A7R with Samyang 14mm f/2.8 Samples

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A7R with Samyang 14mm f/2.8 Samples
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From Paradise Island, Bahamas. This is a decent UWA solution for the A7/R.

These can be viewed at full resolution along with some others on my Flickr stream below.

C&C welcome.

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These are very, very nice.  Is this the e-mount version?

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Great images, and good to see some full-size samples from this lens.

The Samyang looks very impressive. Thanks for posting these!

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These are very, very nice. Is this the e-mount version?

Thanks maxuci. Yes, it is the e-mount. It is identical to the nikon and canon versions, except it is a bit longer because it has the adapter space built in. I have the e-mount in my Samyang 85mm too. It's nice not to have to worry about adapters.

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H,

Beautiful shots ! Have also been considering it for A7r.

Where did you buy it ?

Did you apply any pp fixes on these posted pics for its known distortion and/or vignetting ? If you did, what did you use and how --what degree of coverage loss did you find if corrected for distortion ?

How about performance -- it has gotten literally raves for center area performance, how about overall image ? These certainly look super. Have you used it for any interiors, or building shots ?

How do you feel about the size, weight, balance, and focus feel ? I myself am not discouraged by going for a larger lens if it gives me the image quality I seek (and can afford).

As far as functionality - does the lens interact at all aperture wise, or focus confirmation wise, or is it totally devoid of any interaction with the A7r ? And importantly, how did that affect your ease and enjoyment of its use ?

Thanx, and try and post some more of your exc. pics with it.

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In reply to Chrisd999, 9 months ago

These are outstanding images from the combo.

I love my UWA lenses but my M wides don't play well with the Sony bodies. The color shift at the edges was very present in every instance. Not a deal breaker as I happen to shoot a great deal for monochromes.

Nevertheless, it would be nice to get a wide that plays nicely with the A7R.

Can you please confirm that you saw NO COLOUR shifts or smearing (magenta, green or yellow) with this Samyang? Much appreciated. I look forward to seeing more images from this pairing.

David
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Ben Raven wrote:

H,

Beautiful shots ! Have also been considering it for A7r.

Where did you buy it ?

B&H - about $350

Did you apply any pp fixes on these posted pics for its known distortion and/or vignetting ? If you did, what did you use and how --what degree of coverage loss did you find if corrected for distortion ?

I PP'd using Photomatix (from 3 images) and LR5.3. I used a common lens profile in LR (for this lens) to correct for the known mustache distortion (which is a complex type of barrel distortion in the centre of the image), but nothing to correct the edge colours or smearing which are not a problem (unlike RF UWA lenses), and there was no vignetting at f8-f16 where I was using this. I have tested the rangefinder lenses on the A7R and this has none of those magenta edges or smearing. Samyang 14mm lens image quality on the A7R is exactly same as on a regular FF DSLR.

How about performance -- it has gotten literally raves for center area performance, how about overall image ? These certainly look super. Have you used it for any interiors, or building shots ?

Performance is excellent at f8-f16 where I use this lens for wider DOF anyway. It's not usable at f2.8, and just okay at f4. It gets very sharp around at around f5.6. My challenge with this lens is to get sharp edges and corners, which is a bit tricky, but doable. Composing with MF assist (magnification) in Liveview, certainly makes it easy. The distance scales on the Samyang lenses are notorious for being off, so I compose with MF assist in Liveview on the near foreground points of interest, and choose f8 to f16 depending on how critical the background sharpness is.

How do you feel about the size, weight, balance, and focus feel ? I myself am not discouraged by going for a larger lens if it gives me the image quality I seek (and can afford).

It's a bit large on the A7/R, but compared to some other good UWA adapted lenses like the Nikon 14-24 or Alpha 16-35 or Canon 17-40 or 16-35 it is a lot smaller and much, much lighter. Unfortunately Samyang has not tailored these lenses for the mirrorless cameras, and instead just added hollow section of length at the mount end to account for the difference in focal plane to mount distances between the camera formats. Anyway, the size doesn't really bother me. When I want small I'll take the FE 35.

As far as functionality - does the lens interact at all aperture wise, or focus confirmation wise, or is it totally devoid of any interaction with the A7r ? And importantly, how did that affect your ease and enjoyment of its use ?

No the lens has no electronic contacts at all, so it's manual all the way. The A7/R will expose automatically in A, S, or M mode (with auto-ISO) if you let it. I prefer to go all manual (including ISO) and monitor the meter reading in the camera and adjust if required. Focus confirmation is done by focus peaking if you like, but with f8 and higher apertures focus peaking falls apart, which is why I use the MF assist (magnification).

Thanx, and try and post some more of your exc. pics with it.

I'll process and post a couple of architectural shots later.

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Beautiful shots, love the colors.

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David28 wrote:

These are outstanding images from the combo.

I love my UWA lenses but my M wides don't play well with the Sony bodies. The color shift at the edges was very present in every instance. Not a deal breaker as I happen to shoot a great deal for monochromes.

Nevertheless, it would be nice to get a wide that plays nicely with the A7R.

