Kelby has gone too far now - Launches Canon In Action Tour.

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In reply to MarkJH, 5 months ago

Good points, but I think we can argue Nikon always was weak at marketing. Canon always has been brilliant there. If I had a dime for every Canon shooter I know who, once a bit further in their knowledge, realized that Nikon might have been better for them but they bought because of the ads and regret it, I'd have a shiny new 5Dmk III - JUST KIDDING. Nikon often has better products.... I remember when, going out on landscape trips, in the D2X days a Nikon user was about as rare as common sense and no bashing in the forums, but once the D3/D700/D300 era came, that changed rapidly and quickly - yet there really wasn't any specific marketing campaign from Nikon that I can recall that drove that change. The products were a leap better than the dreck from the early Nikon DSLR days when Canon was kicking their rumps at anything above ISO 100.01

However, Nikon doesn't get a free pass either. Their change to the damned picture controls was poorly done - while I totally love the flexibility of them, the Nikon default choices really blew for skin tones, and should have been MUCH better. Even today I don't think Nikon skin tones work well with Adobe software and Canon out of box skin tone is easier to get where you generally want it, with most raw converters. The service stories from Nikon I hear, particularly out of the west coast are scary (disclaimer: all my service from Nikon done in Melville has been positive). But Nikon is still competitive with Canon even though their marketing isn't close to being as good. Now, what occurs once Canon finally gets a better sensor plant going and produces sensors that don't send the shadows into hell at base ISO compared to the Nikon 800E , well, that might make things very interesting, and perhaps scary, for Nikon. But I can't predict the future.

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I can see the power struggle between Nik and Can, but Sony? Sony's been in a daze with all that mirrorless nonsense and allowed their flagship to become seriously outdated and dusted. Can't see anyone saying that it's top game these days.

Now wait a minute. Nikon has only the D4, DF and D610 since the a99 and they are the same old sensors. I know Nikon is still king of the hill but I love my a99 I just don't need four versions of it.

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In reply to JaPu, 5 months ago

I'm surprised nobody has commented on the wisdom of buying electronics (including camera gear) with the expectation of any kind of residual value. With this kind of thing, if it's worth more than 50 bucks after a year or two, you're in luck. Don't count on it.

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In reply to G3User, 5 months ago

I'm surprised it took you this long. I thought the man was an annoying jack-ass salesman long before all this happened. He has nothing to offer that is of value to me.

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Re: Used to be ken Rockwell now it is Scott Kelby.
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Some of you guys are pathetic. Yeah we all should stop buying his books because he shoots Canon now. If that is the case, it makes sense for him to switch because Canon has more shooters than Nikon.

His switch is not even worthy of discussion. Now I know why we have people like David koresh. We have bunch of followers and brand blindness especially in this Nikon forum.

I never knew Koresh was a Nikon guy!

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Also, DXO marks say that he was not telling the truth when he said that the 1Dx was better than the D4. Nikon DXO marks clearly trump Canon's.

DXO only says that within the criterias set by DXO, D4 has a better sensor than 1DX. DXO never said D4 is a better camera than 1DX, if you suggest that then you are distorting what DXO is saying.

1DX has an arguable better, and less problematic AF than D4, faster burst, higher resolution, better video, for more or less the same money, so why can he not say 1DX is better?

FWIW, I own D600 and Nikon lenses, but I would get 1DX over D4 or D4s.

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In reply to ultimitsu, 5 months ago

Surely, the Canon's biggest "claim to fame" is that it has been designed to accept those fantastic Nikon lenses...

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I can see the power struggle between Nik and Can, but Sony? Sony's been in a daze with all that mirrorless nonsense and allowed their flagship to become seriously outdated and dusted. Can't see anyone saying that it's top game these days.

Well the a99 are not outdated compared to D800. The D800 were announced in February 2012 and the Sony A99 in September 2012. So it must be the D800 thats outdated? But maybe you have another explanation.

Btw. The ILC's are really good cameras. Especially A7 and A7r. And yes I have an outdated Sony A900 but it still is just as good or nearly IQ wise as a D3X or better than the 5DMk III that is in the shooting I does. Low iso landscape.

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Is look at the OP's posting history and then check his gallery; he (she?) has absolutely no right to criticize anyone or their work.

Unbelievable the crap that some people post on these forums.

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thelenspainter wrote:

I'm surprised nobody has commented on the wisdom of buying electronics (including camera gear) with the expectation of any kind of residual value. With this kind of thing, if it's worth more than 50 bucks after a year or two, you're in luck. Don't count on it.

That's funny, I saw six year-old D3s selling for $1,800 on ebay and I just sold a 5 year old 85 1.4D lens for 75% of it's original purchase price.

