Some say, Pentax DX bodies are SO capable, they blow Nikon FX away...

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35mmBlueSky
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Re: Some say, Pentax DX bodies are SO capable, they blow Nikon FX away...
In reply to Gabor Esperon, 8 months ago

Previous posters have summed it all, opinions are opinions, just like in this forum you would have people who claim their D800s are better than Medium formats when they never had any experience with a medium format in hand to begin with, people just like to speak in a way to justify their own interest. One conclusion: People like to exaggerate their gears they have in hand, regardless of a point and shoot or large format, it's always the one in their hands that's better than others.

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Re: Some say, Pentax DX bodies are SO capable, they blow Nikon FX away...
In reply to 35mmBlueSky, 8 months ago

It's about time for people to realize in the reality, that to achieve the ultimate experience in photography, stop bragging how good your camera is, start questioning how good your actual individual skill/technique is. In the end your camera gear is about how much money you can afford, has nothing to do with one's capability in photography.

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Re: Some say, Pentax DX bodies are SO capable, they blow Nikon FX away...
In reply to samhain, 8 months ago

samhain wrote:

Yeah Pentax fanboys are pretty protective of the brand. But really it's only a handful of die-hard pentaxians that make those kinds of claims. You'll also notice those same guys are aps-c flagwavers/FF haters. There's plenty of those in all camps and I've found them to be the most rabid.

Pentax has a some things going for them-

The first that comes to mind is the 31mm, 43mm & 77mm FA ltd's. Those lenses are truly one of a kind, absolutely beautiful rendering little lenses. ( Lance B will attest to this).

They certainly are beautifull little lenses with superb rendering. However, I think Nikon (and others) have caught up and the 85 f1.4G, Sigma f1.4, Nikon 24 f1.4G are as good if not better now, as far as IQ is concerned, just that they are not as nicely made as the Pentax "three Amigos". I wouldn't mind a 43 f1.9 in Nikon mount. 

Unfortunately- still no digital FF body to mount them on (which is why I left, but still hopeful for a Pentax FF- for those 3 lenses).

The in-body stabilization is also awesome. Not as good as OIS, but being able to mount any K-mount lens(old or new) and have it instantly be stabilized is badass. Fact. If Nikon had it you'd sing it's praises. Especially with old manual lenses on the DF. That body should've had ibis...

Agreed. Why can't Nikon employ both systems?

Pentax bodies also have great ergonomics. The k7/k5 body is the best dslr body I've laid hands on. Compact, boxy and tough. (Not so much the K3).

Agreed.

With all that being said: no way is a Pentax aps-c "blowing away" a Nikon FX. Not happening. It might hang in a few areas (dynamic range, ws, egronomics) but it ain't blowing away the d600/d800/d4/df. They might beat up on Nikon DX, but not FX.

Agreed.

(Now if Pentax actually does bring out a FF, along with new f1.4 lenses & fast ltd lenses, and step up their AF game... Well that's another story).

Agreed.

But really- who cares if one brand makes a camera that can best another in a certain areas? Or what someone says on a forum about your camera. Do your homework and get the best tool for you.

Perfectly put!

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In reply to Grevture, 8 months ago

arachnophilia wrote:

i've met canon fanboys and nikon fanboys, but it seems that nobody has fanboys like pentax has fanboys.

Have you tried arguing with the m43 or Nex crowds?

We have brand fanboys of the Canon, Fujifilm, Leica, Nikon, Olympus, Panasonic, Pentax, Sony flavours. There might even be a few Samsung ones. We also have format fanboys: You know the ones who can get to 150 posts in three hours flat just arguing over depth-of-field differences. The Four Thirds fanboys are always a force to be reckoned with (both the original tribe and the newer m43 branch). There are even a small but fairly arrogant group of medium format snobs who at times reach fanboy status. And we of course have the mirrorless fanboys, if only the sales of mirrorless ever had reached anywhere near the volume of their hate of mirrors ... Then the DSLR truly would be dead. Interestingly Leica fans seem not to consider themselves part of the mirrorless crowd, probably to vulgar, rabble rousing and most of all cheap for their more refined tastes. And we do have the EVF fanboy subdivision who seem to hate anything optical (wonder how they feel about lenses?). There is even a small hardcore ragged band of surviving translucent mirror fanboys, which for some reason the congregate mainly in the Sony Alpha forum.

Then there are prime lens fanboys who would not be caught dead carrying a zoom. There is a larger group with a more liberal view who prefer primes, but who can accept zooms as long are they have a fixed aperture and the zoom range is not to flamboyant. But everybody hate kit zooms. Looking at lenses you also have the Zeiss fan club and the Zuiko lovers, those who can only carry red ring 'L' lenses, and those who love any old lens with manual focus, crappy corners, no coating and which is at least 30 years old - new lenses just don't measure up to lenses made in some vaguely defined golden era.

We have a small but surprisingly loud group of CCD technology fanboys who insist no good sensor has been released in the past 5-8 years (depending on how hard core you are). A common trait among them is their uncanny (but easily disproved) ability to distinguish between images taken with CCD or CMOS sensors by looking at small low res jpegs at Facebook. And we have the Foevon diehards who constantly invent new mathematical formulas to calculate just how much more resolution you really get with Foevon sensors.

Not to mention any names, but have you ever visited a thread opened by some naive newbie asking the seemingly innocent question: "What is raw format good fro anyway?" Flame suits are recommended, and those threads are not for the faint of heart.

But most of all you have a tremendous amount of people who are inverted fanboys: Instead of constantly raving on how excellent this brand/camera typ/sensor size is, they intensely hate and despise something: Canon, moving mirrors, video in DSLR, Adobe, Canon, EVF:s, superzoom lenses, images of cats, DSLR cameras, Canon, camera phones, successful female photographers, raw files, fast frame rates, Apple, high iso settings ... and Canon. (Being the biggest camera brand will make you an irresistible target).

Myself I am completely neutral: I hate just about everything and everybody and I despise all images except the ones taken by me

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In reply to SkvLTD, 8 months ago

I recently made the move from a Pentax K5 to the D800 so have experience of both brands.

To be fair, I haven't seen any significant improvement in high iso images since swapping my K5 for the D800 although the Nikon isn't obviously targeted as a ultra high iso performer. I do honestly miss the ergonomics of Pentax cameras too, it's something they excel at, functionality of the D800 is certainly a little more "clunky" although still perfectly usuable. Live view is a step backwards on the D800 from the K5 due to the maginfication resolution which is quite poor, this is obvioualy a very well known issue with the D800 and certainly not a deal breaker.

On the positive side the D800 resolves an incredible amount of detail which the K5, although good, couldn't get close to. The K5 was a good dynamic range performer but the D800 is simply incredible, still amazed how much shadow detail can be recovered. Lenses are definitely a Pentax weak point, they produce some very high quality ones but far too limited a choice, third party support isn't nearly as good as Nikon either.

Looking at the original post I'd guess the FF vs Pentac crop argument is based more on frustrations of many Pentax owners at the failure of pentax to deliver a FF model, I was one of those and jumped ship as a result.

Simon

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Re: Some say, Pentax DX bodies are SO capable, they blow Nikon FX away...
In reply to 35mmBlueSky, 8 months ago

35mmBlueSky wrote:

It's about time for people to realize in the reality, that to achieve the ultimate experience in photography, stop bragging how good your camera is, start questioning how good your actual individual skill/technique is. In the end your camera gear is about how much money you can afford, has nothing to do with one's capability in photography.

Spoken with great wisdom! (no sarcasm)

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