Third party batteries

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goloby OP Regular Member • Posts: 115
Re: Third party batteries

Not many people from the UK on this forum.

Regarding buying cheaper batteries opposed to OEM ones, same reason why one would by third party lenses really, they can be cheaper and sometimes even better. As someone already stated, Fuji does not make batteries, they could be rebranded wasabis or any other brand. For some people spending 50 pounds on a battery might not be a big deal, some might have struggled to get the money for the camera in the first place, others just will not pay blindly for what they could get cheaper.

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Chris Dodkin
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Re: Third party batteries

I went with a couple of swag batteries from Amazon

Halcyon 1800 mAH Lithium Ion

Much cheaper than original, but they only last approx 2/3 the time of the original - so it's a trade off

The Fuji branded batteries are stupidly expensive - but they are in this to make money after all!

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mr moonlight Senior Member • Posts: 1,781
Re: Third party batteries

ryan2007 wrote:

mr moonlight wrote:

I do not believe in 3rd party batteries because the OEM are inexpensive vs what the camera costs.

I don't get trying to save $20 when you easily spend upwards of $1,000 or more on gear.

Fuji doesn't make batteries. They just slap their logo on someone else's. So what's the point?

Your money do what you want.

I want to know that if anything happens to the camera that it ever needs a repair I can eliminate a 3rd party battery issue and voiding of any warrantee issues.

It is such a minor expense when you have at minimum over 2K in just a camera and one lens that $20 is that big a deal.

OP has an XE1 so the price difference is around $50 between a Wasabi and Fuji branded one. If he's anything like me and likes to keep around 4 spares for that battery eater, that's almost $200 bucks more.

jack Hoggard
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Re: Third party batteries

After reading this post, I checked for the Wasabi 2 batteries/charger package on Amazon (NP-126), and they are not there.  The batteries alone are backordered until April 12, and there are none at BlueNook - same April 12 date.  There aren't even any on EBay.

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Do Wasabis last as long? Do they quit with no warning?

My Power2000 batteries (albeit for different camera) die quickly and without warning. Is Wasabi better in this regard?

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Digital Shutterbug Senior Member • Posts: 2,081
Re: Third party batteries

goloby wrote:

Not many people from the UK on this forum.

Regarding buying cheaper batteries opposed to OEM ones, same reason why one would by third party lenses really, they can be cheaper and sometimes even better. As someone already stated, Fuji does not make batteries, they could be rebranded wasabis or any other brand. For some people spending 50 pounds on a battery might not be a big deal, some might have struggled to get the money for the camera in the first place, others just will not pay blindly for what they could get cheaper.

The people that advocate only using OEM batteries go throughout life being ripped off every day. As you said, they can't use 3rd party lenses. They are full of electronics that might damage the camera. Same thing for flashes. Memory cards? Back to the OEM because they electronically interface with the camera and might cause problems.

Can you imagine the rest of their lives. What did that car cost? Better not use oil other than that branded by the auto manufacturer. Need parts? Back to the dealer for OEM parts.

Got a lawn mower, leaf blower, edge trimmer? Only oil and parts branded by the OEM. The list goes on and on.

I suspect almost none of these brand advocates adhere to their own advice. If they do, they make a lot more money than I ever made.

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daddyman Regular Member • Posts: 174
Re: Third party batteries

I purchased the Patona battery. They make a point to say developed in Germany, which means manufactured elsewhere. The battery was good for about the 1st 3 months, giving me 90% of the Fuji capacity. In the last 3 months, capacity has degraded to about 40% of the Fuji. I'm going to try Wasabi.

Mike

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Sal Baker Veteran Member • Posts: 9,363
Re: Third party batteries

I bought Watson batteries and charger along with my X-E2 from B&H.  Watson is a B&H house brand so I'm confident that if anything bad happened due to the battery B&H would take care of it.  The batteries perform identically to the the Fuji battery.

The batteries for the Fuji are very basic, no chips or electronics onboard.  That's why the battery meter is so unreliable on these cameras.  Unlike with most DSLRs, there's no advantage to buying the branded version batteries for X-cams.

