To All You "Masters of Photography" Who Called Me an Idiot... Locked

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antoineb
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Good for you! ;-)
In reply to bbbinohio, 5 months ago

bbbinohio wrote:

When I got my new D800e I took a few shots and was shocked how out of focus the images were.

When I posted them on this forum and asked for help, several of the most arrogant members told me that I was just another stupid idiot who did not deserve to be on this forum. That I did not know anything about photography and that I should learn to read my owners manual before I opened my mouth and made an obvious fool of myself.

So I just did my best to ignore them and sent my camera into Nikon for focusing issues anyway. Well, to all you "Masters of Photography" here is what Nikon Customer Service found...

THE AUTO FOCUS OPERATION NEEDED ADJUSTMENT

THE AUTO FOCUS UNIT WAS OUT OF ADJUSTMENT

THE MIRROR ANGLE WAS OUT OF ALIGNMENT AND NEEDED ADJUSTING.

I really have nothing left to say... except that I am glad you found the need to criticize me, because it allowed me to block 24 "Masters of Photography", and this forum has been a much nicer place for me to be ever since.

Thanks!

Bob, from Ohio

Bob!

When I read such stories, I convinces me even more that I'm never buying another DSLR again in my life!  I mean come ON, people are expected to shell out that much money, and get a photographic tool that can't even focus properly?

My iPhone focuses just fine in the meantime, and the camera came for free because it wasn't the reason I bought my iPhone in the first place.  My Panasonic compact focuses just fine.  My Nikon D7000 DSLR does focus just fine in contrast-detect mode (it sometimes fails to focus, and occasionally the focus is poor), and in its native PDAF mode it is OK if one isn't too demanding and that's after adjusting for each lens.

These things with a mirror and two different optical paths that have to be made to coincide, are just completely obsolete.

Happy for you that you're getting in-focus images now at any rate.

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Re: Sorry people were rude to you but no need to be aggressive
In reply to RichyjV, 5 months ago

RichyjV wrote:

Glad you got your camera fixed, hope you get great shots with it.

Looked at the OP's gallery. Ducks, check. Flowers, check. Squirrel, check.

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Re: To All You "Masters of Photography" Who Called Me an Idiot...
In reply to bbbinohio, 5 months ago

bbbinohio wrote:

When I got my new D800e I took a few shots and was shocked how out of focus the images were.

When I posted them on this forum and asked for help, several of the most arrogant members told me that I was just another stupid idiot who did not deserve to be on this forum. That I did not know anything about photography and that I should learn to read my owners manual before I opened my mouth and made an obvious fool of myself.

So I just did my best to ignore them and sent my camera into Nikon for focusing issues anyway. Well, to all you "Masters of Photography" here is what Nikon Customer Service found...

THE AUTO FOCUS OPERATION NEEDED ADJUSTMENT

THE AUTO FOCUS UNIT WAS OUT OF ADJUSTMENT

THE MIRROR ANGLE WAS OUT OF ALIGNMENT AND NEEDED ADJUSTING.

I really have nothing left to say... except that I am glad you found the need to criticize me, because it allowed me to block 24 "Masters of Photography", and this forum has been a much nicer place for me to be ever since.

Thanks!

Bob, from Ohio

While I agree that there are lots of a-holes on here and the Internet in general. But, you are just being WAY too sensitive abour people you don't know.

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Re: OK, so you have a problem with spelling errors
In reply to dread_tai, 5 months ago

dread_tai wrote:

T O Shooter wrote:

dread_tai wrote:

T O Shooter wrote:

dread_tai wrote:

aut0maticdan wrote:

Its almost as if he accidentally used the wrong word which is strange. I know for sure that when I type things they always come out exactly as I intended.

i know that if i take the time to correct someone on spelling errors, i likely go back and proof what i wrote as well, to avoid looking like a loon, as well as immature (for correcting spelling errors on a gear forum).

How do you feel about grammar errors?

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i don't.........it's a gear forum.

but grammatical errors are ok. Just wondering what your position was and where you draw the line! I thought spelling errors didn't need correction in a gear forum either, but you took the other position. Thanks for the clarification.

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i guess i give some too much credit.........

i was noting someone's feeble attempt to mock another's ability to criticise someone else b/c he misspelled a word; that this was ironic in that his own response included.........................wait for it...........................a misspelled word.

no lines drawn by me, or anyone else that i can see; i took neither position.