Can you please confirm that you saw NO COLOUR shifts or smearing (magenta, green or yellow) with this Samyang? Much appreciated. I look forward to seeing more images from this pairing.

David, as I confirmed in my lengthy reply above, there is absolutely no colour shifts or smearing in the corners like on the rangefinder lenses. I know because I tried a few different Voigtlander wide angle lenses (which I loved the form factor of), but none of them were acceptable on the A7R for this reason. One thing to watch for is the corners can be a little soft if not choosing the exact right aperture, distance to subject and focal length. It takes a while to get to know this lens, but it can get very good results with practice and patience.

David
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Great shots and absolutely love your flickr-feed.

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Ben Raven wrote:

H,

Beautiful shots ! Have also been considering it for A7r.

Where did you buy it ?

B&H - about $350

Did you apply any pp fixes on these posted pics for its known distortion and/or vignetting ? If you did, what did you use and how --what degree of coverage loss did you find if corrected for distortion ?

I PP'd using Photomatix (from 3 images) and LR5.3. I used a common lens profile in LR (for this lens) to correct for the known mustache distortion (which is a complex type of barrel distortion in the centre of the image), but nothing to correct the edge colours or smearing which are not a problem (unlike RF UWA lenses), and there was no vignetting at f8-f16 where I was using this. I have tested the rangefinder lenses on the A7R and this has none of those magenta edges or smearing. Samyang 14mm lens image quality on the A7R is exactly same as on a regular FF DSLR.

How about performance -- it has gotten literally raves for center area performance, how about overall image ? These certainly look super. Have you used it for any interiors, or building shots ?

Performance is excellent at f8-f16 where I use this lens for wider DOF anyway. It's not usable at f2.8, and just okay at f4. It gets very sharp around at around f5.6. My challenge with this lens is to get sharp edges and corners, which is a bit tricky, but doable. Composing with MF assist (magnification) in Liveview, certainly makes it easy. The distance scales on the Samyang lenses are notorious for being off, so I compose with MF assist in Liveview on the near foreground points of interest, and choose f8 to f16 depending on how critical the background sharpness is.

How do you feel about the size, weight, balance, and focus feel ? I myself am not discouraged by going for a larger lens if it gives me the image quality I seek (and can afford).

It's a bit large on the A7/R, but compared to some other good UWA adapted lenses like the Nikon 14-24 or Alpha 16-35 or Canon 17-40 or 16-35 it is a lot smaller and much, much lighter. Unfortunately Samyang has not tailored these lenses for the mirrorless cameras, and instead just added hollow section of length at the mount end to account for the difference in focal plane to mount distances between the camera formats. Anyway, the size doesn't really bother me. When I want small I'll take the FE 35.

As far as functionality - does the lens interact at all aperture wise, or focus confirmation wise, or is it totally devoid of any interaction with the A7r ? And importantly, how did that affect your ease and enjoyment of its use ?

No the lens has no electronic contacts at all, so it's manual all the way. The A7/R will expose automatically in A, S, or M mode (with auto-ISO) if you let it. I prefer to go all manual (including ISO) and monitor the meter reading in the camera and adjust if required. Focus confirmation is done by focus peaking if you like, but with f8 and higher apertures focus peaking falls apart, which is why I use the MF assist (magnification).

Thanx, and try and post some more of your exc. pics with it.

I'll process and post a couple of architectural shots later.

Thanks for the thoroughness and detail of your response H,

Was busy, and was just now able to read it.

One further clarification if you would: When correcting for mustache distortion with LR lens profile, how much, if any, reduction in coverage did you notice ? Would you say negligible, or for ease of communication, the corrected image might be, for example, more like a 15mm ?

Thanks again.

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From Paradise Island, Bahamas. This is a decent UWA solution for the A7/R.

These can be viewed at full resolution along with some others on my Flickr stream below.

C&C welcome.

These are excellent landscape shots, congrats.
As a samyang owner i want to ask that i have nex-5n and sel1018 which i like very much. Should i continue using it if i upgrade to A7 or it would be better selling it and buying a Samyang 14mm?

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Ben Raven wrote:

Hundminen wrote:

Ben Raven wrote:

H,

Beautiful shots ! Have also been considering it for A7r.

Where did you buy it ?

B&H - about $350

Did you apply any pp fixes on these posted pics for its known distortion and/or vignetting ? If you did, what did you use and how --what degree of coverage loss did you find if corrected for distortion ?

I PP'd using Photomatix (from 3 images) and LR5.3. I used a common lens profile in LR (for this lens) to correct for the known mustache distortion (which is a complex type of barrel distortion in the centre of the image), but nothing to correct the edge colours or smearing which are not a problem (unlike RF UWA lenses), and there was no vignetting at f8-f16 where I was using this. I have tested the rangefinder lenses on the A7R and this has none of those magenta edges or smearing. Samyang 14mm lens image quality on the A7R is exactly same as on a regular FF DSLR.

How about performance -- it has gotten literally raves for center area performance, how about overall image ? These certainly look super. Have you used it for any interiors, or building shots ?