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alun Forum Member • Posts: 69
Re: Third party batteries

Hi,

My wife and I both use X-E1s and we have purchased 3 ExPro batteries through E-Bay. The same seller also offers them through Amazon UK.

In our experience they perform just as well as the Fuji supplied batteries.

Best wishes,

Alun

EdW66 Forum Member • Posts: 79
Re: Third party batteries

I'm from uk, but bought my xe1 whilst on holiday in orlanda, air shipped from b& h,  and still loads cheaper than "rip off Britain!" Bought 2 spare watson batteries which seen to last as well as the Fuji ones (which doesn't last long anyway compared to my Nikon SLR batteries. I agree you need to be careful with lithium batteries - I teach transport of dangerous goods and lithum is real dodgy stuff, but the Watson brand seems pretty good and I agree a company like B & H which we evenknow of (and look at the prices with envious eyes!) In the uk, will be more than keen to their protect good name, so I'm confident their fine

jm10 Senior Member • Posts: 1,757
Re: Do Wasabis last as long? Do they quit with no warning?

tesilab wrote:

My Power2000 batteries (albeit for different camera) die quickly and without warning. Is Wasabi better in this regard?

Yes, in my experience Wasabi batteries last as long as original batteries - makes no difference. Charge time is also about the same.

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Dick Ginkowski Senior Member • Posts: 1,898
Re: Third party batteries

Digital Shutterbug wrote:

goloby wrote:

Not many people from the UK on this forum.

Regarding buying cheaper batteries opposed to OEM ones, same reason why one would by third party lenses really, they can be cheaper and sometimes even better. As someone already stated, Fuji does not make batteries, they could be rebranded wasabis or any other brand. For some people spending 50 pounds on a battery might not be a big deal, some might have struggled to get the money for the camera in the first place, others just will not pay blindly for what they could get cheaper.

The people that advocate only using OEM batteries go throughout life being ripped off every day. As you said, they can't use 3rd party lenses. They are full of electronics that might damage the camera. Same thing for flashes. Memory cards? Back to the OEM because they electronically interface with the camera and might cause problems.

Can you imagine the rest of their lives. What did that car cost? Better not use oil other than that branded by the auto manufacturer. Need parts? Back to the dealer for OEM parts.

Got a lawn mower, leaf blower, edge trimmer? Only oil and parts branded by the OEM. The list goes on and on.

I suspect almost none of these brand advocates adhere to their own advice. If they do, they make a lot more money than I ever made.

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Good points!  Like anything else, buyer beware and do a little research.  OEM isn't always better, as I noted.  A friend is a regional US service/warranty director for a Japanese auto manufacturer that also builds cars in the U.S.  To realize economies on freight and just in time inventory, there are many U.S. sourced parts on the American built vehicles.  Somewhat to Tokyo's chagrin the American built vehicles have a slightly lower defect rate than their Japanese brothers which he attributes to the third-party parts

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mr moonlight Senior Member • Posts: 1,781
Re: Third party batteries

Digital Shutterbug wrote:

goloby wrote:

Not many people from the UK on this forum.

Regarding buying cheaper batteries opposed to OEM ones, same reason why one would by third party lenses really, they can be cheaper and sometimes even better. As someone already stated, Fuji does not make batteries, they could be rebranded wasabis or any other brand. For some people spending 50 pounds on a battery might not be a big deal, some might have struggled to get the money for the camera in the first place, others just will not pay blindly for what they could get cheaper.

The people that advocate only using OEM batteries go throughout life being ripped off every day. As you said, they can't use 3rd party lenses. They are full of electronics that might damage the camera. Same thing for flashes. Memory cards? Back to the OEM because they electronically interface with the camera and might cause problems.

Can you imagine the rest of their lives. What did that car cost? Better not use oil other than that branded by the auto manufacturer. Need parts? Back to the dealer for OEM parts.

Got a lawn mower, leaf blower, edge trimmer? Only oil and parts branded by the OEM. The list goes on and on.

I suspect almost none of these brand advocates adhere to their own advice. If they do, they make a lot more money than I ever made.