But your replies are cute, i s'pose.

And I was only frig gin' around as you were. Lightheartedly    Note the big grins on each post!

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Raul
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In reply to bbbinohio, 5 months ago

kindest regards

raul

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Re: To All You "Masters of Photography" Who Called Me an Idiot...
In reply to bbbinohio, 5 months ago

I know I;m late to the party and all I read was the OP...

But thank you for posting this. On these forums there always seems to be a few who have more post counts than shutter counts who seem to find away to make people, especially newbies regret posting or sharing their questions or photos

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Re: To All You "Masters of Photography" Who Called Me an Idiot...
In reply to bbbinohio, 5 months ago

So Thom has spoken...and everyone is falling over themselves to heil the messiah.

On all things photography, Thom clearly knows his stuff. No arguments there. What's more, he can back up his professional opinion with sound argument based on meaningful, relevant expertise. Rarely does he say anything just for the sake of promoting his own personal brand. I admire the way he goes about his business and I respect his views.

But I remain unconvinced about his marketing prowess in this instance.

Thom says that with minimal separation between models and features, pricing tiers that make no sense and models that come and go in the blink of an eye; Nikon's product range is confusing.

He's right...it is confusing.

But I'm not sure that its right to think that Nikon has somehow designed this situation and is calling the game.

A point Thom fails to acknowledge in his editorial, is the fact that with Canon's market presence nudging 50 cameras, Nikon is not alone with it's tsunami of product.

Going on previous history, Nikon has rarely been first past the post in its race with Canon. Canon delivered the Rebel DSLR well before Nikon's D70 ever made it onto the retail shelf. And with a couple of notable exceptions, this pretty much set the scene for what was to follow in terms DSLR. Things were not really any different in the point and shoot segment, either, as canon trumped Nikon over and over.

Does this mean Canon was a better product? Absolutely not. In fact there are countless examples of where Nikon was superior, to the point of embarrassment for Canon - and others.

What this did mean, though, is that Canon set the terms of engagement in its quest to win consumer favour. It's strategy was clear...be first, cover all angles of the market and refresh interest in the brand at every opportunity. Suddenly cameras took on fashion icon status as new models were rolled out with breathtaking frequency to ensure even the smallest gap was well and truly plugged.  Such is the ferocity of the market-share battle, Nikon has had little option but to go head to head with Canon almost on a model for model basis. Nikon simply could not afford to leave any holes in its product mix where Canon (or another major competitor) might get a foothold. Fail to update or plug a gap and the market reaction was volcanic as social media and interest sites lit up with vitriolic criticism. Witness the ongoing torrent of irritation and open criticism of Nikon at not producing a D400 or a D700S.

If you have any doubts about just how cut-throat this game has become, just take a look at where you can buy a DSLR these days (in fact any camera). It wasn't that long ago we bought cameras only from camera shops. Why? Because we valued the expertise and professional advice that a specialised retail outlet offered. Other retail identities may have dabbled in cameras...but SLR was considered strictly for the expertise of a cameras store.

But no more, it seems. Now, we can get cameras and associated equipment almost anywhere there's a cash register or computer terminal... Stationery and Office supplies retailers, whites goods and department stores: I've even seen digital cameras for sale in large hardware stores.

Twenty years ago Casio and Yamaha went down the path of blitzing supply channels and selling electronic musical keyboards equipment to any retail operation that would take them. The days of musical instruments being sold just in music stores was over. Now camera equipment is well down the same track.

So while I might agree with Thom's view that Nikon's product choice and prices are ridiculously overblown, I think it's really important he analyses more closely the root cause.  Nikon didn't pick the fight, but  it may be interesting to see what would happen to the photography segment if it chose to leave the ring and establish its own terms.

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In reply to bbbinohio, 5 months ago

If I come to the forum to ask for help, I would want to read all other possible reasons for my problems, not only the one I already figured out myself. I might still be right, but maybe this input helps me to notice that I am wrong. If this input does not change my problem, I can still do as I planed right from the start.

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Re: To All You "Masters of Photography" Who Called Me an Idiot...
In reply to bbbinohio, 5 months ago

bbbinohio wrote:

When I got my new D800e I took a few shots and was shocked how out of focus the images were.

When I posted them on this forum and asked for help, several of the most arrogant members told me that I was just another stupid idiot who did not deserve to be on this forum. That I did not know anything about photography and that I should learn to read my owners manual before I opened my mouth and made an obvious fool of myself.

