a6000 External Flash?

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a6000 External Flash?
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I am looking for an external flash (preferably not so large) for my future a6000, that will have all bounce capabilities + TTL. Any good flashes out there that might be compatible and not too pricy?

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Do you need to be able to bounce off the ceiling in portrait position?

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Nissin i40 looks like a good match, but it has just been released (is Sony version coming later?) and there's not a lot of information about it yet.

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I'm no flash expert but people seemed to be fairly excited about this one Nissin i40

It's been linked a few times on this forum like here.

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As far as I know, these requirements are currently mutually exclusive.

The HVL-F20M is not large, does simple bounce, and provides TTL. It's not cheap, but not too pricey. It does not do "all bounce options."

To get more bounce options (90 degrees left or right, plus up), and TTL, you need to go to kind of large, and somewhat pricey: HVL-F43M.

I'm not sure which of the TTL flashes will support "all" bounce options.

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If you need "all bounce capabilities" your options are limited.  If you refuse to use a shoe adapter, your options are limited even further.    If all of the above is true, you will need to use the Sony HVL-F43M flash.  If you do not mind adapters, you can use the HVL-F43AM, or the HVL-F58AM as they have the same "all bounce capabilities" as the HVL-43M.

I personally do not have an issue using the flash shoe adapter.  The Sony adapter is pretty short and works very well.

You did not mention wireless, or remote flash capability.  I have been using the Phottix Odin TTL remote triggers and I think they are the best way to go.   You can pair them (or the Pixel King TTL triggers) with any older Sony, or Minolta flash as long as it was designed for Digital.  All Sony flashes are full digital, while only the Minolta 3600HSD and 5600HSD are.  These two minolta flashes are the same as the original Sony flashes (HVL-F36AM, and HVL-F56AM).

You can get a set of remote TTL triggers and an older flash for the same price as the HVL-43M and it will be a much more versatile setup.

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Cherylynne1 wrote:

Do you need to be able to bounce off the ceiling in portrait position?

Yes

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JurijTurnsek wrote:

Nissin i40 looks like a good match, but it has just been released (is Sony version coming later?) and there's not a lot of information about it yet.

Will an adapter be needed with the Nissin i40?

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kcamacho11 wrote:

Cherylynne1 wrote:

Do you need to be able to bounce off the ceiling in portrait position?

Yes

better check to make sure that the sony flashes will do p-ttl/adi when the head is pointed straight up, if you need it... i'm pretty sure that the hvl-f60m won't do it.

the fix is to use a flash bracket that lays the flash unit sideways, then rotate the head facing up??

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kcamacho11 wrote:

JurijTurnsek wrote:

Nissin i40 looks like a good match, but it has just been released (is Sony version coming later?) and there's not a lot of information about it yet.

Will an adapter be needed with the Nissin i40?

sony version seems to have a June release date

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What would be the point of TTL/ADI in bounce mode?

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JurijTurnsek wrote:

Nissin i40 looks like a good match, but it has just been released (is Sony version coming later?) and there's not a lot of information about it yet.

Will an adapter be needed with the Nissin i40?

No.

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What would be the point of TTL/ADI in bounce mode?

same as it would be when it's pointed right at the subject.

i have a flash bouncer that i made years ago, that attaches to the flash, which means that it only works when the flash points straight up, because it re-directs all of the light forward.

since i'm losing relatively little light with it, p-ttl/adi could still make a difference.

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What would be the point of TTL/ADI in bounce mode?

Because it still works?

As far as I know, only HSS will not work when in a bounce orientation.

It is possible that when it bounce mode only TTL works, and not ADI.  That could also depend on the camera and the flash.

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I am not sure TTL actually works with bounce. In fact, it wouldn't make sense to do TTL metering for what is indirect lighting.

HSS ofcourse does not either.

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EinsteinsGhost wrote:

What would be the point of TTL/ADI in bounce mode?

Because it still works?

As far as I know, only HSS will not work when in a bounce orientation.

no hss means no ttl.

the flash automatically reverts to x-sync speed max when the head is pointed upwards.

which means that on the a7r you would only get ttl up to 1/160th... pointing the flash upwards basically cripples the camera, the shutter won't go beyond 1/160th, period.

i don't recall ever having that problem with pentax.

adi only works with lenses that have distance encoders, so i guess that means only the very latest sony glass(??).

you lose adi entirely when the flash is wired up off-camera.

lots of limitations with the sony flash system.

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I am not sure TTL actually works with bounce. In fact, it wouldn't make sense to do TTL metering for what is indirect lighting.

it wouldn't make sense to use ttl if you were bouncing off of the ceiling, but using a local bounce mounted on the flash itself is a completely different situation.

try it sometime, it's much better than using one of those baffles that fits over the flash head.

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EinsteinsGhost wrote:

I am not sure TTL actually works with bounce. In fact, it wouldn't make sense to do TTL metering for what is indirect lighting.

it wouldn't make sense to use ttl if you were bouncing off of the ceiling, but using a local bounce mounted on the flash itself is a completely different situation.

try it sometime, it's much better than using one of those baffles that fits over the flash head.

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I was indeed talking about bouncing off the ceiling in that position (straight up).

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symbology wrote:

EinsteinsGhost wrote:

What would be the point of TTL/ADI in bounce mode?

Because it still works?

As far as I know, only HSS will not work when in a bounce orientation.

no hss means no ttl.

the flash automatically reverts to x-sync speed max when the head is pointed upwards.

which means that on the a7r you would only get ttl up to 1/160th... pointing the flash upwards basically cripples the camera, the shutter won't go beyond 1/160th, period.

i don't recall ever having that problem with pentax.

adi only works with lenses that have distance encoders, so i guess that means only the very latest sony glass(??).

you lose adi entirely when the flash is wired up off-camera.

lots of limitations with the sony flash system.

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"no hss means no ttl."

Are you sure?

HSS does not work because with the higher SS there really is not enough light to bounce off of anything anyway. I can also see why ADI would not longer work.

TTL has always worked as far as I can tell. I have been able to bounce off of walls and ceilings using TTL.  Depending on what I am bouncing off of, flash exposure compensation might be required. That is an easy adjustment to make.

One of the great things about using the Odin's is I get HSS while the flash is in any bounce orientation. I really, really like the Odin's. I set my flashes on TTL and HSS and I just shoot away. If needed, any flash output adjustment can be made on the Odin, or on the camera by way of flash exposure compensation.

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I pre-ordered the A6000 then the HVL-F20S flash that have already received. I will be doing some closeup work with the SEL30M35 lens where getting the flash off the camera is a must. Found this cheap Vello brand, Sony Alpha flash cord 1-meter coiled adaptor for $20 with hot shoe adaptors at each end and am wondering if anyone here has something to say?

http://www.amazon.com/Vello-TTL-Off-Camera-Flash-Alpha-Series/dp/B0055P3RQO

These kind of cord adaptors are just simple one to one wire connections but are notorious for becoming intermittent. The Sony FA-CC1AM plus FA-CS1M do the same thing for a hundred bucks with no doubt quality contacts.

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