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Steve

For some slapping a Fuji logo on a Sandisk memory card justifies paying twice the price. Some have the money to be more brand loyal, but I for one am quite happy saving over $1K buying 3rd party accessories for my Fuji gear. Cards, batteries, cases, lens hoods, filters, straps, adapters, chargers... it all adds up.

antoineb Veteran Member • Posts: 6,012
Why take the risk to buy non-brands?

goloby wrote:

Hi,

I'm looking to buy a spare battery for my xe1. Amazon has 2 brands that have good reviews and cost 1/4 of a Fuji battery. Anyone here using Maxsima or ex-pro batteries? Or any other brand that you are pleased with.

Thanks,

Sorin

Hi Sorin,

not sure why you seem to think it is worth to take the risk of using non-Fuji batteries?

Here's how I reason about this:

- your investment in the X-E1 and lenses is most certainly over $1'000 (body only is $800).  If your 3rd-party battery blew up (we all know that Li-ion technology is still not as perfect as everyone would like) then the Fuji warranty wouldn't cover anything.

- the Fuji battery for the X-E1 is around $55.  So even if the 3rd-party battery is just 1/4th of this i.e. around $14, you'll be saving only $41.  If you buy two, you'll be saving $82.  And to "save" the $82 you'll be taking a risk that you are with a less safe battery, and more importantly you'll be taking the risk that if anything happens then your warranty will not cover anything.  In other words you seem ready to take a risk on a precious piece of equipment, to make a "saving" of around 5% of the value of that equipment.  Doesn't seem very logical to me.

- and this is even before I start with the value (emotional and potentially commercial) of the photographs taken with that camera, and which might also get lost should a 3-rd party battery blow-up.

But perhaps your logic is different - if so I'd be happy to hear it!

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Sal Baker Veteran Member • Posts: 9,363
Re: Why take the risk to buy non-brands?

antoineb wrote:

goloby wrote:

Hi,

I'm looking to buy a spare battery for my xe1. Amazon has 2 brands that have good reviews and cost 1/4 of a Fuji battery. Anyone here using Maxsima or ex-pro batteries? Or any other brand that you are pleased with.

Thanks,

Sorin

Hi Sorin,

not sure why you seem to think it is worth to take the risk of using non-Fuji batteries?

Here's how I reason about this:

- your investment in the X-E1 and lenses is most certainly over $1'000 (body only is $800). If your 3rd-party battery blew up (we all know that Li-ion technology is still not as perfect as everyone would like) then the Fuji warranty wouldn't cover anything.

- the Fuji battery for the X-E1 is around $55. So even if the 3rd-party battery is just 1/4th of this i.e. around $14, you'll be saving only $41. If you buy two, you'll be saving $82. And to "save" the $82 you'll be taking a risk that you are with a less safe battery, and more importantly you'll be taking the risk that if anything happens then your warranty will not cover anything. In other words you seem ready to take a risk on a precious piece of equipment, to make a "saving" of around 5% of the value of that equipment. Doesn't seem very logical to me.

- and this is even before I start with the value (emotional and potentially commercial) of the photographs taken with that camera, and which might also get lost should a 3-rd party battery blow-up.

But perhaps your logic is different - if so I'd be happy to hear it!

For any of this to matter there would have to be some demonstrated risk.  There has never been any report, anywhere, in the world, of any batteries made for X-cameras, made for Fuji or made for third party companies ever blowing up or causing ANY problems.  The possibility is high that all these batteries are made by one manufacturer as Fuji has a very small market share.

Again, these are very unsophisticated batteries with no special electronics or chips.  They are more like AA batteries than DSLR batteries.  Pay more if you like, but they all have the same chance of blowing up, which as of now is zero.

If I missed reports of blown up third party Fuji batteries please correct me.

Sal

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Re: Why take the risk to buy non-brands?

Sal Baker wrote:

antoineb wrote:

goloby wrote:

Hi,

I'm looking to buy a spare battery for my xe1. Amazon has 2 brands that have good reviews and cost 1/4 of a Fuji battery. Anyone here using Maxsima or ex-pro batteries? Or any other brand that you are pleased with.

Thanks,

Sorin

Hi Sorin,

not sure why you seem to think it is worth to take the risk of using non-Fuji batteries?