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MarkJh said earlier in this thread:

If Nikon can't market its way out of a paper bag, we're all in trouble. If they don't sell cameras, we don't get new and better; if they don't sell cameras, what we've got declines in value. I'm not suggesting that Scott Kelby's whim suddenly turns my Nikon gear to dust; but I am saying that a big system is an investment, in part, in the future. So while Kelby's switch doesn't mean much to me directly, or today, it's the kind of thing that could mean a lot for the equipment Nikon is able to offer a generation or two from now.

I think this is the important point. I do think this stuff goes in cycles, or can. I remember when the D3 arrived and all of a sudden the NFL sidelines went from almost zero Nikons to almost 50% Nikons rapidly.

But things are different now and I don't know if the cycle repeats as it's not just Coke & Pepsi anymore. If you visit the Fuji forum, there are lots of threads of folks dumping Nikon gear for the X system (many to save weight, but most of them are more than happy with the image quality). People who used to shoot DLSR are using iPhones and creating art with them, Olympus micro 4/3rds have the image quality of a 2007 D3, Lumix, Pentax are all in the game.

So I think both Canon and Nikon have a lot to lose at the less-than-top-end of the market. At the $1000 to $,1500 range for a body, why buy nikon now? I'm not sure as the Fuji APS-C system has fantastic glass, the Olympus OM-D are getting fantastic reviews, the Sony's are looking good if they flesh out their lens line.  Heck, the Image quality of my x100s is better than my old D3 with a 35mm lens.

So if Nikon loses the serious amateur marketshare, what happens? If Fuji or Olympus take their AF to a D4 level and offer 15fps, what happens?

Even with Canon's better marketing, they need to watch out too. I often re-read this hilarious piece by Zach Arias "... a camera walks into a bar".

Full article here:

http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/fuji-x100s-review-a-camera-walks-into-a-bar/

Excerpt: "Sony and Olympus share glances and mumble something about the wizard losing his potion. 'Hey, at least we aren’t those two a**holes over there.' as they point to Canon and Nikon.

Canon and Nikon. They’re the two old men at the bar who are always arguing. You can’t tell if they’re the best of friends, brothers, or sworn enemies. Either way, there they sit… every night… arguing and arguing and arguing. One says he can drive a car faster. One says he got laid at the ’84 Olympics far more than the other. The other talks about how big his lens is. The only thing they ever agree on is they are both sick and tired of all the young kids in the bar these days taking their space. You get a feeling that if they just melded into one the world would be better for it. Please don’t get either one started about iPhone and her friend Instagr.am.

The article goes on, but the 'two old men at the bar' metaphor seems so apt.

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In reply to G3User, 5 months ago

Kelby must be a famous person I missed to know (it almost sounds like he is your child?).

In any case I think there are far more important things for Nikon’s image.

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SVPhotography wrote:

Put it this way - if Canon offered you a couple of 1Dxs with any lens you want to go with it for free - wouldn't you switch?

I don't know about others but I probably would, preferably if one of those 1DX was actually a 5DIII. I wouldn't like to only have that big and heavy camera all the time. But more important, if this actually happened, I would never give anything but the real reason I use the Canon cameras, if anyone asks. I would have a disclaimer for any camera recommendation I make.

By the way I'm not saying the person this thread is about (whoever that is, sorry I don't know him) does anything unethical. I have no idea whether he does or doesn't.

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In reply to anotherMike, 5 months ago

I thought he switched for the wheel first and then skin tone. Are you serious??

These are all meketting gimmicks by a large margin not remotely meaningful material. Who is he kidding!! From his info-commercial syle announcement to his deceptive reasoning one should wonder. I am certain some would buy into his departure as a loss for Nikon which is doubtful in long term.

Nikon needs to invest in product QA and customer relations. Offer more lenses and bring cameras that people want to buy rather than Nikon wants to sell. Scott who..??

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Product reviews are journalistic functions, and this is all about journalistic integrity.  and by their very nature assumed to be impartial. As a journalist, I was shocked to hear of Kelby's association with Canon. Here's why:

Kelby is part trainer, and a good one at that. He's also part entertainer, and not so good one at that. Training is all about techniques, and the fact he tries to make it interesting with some entertainment mixed in is fine and effective, albeit mostly corny.

Where he crosses the line is if he is on a product's payroll and continues to attempt to function as a reviewer of like products. It's disingenuous, to say the least. Any reviews he publishes in the future should, in bold face, start with, "Disclosure: I am on the payroll of Canon, and as such endorse their products." In my opinion, if he does not disclose, that's got to tell you something.

