Z on the New Camera News, the Onion of the camera news websites:

http://newcameranews.com/2014/04/02/ricoh-pentax-gets-ready-to-disappoint-once-again/

The article starts with following:

“Ricoh Pentax, the saddest of all active camera makers, is teasing a successor to the long-in-the-tooth, one tripod foot in the grave medium format 645D. Launched in 1 B.I. (Before Instagram), the 645D is like a dinosaur at your local natural history museum — cool to look at but you don’t want to take it home … “

While many news sites are trying to understand the 645Z, which is an unfathomable concept to even 99% of the Pentax K-mount users, it seems that marketing department at Nikon is already working and delivering usually good job.

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Looks like a great site for hyper cynics!

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DAVID MANZE wrote:

Looks like a great site for hyper cynics!

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Or maybe DPR is great for those who have no sense of humour?

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In reply to Zvonimir Tosic, Apr 2, 2014

If Ricoh would drop the price to around 4000$ and Convince Samyang to offer, say, a 28 f/2,  58 f/2, and 98 f/2.8 Macro that might get some attention.  Now most realize the camera at 10000 and new 28mm (also very expensive), it is just too far out of reach for serious consideration.  This is probably why Nikon wouldn't care.

Cheers.

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Thanks for sharing Zvonomir. The other 'articles' are extremely funny. I now want to join the Royal Society of Pixel Peepers!

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Yep the 645 price is hard to justify for many enthusiasts.   The battle in the pro market for Nikon is with Canon, not Pentax.

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The fact that they took the effort to develop an advertisement in response to the Z's teaser ad tells me that they might be just a little bit afraid.  If they truly were not afraid, they would just ignore the whole issue...my 2 cents.

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On the other hand the original 645D is sitting at 7000$ (and the 25mm f/4 DA 645 AW lens is 5000$). Suppose the price of the original 40 mp camera falls to about 50% of this value after the new one is announced. I know, I still wouldn't get it, I'd wait for Sony to come out with the 44X33 mirror-less or the FF 54 mp Foveon they're rumoured to be developing. Nikon should pay attentino to what's going on over there. I know I am.

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Petroglyph wrote:

If Ricoh would drop the price to around 4000$ and Convince Samyang to offer, say, a 28 f/2, 58 f/2, and 98 f/2.8 Macro that might get some attention. Now most realize the camera at 10000 and new 28mm (also very expensive), it is just too far out of reach for serious consideration. This is probably why Nikon wouldn't care.

Cheers.

If Ricoh would just hand me a $1000 check I would be happy too.  I am sure Ricoh would lose at least that much selling 645Z cameras for $4000.  Why would Ricoh have any interest in convincing Samyang to make lenses for them and lose any profit off their lenses?

It is only too far out of reach for some buyers, there are many (their market) that wouldn't think twice about spending $30k on a system, that is a deal next to some of the other medium format cameras.

Eric

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In reply to Zvonimir Tosic, Apr 2, 2014

Like I told the boys in the school yard, you don't have to be afraid to get your @#$  kicked !

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Cigarguy wrote:

Yep the 645 price is hard to justify for many enthusiasts. The battle in the pro market for Nikon is with Canon, not Pentax.

I had the pleasure of using a 645D for an hour or so during a camera demo by the local rep. I used the new at the time 55, an older 200 and the 120 macro. I could easily justify 10k for the body, but I can't afford to. I liked using it and I liked the quality of the pictures it gave.

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The fact that they took the effort to develop an advertisement in response to the Z's teaser ad tells me that they might be just a little bit afraid. If they truly were not afraid, they would just ignore the whole issue...my 2 cents.

You realise that's an image from a news parody site right? 

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Cigarguy wrote:

Yep the 645 price is hard to justify for many enthusiasts. The battle in the pro market for Nikon is with Canon, not Pentax.

The 645D really competes with the D800 more than with the D4S.  This makes the price difference even more acute.

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Z has created quite a storm - but nobody's scared.

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No totally different camera to any FF.

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Thanks walgarch (sounds like a burp after turkey meatloaf) I was in the middle of formulating a plan to sell Daryl some PRIME beach front property in Kansas.  Now you scared him/her off.

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I've already bought beach front property in Nebraska, thank you  .

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viking79 wrote:

Petroglyph wrote:

If Ricoh would drop the price to around 4000$ and Convince Samyang to offer, say, a 28 f/2, 58 f/2, and 98 f/2.8 Macro that might get some attention. Now most realize the camera at 10000 and new 28mm (also very expensive), it is just too far out of reach for serious consideration. This is probably why Nikon wouldn't care.

Cheers.

If Ricoh would just hand me a $1000 check I would be happy too. I am sure Ricoh would lose at least that much selling 645Z cameras for $4000. Why would Ricoh have any interest in convincing Samyang to make lenses for them and lose any profit off their lenses?

It is only too far out of reach for some buyers, there are many (their market) that wouldn't think twice about spending $30k on a system, that is a deal next to some of the other medium format cameras.

Eric

You've outlined the status quo profile for this camera.  And made my point about why Nikon don't care. 

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Petroglyph wrote:

viking79 wrote:

Petroglyph wrote:

If Ricoh would drop the price to around 4000$ and Convince Samyang to offer, say, a 28 f/2, 58 f/2, and 98 f/2.8 Macro that might get some attention. Now most realize the camera at 10000 and new 28mm (also very expensive), it is just too far out of reach for serious consideration. This is probably why Nikon wouldn't care.

Cheers.

If Ricoh would just hand me a $1000 check I would be happy too. I am sure Ricoh would lose at least that much selling 645Z cameras for $4000. Why would Ricoh have any interest in convincing Samyang to make lenses for them and lose any profit off their lenses?

It is only too far out of reach for some buyers, there are many (their market) that wouldn't think twice about spending $30k on a system, that is a deal next to some of the other medium format cameras.

Eric

You've outlined the status quo profile for this camera. And made my point about why Nikon don't care.

There is a lot more under the surface than what most people tend to see (or want to see).

One big, big advantage of Nikon (and also Canon) is that owning lenses from them is almost like having money in the bank. They don't depreciate as much and is very easy to sell or trade for a very good residual value. The same logic applies when a photogrpaher wants to buy used lenses instead of new ones. There is plenty from where to choose when it comes to lenses in the used market.

I am sitting here on 9 Pentax lenses, trying to sell them for one year.  I have reduced the price of them severely and no takers! It is kind of frustrating. The only two lenses I was able to sell were the Pentax 'A' 28mm F2.8 and the fisheye 10-17mm. I am listing the 55-200mm zoom for $70 and still no leads. Simply amazing!

Now, let's talk about  flash technology and flash systems and Nikon has the huge advantage, even compared to Canon.

Now, let's consider auto focus technology and image processing engines and again, Canon and nikon are on the lead.

Also consider technical support. With the professional support program from both nikon and canon, it is easy to get replacements when the cameras are serviced.

Any person who knows about professional photography must know these facts. Also marketing image of the two leading brands is hard to beat.

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The 645 Z is a camera for professionals.

Is Nikon still a brand for professionals?

The link indicates: No.

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