Here's how I reason about this:

- your investment in the X-E1 and lenses is most certainly over $1'000 (body only is $800). If your 3rd-party battery blew up (we all know that Li-ion technology is still not as perfect as everyone would like) then the Fuji warranty wouldn't cover anything.

- the Fuji battery for the X-E1 is around $55. So even if the 3rd-party battery is just 1/4th of this i.e. around $14, you'll be saving only $41. If you buy two, you'll be saving $82. And to "save" the $82 you'll be taking a risk that you are with a less safe battery, and more importantly you'll be taking the risk that if anything happens then your warranty will not cover anything. In other words you seem ready to take a risk on a precious piece of equipment, to make a "saving" of around 5% of the value of that equipment. Doesn't seem very logical to me.

- and this is even before I start with the value (emotional and potentially commercial) of the photographs taken with that camera, and which might also get lost should a 3-rd party battery blow-up.

But perhaps your logic is different - if so I'd be happy to hear it!

For any of this to matter there would have to be some demonstrated risk. There has never been any report, anywhere, in the world, of any batteries made for X-cameras, made for Fuji or made for third party companies ever blowing up or causing ANY problems. The possibility is high that all these batteries are made by one manufacturer as Fuji has a very small market share.

Again, these are very unsophisticated batteries with no special electronics or chips. They are more like AA batteries than DSLR batteries. Pay more if you like, but they all have the same chance of blowing up, which as of now is zero.

If I missed reports of blown up third party Fuji batteries please correct me.

Sal

I wouldn't say they were all made by the same manufacturer.  I suspect the cheaper knockoffs are not made by the OEM.  Having said that, I've never had a problem that caused damage to a device, with any aftermarket battery.  I've literally bought hundreds over the years and saved enough to buy the X-T1.  I wish I could say the same with name brand alkaline batteries.  I've had a few of those leak and ruin electronics.

Patrick T. Kelly Veteran Member • Posts: 4,061
Re: Third party batteries

ryan2007 wrote:

I do not believe in 3rd party batteries because the OEM are inexpensive vs what the camera costs.

I don't get trying to save $20 when you easily spend upwards of $1,000 or more on gear.

Apples and oranges unless you're trying to allege that the 3rd party batteries have damaged a camera. I suppose you also use only factory-original camera straps and lens caps. Better safe than sorry, right? And the sky would fall if you used a non-OEM lens.

I wonder who makes Fuji batteries? I'd bet it isn't Fuji and I'd bet profit on the battery is a factor in who they pick as suppliers.

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No Regrets Senior Member • Posts: 1,027
Re: Why take the risk to buy non-brands?

Daniel Lauring wrote:

Sal Baker wrote:

antoineb wrote:

goloby wrote:

Hi,

I'm looking to buy a spare battery for my xe1. Amazon has 2 brands that have good reviews and cost 1/4 of a Fuji battery. Anyone here using Maxsima or ex-pro batteries? Or any other brand that you are pleased with.

Thanks,

Sorin

Hi Sorin,

not sure why you seem to think it is worth to take the risk of using non-Fuji batteries?

Here's how I reason about this:

- your investment in the X-E1 and lenses is most certainly over $1'000 (body only is $800). If your 3rd-party battery blew up (we all know that Li-ion technology is still not as perfect as everyone would like) then the Fuji warranty wouldn't cover anything.

- the Fuji battery for the X-E1 is around $55. So even if the 3rd-party battery is just 1/4th of this i.e. around $14, you'll be saving only $41. If you buy two, you'll be saving $82. And to "save" the $82 you'll be taking a risk that you are with a less safe battery, and more importantly you'll be taking the risk that if anything happens then your warranty will not cover anything. In other words you seem ready to take a risk on a precious piece of equipment, to make a "saving" of around 5% of the value of that equipment. Doesn't seem very logical to me.

- and this is even before I start with the value (emotional and potentially commercial) of the photographs taken with that camera, and which might also get lost should a 3-rd party battery blow-up.

But perhaps your logic is different - if so I'd be happy to hear it!

For any of this to matter there would have to be some demonstrated risk. There has never been any report, anywhere, in the world, of any batteries made for X-cameras, made for Fuji or made for third party companies ever blowing up or causing ANY problems. The possibility is high that all these batteries are made by one manufacturer as Fuji has a very small market share.