Look at it another way. Many of us rely on dpreview.com prior to making purchases. I'm there now deciding on upgrading from my D300 to 800e. For several months, I've pored over tons of reviews, but rely more on this site than any other, and it's highly complimentary of the 800e. How would I feel if I bought it, then found out later the site is actually a shill for Nikon?

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Cogset wrote:

MarkJh said earlier in this thread:

If Nikon can't market its way out of a paper bag, we're all in trouble. If they don't sell cameras, we don't get new and better; if they don't sell cameras, what we've got declines in value. I'm not suggesting that Scott Kelby's whim suddenly turns my Nikon gear to dust; but I am saying that a big system is an investment, in part, in the future. So while Kelby's switch doesn't mean much to me directly, or today, it's the kind of thing that could mean a lot for the equipment Nikon is able to offer a generation or two from now.

I think this is the important point. I do think this stuff goes in cycles, or can. I remember when the D3 arrived and all of a sudden the NFL sidelines went from almost zero Nikons to almost 50% Nikons rapidly.

But things are different now and I don't know if the cycle repeats as it's not just Coke & Pepsi anymore. If you visit the Fuji forum, there are lots of threads of folks dumping Nikon gear for the X system (many to save weight, but most of them are more than happy with the image quality). People who used to shoot DLSR are using iPhones and creating art with them, Olympus micro 4/3rds have the image quality of a 2007 D3, Lumix, Pentax are all in the game.

So I think both Canon and Nikon have a lot to lose at the less-than-top-end of the market. At the $1000 to $,1500 range for a body, why buy nikon now? I'm not sure as the Fuji APS-C system has fantastic glass, the Olympus OM-D are getting fantastic reviews, the Sony's are looking good if they flesh out their lens line. Heck, the Image quality of my x100s is better than my old D3 with a 35mm lens.

So if Nikon loses the serious amateur marketshare, what happens? If Fuji or Olympus take their AF to a D4 level and offer 15fps, what happens?

Even with Canon's better marketing, they need to watch out too. I often re-read this hilarious piece by Zach Arias "... a camera walks into a bar".

Full article here:

http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/fuji-x100s-review-a-camera-walks-into-a-bar/

Excerpt: "Sony and Olympus share glances and mumble something about the wizard losing his potion. 'Hey, at least we aren’t those two a**holes over there.' as they point to Canon and Nikon.

Canon and Nikon. They’re the two old men at the bar who are always arguing. You can’t tell if they’re the best of friends, brothers, or sworn enemies. Either way, there they sit… every night… arguing and arguing and arguing. One says he can drive a car faster. One says he got laid at the ’84 Olympics far more than the other. The other talks about how big his lens is. The only thing they ever agree on is they are both sick and tired of all the young kids in the bar these days taking their space. You get a feeling that if they just melded into one the world would be better for it. Please don’t get either one started about iPhone and her friend Instagr.am.

The article goes on, but the 'two old men at the bar' metaphor seems so apt.

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Indeed, it is not just Canon-versus-Nikon, the two "old" competitors. One wonders whether another player might tip the apple cart.

Personally, well, going forward, there are both Canon and Nikkor lenses and flashguns on my personal road map, as new-item purchases, in 2014 and early 2015. I tend to use cropped-frame Canons, and FX and 35mm Nikons. One of my mentors, my wife, shoots with Nikon; the other, a colleague, shoots with Canon. I does not matter, to me, what Scott Kelby uses.

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My favourite quote from the film.

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Scott is more of a graphic designer. I looked at his images and I can tell that they are all almost like surreal. I would still learn from his photoshop expertise. As far as camera skills, Im not very impress. The more I look at the works of real gurus of photography the more I can tell that it is in the eye of the photographer that makes the image. I think I will stick to what I have right now and decide later when I get a lot better at my chops so I can decide wisely if ever I would switch to other brand.

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Scott denied that it had nothing to do with the money when he changed to Canon from Nikon. Now it's evident he was not telling the truth. Today, he announced the launch of a Canon fan boy tour. Also, DXO marks say that he was not telling the truth when he said that the 1Dx was better than the D4. Nikon DXO marks clearly trump Canon's. What a joke Scott Kelby. I no longer subscribe to your videos or watch your pod-casts.

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When they say, "It's not about the money...", it's usually about the money.

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G3User wrote:

Scott denied that it had nothing to do with the money when he changed to Canon from Nikon. Now it's evident he was not telling the truth. Today, he announced the launch of a Canon fan boy tour. Also, DXO marks say that he was not telling the truth when he said that the 1Dx was better than the D4. Nikon DXO marks clearly trump Canon's. What a joke Scott Kelby. I no longer subscribe to your videos or watch your pod-casts.

Hi!

When they say, "It's not about the money...", it's usually about the money.

He is also quite the spammer. I unsubscribed to all his lists and I still get email from him.

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