Do I need to go dual system?

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DFPanno
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In reply to KatManDEW, 9 months ago

My RX1 kicks my 5D3's butt.

A7R or D800E (D800ES)  will produce images your 5D3 can't manage.

I'm hoping a 5D4 with a rocking' sensor is on its way.

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In reply to qianp2k, 9 months ago

qianp2k wrote:

Soothsayerman wrote:

KatManDEW wrote:

John Zeman wrote:

As long as it's your money I think you should get the D800 and buy 9 expensive Nikon lenses to go with it.
Oorrrrrrr wait and see what Canon does, what's the hurry?

I'm no spring chicken and I'm getting older in a hurry Among other things, I like to shoot landscapes, and it's hard to argue with that D800 sensor for landscapes. I still haven't ruled out the a7R.

If you like to do landscapes then a Sony A7R with the Canon TSE 17 and 24mm. Take a look...

http://www.fredmiranda.com/A7R-review/

Indeed. I am very impressed by A7R for evening shots. I pushed shadow +100 (and sometime even added another +0.3 ~ +1 EV) in LR5, still pretty clean in shadows.

24-70L II on A7R. Prague, 20 sec exposure

24-70L II on A7R. 30-sec exposure. I know need to clean dusts.

24-70L II on A7R. Budapest.

I also carried 17mm TS-E. However just before the trip I found my copy suddenly has severe decenter issue. Even without any T/E and precisely focus at right side. The 1/4 part of photo at right side is very messy so I didn't use much in my recent trip. I found actually it's (much) easier to use 17mm TS-E lens on A7R than on 5D3. You might not believe it but it's true. With 5D3, I need to measure metering before T/E, then change to manual mode and start T/E and then struggle between OVF and LV before taking a photo. With A7R, no such need and I still can shoot at A mode as its LV automatically will update metering when T/E out and EVF is so easy to check actual metering and live histogram before even you taking photos. Also A7R MF is (much) easier with focus-assistant (also focus peaking but I didn't count on). Press C1 button once, it goes to 7x and twice goes to 14x magnification thru either LCD or better with EVF such as under bright sunlight (auto switch between). Here is a sample you can see the severe decentering at right side. I am sending it to Canon for repairing. I have no idea when the lens developed into this issue. In my last trip to Mexico it's still good and I didn't use much in the past. Could be during trip to Africa although I almost didn't use it actually. But now I have more reasons to use it on A7R and actually lots easier.

17mm TS-E on A7R. Vienna, Austria

I wouldn't move to the 800 unless I got the 800E

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Man, that is some crazy detail on that 20 sec shot with the 24-70! That is nuts! Great micro contrast (I am a nerd) Just fantastic, beautiful shot. A friend of mine just got one with the same setup as Fred Miranda and with the 17mm TSE and like you, he also says it's a lot easier to use on the Sony. He really likes it but it is a one trick camera for him which is okay because he does only landscape and macro.

I can't get over how small the Sony is compared to my 5dmkII, but it feels like a chunk of metal.

Thanks for sharing!

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In reply to DFPanno, 9 months ago

DFPanno wrote:

My RX1 kicks my 5D3's butt.

A7R or D800E (D800ES) will produce images your 5D3 can't manage.

I'm hoping a 5D4 with a rocking' sensor is on its way.

Hope the same thing myself. If it's at least as much resolution and DR as the Sony sensor, with 3.x FPS and the 60D AF system (60 not 6), sign me up for the first production model.
That's what I was expecting the 5D3 to be. In the footsteps of the 5D2... The 5D3 turned out to be a different class of 5D. Very nice all purpose camera with amazing AF, but not what I was expecting. I already had a 7D for action type stuff, and I wasn't expecting, or hoping for, a FF 7D or poor man's 1DX. I think Canon was caught between a rock and a hard place, and had to jazz up the 5D2 features for the 5D3, because they didn't have any better sensor technology. I had a 60D, and that focus system would have been a fine upgrade for the 5D2, with a class leading sensor.

Water under the bridge now, two years later. Technology marches on.

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In reply to qianp2k, 9 months ago

qianp2k wrote:

Dan_168 wrote:

KatManDEW wrote:

Just another Canon shooter wrote:

Buy a 10th lens. I am serious.

Another TS-E, and a a7R to go with it?

That would be a great combo, seriously, I am a dual system Canon 1DS3 1DS2 and Nikon D800E users and actually planning to add the A7R so I can use my TSE 17 on a 36 MP high DR sensor, sounds like a great combo for landscape. as much as l like the D800E but it kind of sucks to let the TSE 17 and TSE 24 sit in the closet, so A7R is a really attractive alternative, but I actually hate the small form factor of the a7R and wish I can have that sensor in the 1DS body.

Everyone has different priority. To me small/light body (and lenses) is #1 reason to get A7R (the same as I got EOS-M package earlier). In the evening in my trip, just left 5D3 in hotel. Carried A7R on my shoulder without a bag. FE 35 or FE 55 (that going to acquire) on A7R is so small/light and so easy to carry with, together with a 2.2 lb traveling tripod. For WA I could stitch photos. FE 35 is already pretty sharp lens (at f/5.6 it's sharper) and FE 55 is further noticeably sharper with whopping 29 mpix in DXO test that can rival $4K Zeiss Otus 55/1.4 that is a MF lens on D800E (and we know its LV is not very good).

FE 35 on A7R. Salzburg, Austria

I sure understand your point, that's why the mirrorless is getting so popular these day, it's a personal preference thing, nice shot by the way. at one point I was thinking I can take advantage with a smaller camera than my 1DS3 so I purchased a NEX7 for my snowboarding and hiking trip, but after few backpacking trips with that system it ended up in my girlfriend's house and she brought it back and complaining why you gave me a such big camera, LOL. so ended up on Craigslist, LOL.

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Zee Char wrote:

http://www.racemsm.com/?p=3770

Nice link. Thanks.

OOC, I agree. I've done exactly that, and out of camera, it probably is a toss up for that application. I'm actually impressed the D800 did so well, after all the talk about how hard it is to shoot that high res.

But for other applications, more MP and DR offer undeniable advantages.

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