Again, these are very unsophisticated batteries with no special electronics or chips. They are more like AA batteries than DSLR batteries. Pay more if you like, but they all have the same chance of blowing up, which as of now is zero.

If I missed reports of blown up third party Fuji batteries please correct me.

Sal

I wouldn't say they were all made by the same manufacturer. I suspect the cheaper knockoffs are not made by the OEM. Having said that, I've never had a problem that caused damage to a device, with any aftermarket battery. I've literally bought hundreds over the years and saved enough to buy the X-T1. I wish I could say the same with name brand alkaline batteries. I've had a few of those leak and ruin electronics.

Hi Daniel,

I just ordered my new X-T1 and would like to pick up some of these Wasabi batteries for it.  Is there a specific model number I should be looking for to be able to work in the X-T1?

Best place to purchase these?

Thanks

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Dick Ginkowski Senior Member • Posts: 1,898
Just go out and buy a couple!

May I suggest getting one or two third party batteries and giving them a try?  If you are really worried, insure your cameras for all perils.  Have fun!

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mr moonlight Senior Member • Posts: 1,781
Re: Why take the risk to buy non-brands?
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antoineb wrote:

goloby wrote:

Hi,

I'm looking to buy a spare battery for my xe1. Amazon has 2 brands that have good reviews and cost 1/4 of a Fuji battery. Anyone here using Maxsima or ex-pro batteries? Or any other brand that you are pleased with.

Thanks,

Sorin

Hi Sorin,

not sure why you seem to think it is worth to take the risk of using non-Fuji batteries?

Here's how I reason about this:

- your investment in the X-E1 and lenses is most certainly over $1'000 (body only is $800). If your 3rd-party battery blew up (we all know that Li-ion technology is still not as perfect as everyone would like) then the Fuji warranty wouldn't cover anything.

- the Fuji battery for the X-E1 is around $55. So even if the 3rd-party battery is just 1/4th of this i.e. around $14, you'll be saving only $41. If you buy two, you'll be saving $82. And to "save" the $82 you'll be taking a risk that you are with a less safe battery, and more importantly you'll be taking the risk that if anything happens then your warranty will not cover anything. In other words you seem ready to take a risk on a precious piece of equipment, to make a "saving" of around 5% of the value of that equipment. Doesn't seem very logical to me.

- and this is even before I start with the value (emotional and potentially commercial) of the photographs taken with that camera, and which might also get lost should a 3-rd party battery blow-up.

But perhaps your logic is different - if so I'd be happy to hear it!

Here's the logic. Let's say your XE2 body+lens kit is $1300 and you're basically paying $82 for insurance when you purchase 2 OEM batteries. If by chance your battery blows in the first year, it will definitely be covered by Fuji's warranty. After the warranty runs out, that advantage is lost so your buying OEM only because you believe the quality is better. If you found a 3rd party battery of equal quality, then there is no advantage after year one.

At the current rate of Photographer's insurance $25 for every $1K (with no deductible) of coverage you're looking at $32.50 a year. That $82 savings will get you over 2 years of coverage on that $1300 camera and they'll pay you for a replacement even if you drop your camera down the stairs.

Also consider what the chances are over your lifetime of a faulty battery destroying your camera and lens knowing that even OEM batteries can fail you. The risk of that is very very low and if it does happen to you, we're talking maybe once? Let's say that over the course of 30 years you buy 15 higher quality cameras at an average of $1300 a pop and you pick up a pair of OEM batteries for an extra $82 for each camera. That additional cost will easily pay for a replacement camera if in the rare event a battery does destroy your camera. If you're like most people, your worst battery experience will be a DOA cell and you'll have an extra $1216 in your pocket. Or you could keep your gear insured the whole time and have a couple bills left over.

If your anything like me, you picked up 4 or 5 spare batteries for each camera so the savings would be substantially higher. No matter which way you look at it, paying $82 for insurance for only one part of your camera simply doesn't make much sense. It's like paying twice the price for full coverage on your car, but only insuring the driver's side front fender.

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