Performance is excellent at f8-f16 where I use this lens for wider DOF anyway. It's not usable at f2.8, and just okay at f4. It gets very sharp around at around f5.6. My challenge with this lens is to get sharp edges and corners, which is a bit tricky, but doable. Composing with MF assist (magnification) in Liveview, certainly makes it easy. The distance scales on the Samyang lenses are notorious for being off, so I compose with MF assist in Liveview on the near foreground points of interest, and choose f8 to f16 depending on how critical the background sharpness is.

How do you feel about the size, weight, balance, and focus feel ? I myself am not discouraged by going for a larger lens if it gives me the image quality I seek (and can afford).

It's a bit large on the A7/R, but compared to some other good UWA adapted lenses like the Nikon 14-24 or Alpha 16-35 or Canon 17-40 or 16-35 it is a lot smaller and much, much lighter. Unfortunately Samyang has not tailored these lenses for the mirrorless cameras, and instead just added hollow section of length at the mount end to account for the difference in focal plane to mount distances between the camera formats. Anyway, the size doesn't really bother me. When I want small I'll take the FE 35.

As far as functionality - does the lens interact at all aperture wise, or focus confirmation wise, or is it totally devoid of any interaction with the A7r ? And importantly, how did that affect your ease and enjoyment of its use ?

No the lens has no electronic contacts at all, so it's manual all the way. The A7/R will expose automatically in A, S, or M mode (with auto-ISO) if you let it. I prefer to go all manual (including ISO) and monitor the meter reading in the camera and adjust if required. Focus confirmation is done by focus peaking if you like, but with f8 and higher apertures focus peaking falls apart, which is why I use the MF assist (magnification).

Thanx, and try and post some more of your exc. pics with it.

I'll process and post a couple of architectural shots later.

Thanks for the thoroughness and detail of your response H,

Was busy, and was just now able to read it.

One further clarification if you would: When correcting for mustache distortion with LR lens profile, how much, if any, reduction in coverage did you notice ? Would you say negligible, or for ease of communication, the corrected image might be, for example, more like a 15mm ?

Thanks again.

Just checked it now. I would say the image is cropped only slightly on the sides, maybe 2% during the correction. I would guess the resulting FL would not be more than 15mm. Of note, I will only use the correction on architectural or landscapes with strong horizon lines like the ones posted. Most other landscapes the distortion is not noticeable.

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husahin wrote:

From Paradise Island, Bahamas. This is a decent UWA solution for the A7/R.

These can be viewed at full resolution along with some others on my Flickr stream below.

C&C welcome.

These are excellent landscape shots, congrats.
As a samyang owner i want to ask that i have nex-5n and sel1018 which i like very much. Should i continue using it if i upgrade to A7 or it would be better selling it and buying a Samyang 14mm?

I tested the SEL1018 quite a bit on the A7R before settling on the Samyang 14. One key difference between you and me was that I had neither to start with. If I had the SEL1018 already, then I'm not sure I would have rushed so quickly to get the Samyang 14mm. But in the end the Samyang is the better option for landscape shooting, since I can use the entire focal length, and not crop. Even though the 10-18 will give you an image over the full frame, between 14 and 16mm, the vignetting is very harsh, and the corners are very very very soft. I found I needed to crop the sides of the image from 3:2 format to a 5:4 format to get acceptable corner sharpness (equivalent to the Samyang 14mm), and at that point I have lost 1/6 of the image (from 36 MP to 30 MP). With an A7, you would be cropping in from 24 MP to 20 MP. With the Samyang, I'm give up optical stabilization and auto focusing, but neither are terribly important to me at 14mm and for landscapes.

Hope that helps you.

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I see you're from Toronto. Did you order the 14mm Samyang from B & H? How was your experience with cross-border shipping etc.? 
I'm interested in picking up one of these, probably from B & H as I don't think Henry's even carries an E-mount version, forgetting about it's higher price even with the US dollar conversion. I've never ordered from B&H though (I live in Toronto too) so I'm not exactly sure what to expect.
Love the colours in your photos by the way.
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departingYYZ wrote:

I see you're from Toronto. Did you order the 14mm Samyang from B & H? How was your experience with cross-border shipping etc.?
I'm interested in picking up one of these, probably from B & H as I don't think Henry's even carries an E-mount version, forgetting about it's higher price even with the US dollar conversion. I've never ordered from B&H though (I live in Toronto too) so I'm not exactly sure what to expect.
Love the colours in your photos by the way.
Thanks

Yes, I got it from B&H. I've received about 8 or 9 orders from B&H over the past 2-3 years. Ordering for Canadian delivery from them is very slick. Choose the option for them to take care of taxes and duties. There are no duties anyway. Never one issue so far. 10 out of 10. Every order arrived in 2-3 business days. I've never had to return anything yet either, so I can't tell you about that process is like yet. I usually order cheap Samyang lenses, filters, and other accessories, which are a lot less there than here. If it's expensive camera bodies and lenses, I would prefer to buy locally as there is no price difference on the high end gear.

Be careful, Mel Snyder has a couple of recent threads in here where is has been going through a batch of bad Samyang/Rokinon 14mm lenses from B&H. Mine was the e-mount, not sure what his was though.

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