So I just did my best to ignore them and sent my camera into Nikon for focusing issues anyway. Well, to all you "Masters of Photography" here is what Nikon Customer Service found...

THE AUTO FOCUS OPERATION NEEDED ADJUSTMENT

THE AUTO FOCUS UNIT WAS OUT OF ADJUSTMENT

THE MIRROR ANGLE WAS OUT OF ALIGNMENT AND NEEDED ADJUSTING.

I really have nothing left to say... except that I am glad you found the need to criticize me, because it allowed me to block 24 "Masters of Photography", and this forum has been a much nicer place for me to be ever since.

Thanks!

Bob, from Ohio

I found my d800 out of focus as well,  always assumed i had crappy lenses. upgraded all my lenes and still out of focus.

wonder if anyone else had the same problem?

Roger

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Re: Great BB. very happy for you
In reply to Raul, 5 months ago

Raul wrote:

kindest regards

raul

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Re: To All You "Masters of Photography" Who Called Me an Idiot...
In reply to kevinlee, 5 months ago

kevinlee wrote:

So Thom has spoken...and everyone is falling over themselves to heil the messiah.

On all things photography, Thom clearly knows his stuff. No arguments there. What's more, he can back up his professional opinion with sound argument based on meaningful, relevant expertise. Rarely does he say anything just for the sake of promoting his own personal brand. I admire the way he goes about his business and I respect his views.

But I remain unconvinced about his marketing prowess in this instance.

Thom says that with minimal separation between models and features, pricing tiers that make no sense and models that come and go in the blink of an eye; Nikon's product range is confusing.

He's right...it is confusing.

But I'm not sure that its right to think that Nikon has somehow designed this situation and is calling the game.

A point Thom fails to acknowledge in his editorial, is the fact that with Canon's market presence nudging 50 cameras, Nikon is not alone with it's tsunami of product.

Going on previous history, Nikon has rarely been first past the post in its race with Canon. Canon delivered the Rebel DSLR well before Nikon's D70 ever made it onto the retail shelf. And with a couple of notable exceptions, this pretty much set the scene for what was to follow in terms DSLR. Things were not really any different in the point and shoot segment, either, as canon trumped Nikon over and over.

Does this mean Canon was a better product? Absolutely not. In fact there are countless examples of where Nikon was superior, to the point of embarrassment for Canon - and others.

What this did mean, though, is that Canon set the terms of engagement in its quest to win consumer favour. It's strategy was clear...be first, cover all angles of the market and refresh interest in the brand at every opportunity. Suddenly cameras took on fashion icon status as new models were rolled out with breathtaking frequency to ensure even the smallest gap was well and truly plugged. Such is the ferocity of the market-share battle, Nikon has had little option but to go head to head with Canon almost on a model for model basis. Nikon simply could not afford to leave any holes in its product mix where Canon (or another major competitor) might get a foothold. Fail to update or plug a gap and the market reaction was volcanic as social media and interest sites lit up with vitriolic criticism. Witness the ongoing torrent of irritation and open criticism of Nikon at not producing a D400 or a D700S.

If you have any doubts about just how cut-throat this game has become, just take a look at where you can buy a DSLR these days (in fact any camera). It wasn't that long ago we bought cameras only from camera shops. Why? Because we valued the expertise and professional advice that a specialised retail outlet offered. Other retail identities may have dabbled in cameras...but SLR was considered strictly for the expertise of a cameras store.

But no more, it seems. Now, we can get cameras and associated equipment almost anywhere there's a cash register or computer terminal... Stationery and Office supplies retailers, whites goods and department stores: I've even seen digital cameras for sale in large hardware stores.

Twenty years ago Casio and Yamaha went down the path of blitzing supply channels and selling electronic musical keyboards equipment to any retail operation that would take them. The days of musical instruments being sold just in music stores was over. Now camera equipment is well down the same track.

So while I might agree with Thom's view that Nikon's product choice and prices are ridiculously overblown, I think it's really important he analyses more closely the root cause. Nikon didn't pick the fight, but it may be interesting to see what would happen to the photography segment if it chose to leave the ring and establish its own terms.

What? Am I missing something? How did Thom get into this?????? Funny.

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Re: The truth about the OP....
In reply to anotherMike, 5 months ago

You gave a very good summary of what happened in the thread which was zapped (and locked for good reasons)

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