D800 vs Hassy

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D800 vs Hassy
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I thought you Nikon guys might be interested in this from The Camera Store:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UBTE4xpvpk

The D800 does better than I thought it would.

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In reply to dmanthree, 6 months ago

Interesting comparison. For 1/3 the price the Nikon is a bargain. Sort of like a Porsche Cayman against a Ferrari 458. For 95% of the time, the Cayman is just as good. Bottom line as said by the photographer, " clients don't want us showing up with the same camera they have!". Ego ( and money ) drives everything.

P.S. I use to shoot 90% of the time with Hasselblads.

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I sold my Hasselblad after getting the the D800 and have not looked back, great camera.

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Interesting comparison. For 1/3 the price the Nikon is a bargain. Sort of like a Porsche Cayman against a Ferrari 458. For 95% of the time, the Cayman is just as good. Bottom line as said by the photographer, " clients don't want us showing up with the same camera they have!". Ego ( and money ) drives everything.

P.S. I use to shoot 90% of the time with Hasselblads.

What I would have liked to have seen, since the Nikon is so strong with shadow noise and detail, is to underexpose the Nikon, and see how the highlights pull back. Yes, when you overexpose it blows out. At some point, all things do, digital or film. But why not take advantage of the Nikon's strengths to overcome that very minor shortcoming? Still, overall, the D800 showed very well.

And, like the shooter admitted, they need to have "bigger and more expensive" cameras than the hobbyists that show up at shoots.

Lame.

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I sold my Hasselblad after getting the the D800 and have not looked back, great camera.

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I think if it could tether, and the shooter really learned how to use it to it's strengths, they'd have no problem producing saleable images. Then again, they need bigger and more expensive cameras to separate them from the hobbyists, right?

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About whether an impressive Hasseblad is needed in applications where results are similar to a D800 ...

For well-informed clients, no.

For poorly-informed clients (but with checkbooks), yes.

I guess some photographers get to a point where they turn down jobs because a client (aka boss) is poorly-informed about equipment.

Being right doesn't pay the rent unless you've reached the level of famous diva-tographer.

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About whether an impressive Hasseblad is needed in applications where results are similar to a D800 ...

For well-informed clients, no.

For poorly-informed clients (but with checkbooks), yes.

I guess some photographers get to a point where they turn down jobs because a client (aka boss) is poorly-informed about equipment.

Being right doesn't pay the rent unless you've reached the level of famous diva-tographer.

I imagine if the job called for some work that required an ISO higher than 200, the choice would be really simple. I was surprised at how noisy the Hassy was. Not even in the same class as my GH3, it seems. For that kind of money I'd expect better.

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The D800 can be tethered now!
In reply to dmanthree, 6 months ago

To lightroom. I shoot with a D700 tethered to my Macbook Pro. Wonderful experience. Sure beats waiting for a minute and a half waiting for a Polaroid. I only wish my Olympus OMD-E5 could be shot tethered!

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Completely worthless. D800 can't be tethered, D800 has more shadow DR, Hassy has more highlight DR, RAW converter used, etc.

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Weegee wrote:

Interesting comparison. For 1/3 the price the Nikon is a bargain. Sort of like a Porsche Cayman against a Ferrari 458. For 95% of the time, the Cayman is just as good. Bottom line as said by the photographer, " clients don't want us showing up with the same camera they have!". Ego ( and money ) drives everything.

P.S. I use to shoot 90% of the time with Hasselblads.

The only exception would be if you can take a snap that would WOW the client, even if it's with their own camera. They pay for presentation and expertise, after all.

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dmanthree wrote:

Weegee wrote:

Interesting comparison. For 1/3 the price the Nikon is a bargain. Sort of like a Porsche Cayman against a Ferrari 458. For 95% of the time, the Cayman is just as good. Bottom line as said by the photographer, " clients don't want us showing up with the same camera they have!". Ego ( and money ) drives everything.

P.S. I use to shoot 90% of the time with Hasselblads.

What I would have liked to have seen, since the Nikon is so strong with shadow noise and detail, is to underexpose the Nikon, and see how the highlights pull back. Yes, when you overexpose it blows out. At some point, all things do, digital or film. But why not take advantage of the Nikon's strengths to overcome that very minor shortcoming? Still, overall, the D800 showed very well.

And, like the shooter admitted, they need to have "bigger and more expensive" cameras than the hobbyists that show up at shoots.

Lame.

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dmanthree wrote:

Bunza wrote:

About whether an impressive Hasseblad is needed in applications where results are similar to a D800 ...

For well-informed clients, no.

For poorly-informed clients (but with checkbooks), yes.

I guess some photographers get to a point where they turn down jobs because a client (aka boss) is poorly-informed about equipment.

Being right doesn't pay the rent unless you've reached the level of famous diva-tographer.

I imagine if the job called for some work that required an ISO higher than 200, the choice would be really simple. I was surprised at how noisy the Hassy was. Not even in the same class as my GH3, it seems. For that kind of money I'd expect better.

The new Hasseblad with the Sony CMOS sensor should be much better at higher ISOs

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MPA1 wrote:

dmanthree wrote:

Weegee wrote:

Interesting comparison. For 1/3 the price the Nikon is a bargain. Sort of like a Porsche Cayman against a Ferrari 458. For 95% of the time, the Cayman is just as good. Bottom line as said by the photographer, " clients don't want us showing up with the same camera they have!". Ego ( and money ) drives everything.

P.S. I use to shoot 90% of the time with Hasselblads.

What I would have liked to have seen, since the Nikon is so strong with shadow noise and detail, is to underexpose the Nikon, and see how the highlights pull back. Yes, when you overexpose it blows out. At some point, all things do, digital or film. But why not take advantage of the Nikon's strengths to overcome that very minor shortcoming? Still, overall, the D800 showed very well.

And, like the shooter admitted, they need to have "bigger and more expensive" cameras than the hobbyists that show up at shoots.

Lame.

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I was just parroting the shooter's comments from the video. His words, not mine.

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CFynn wrote:

dmanthree wrote:

Bunza wrote:

About whether an impressive Hasseblad is needed in applications where results are similar to a D800 ...

For well-informed clients, no.

For poorly-informed clients (but with checkbooks), yes.

I guess some photographers get to a point where they turn down jobs because a client (aka boss) is poorly-informed about equipment.

Being right doesn't pay the rent unless you've reached the level of famous diva-tographer.

I imagine if the job called for some work that required an ISO higher than 200, the choice would be really simple. I was surprised at how noisy the Hassy was. Not even in the same class as my GH3, it seems. For that kind of money I'd expect better.

The new Hasseblad with the Sony CMOS sensor should be much better at higher ISOs

Is it a "full frame 645" sensor? Is there a crop factor for that format?

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Completely worthless. D800 can't be tethered, D800 has more shadow DR, Hassy has more highlight DR, RAW converter used, etc.

What I took away from it was that the Hassy is a nice system crying for a decent sensor. The poor noise performance of that can severely limits its use. It's useful under controlled conditions, but that's about it.

If both systems were the same price, I'd take the D800. With the price discrepancy, it's a no brainer.

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While interesting, this video was published 2 years ago so improvements in the Hasselblad line may make the comparison less valid.

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It's interesting to note that D800 shooters brag about their camera, but please note we're comparing the "best" 35mm sensor vs really long in the tooth digital backs, or simply put, entry level digital backs.

We rarelly see any comparison against the DMF big guns, like the 80mp full frame 645 sensor (Phase One IQ180, for example).

It has wonderful performance at base ISO, and a really distinct look, that only DMF can achieve.

It's important to note that those 22, 40 mp MF sensors are no longer their flagship models for a long, long time.

In fact, I might add something I've said before on these forums...

I shoot with a stone-age, 22mp Leaf Aptus back, and despite the fact it's ancient technology, limited ISO range, and the worst LCD ever made, whenever you feed this back the right conditions for it to shine, you'll be rewarded with an IQ that even the D800 cannot touch.

Don't get me wrong, not trolling here, but it'd be nice if 35mm shooters have actually used DMF cameras, before trashing those backs.

They're limited in ISO range? Sure, but that does not make them any inferior for the intended applications you'd expect a DB to be used.

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Ii see they perpetuated the lie that the Hasselblad produces 16 bits.  It does not.  The CCD Hasselblad produces 12.  The Nikon produces 14.  The CMOS Hasselblad produces 14 and a fraction.

There is no camera made today that produces 16 bits natively.

And these are the guys doing the "testing"?

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dmanthree wrote:

I thought you Nikon guys might be interested in this from The Camera Store:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UBTE4xpvpk

The D800 does better than I thought it would.

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Seen this before, they come off so pretentious in this. Like another poster said in this thread, they really should have looked further into the fact the D800 owns the shadows; whereas the hassy owns the highlights, by underexposing both as well and showing this. They only tried to pull back highlights which painted the hassy in a good light. The Hassy is an extremely specialized, do one thing tool, and it costs more than an organ. Enough said.

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dmanthree wrote:

CFynn wrote:

dmanthree wrote:

Bunza wrote:

About whether an impressive Hasseblad is needed in applications where results are similar to a D800 ...

For well-informed clients, no.

For poorly-informed clients (but with checkbooks), yes.

I guess some photographers get to a point where they turn down jobs because a client (aka boss) is poorly-informed about equipment.

Being right doesn't pay the rent unless you've reached the level of famous diva-tographer.

I imagine if the job called for some work that required an ISO higher than 200, the choice would be really simple. I was surprised at how noisy the Hassy was. Not even in the same class as my GH3, it seems. For that kind of money I'd expect better.

The new Hasseblad with the Sony CMOS sensor should be much better at higher ISOs

Is it a "full frame 645" sensor? Is there a crop factor for that format?

It's a 33x44mm sensor.

Wait a couple of weeks for the Pentax 645D-II.  We're expecting it to have the same sensor for around $10k.  If that happens, Pentax will undersell Phase and Hasselblad by more than $20,000 for the same imager.

And remember, implementing the Exmor is not the same as implementing the older CCD.  The Exmor chip has a digital output.  The "look" is already in the sensor.  Whereas the CCD had analog outputs, and the quality of the file was often a function of how well the analog and A-D sections were designed.  So I don't expect the Pentax will look much different from its more expensive competitors.

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