Thinking of leaving Fuji

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I understand the importance of such a price gap ...
In reply to zenpmd, 7 months ago

that CSC buyers are forced to pay out can have on a decision - its £3-400 on the body alone - for which you get a premium weight and electronic info sapport. Perhaps to make the fuji choice a little more affordable have you noticed that digital rev in HK have the xe2 with the 18-55 zoom combined for only £759? Here's the link http://www.digitalrev.com/product/fujifilm-x-e2-with-xf/MTEwMjkxNg_A_A

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Jeff Seltzer wrote:

zenpmd wrote:

I really want to love them, and in some ways I do, but I remain frustrated. I have owned and sold the xe1, x pro 1, x100s and I am about to return the Xt1.

The xe Fuji cameras are the best I think. They are without the ergonomic quirks of the x pro 1 (no diopter, annoying placement of ae lock), smaller and in the case of the xe2 half decent AF. The x100s is still too slow, a bit buggy, especially with the viewfinder eye sensor and battery life/warnings are infuriating for a camera of that cost. The xt1 is really wonderful, feels great in the hand, light, but its expensive for an AF system which, while better, you simply cannot trust 100 percent.

But the real killer for me is how cheap and how good Nikon slrs are now. The d7100 can be had cheap, its bombproof, massive battery life, superb AF, but most importantly of all, if you are a prime shooter, which I largely am, I am get the 35mm, 50mm and 85mm for next to nothing, all of which are super sharp. What I am currently looking into is what to do for primes in the 28-35 range, but I may just have to accept they dont exist and buy the fuji x100s sucessor which I hope will iron out the problems.

Nikon and canon primes are small and cheap...simply put!

I can't believe you've bought and sold that many cameras in such short time! My guess is that you'll buy and sell lots of Nikons, too. Some may say something contentious, like "you need to focus on making images, not cameras." But, I get it - I think buying and selling cameras is part of what makes the hobby fun for you. I do the same thing with lenses. Hopefully, you like the Nikons. Good luck!

not only bought and sold, some of these i just used for 30 days from amazon

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zenpmd wrote:

I really want to love them, and in some ways I do, but I remain frustrated. I have owned and sold the xe1, x pro 1, x100s and I am about to return the Xt1.

The xe Fuji cameras are the best I think. They are without the ergonomic quirks of the x pro 1 (no diopter, annoying placement of ae lock), smaller and in the case of the xe2 half decent AF. The x100s is still too slow, a bit buggy, especially with the viewfinder eye sensor and battery life/warnings are infuriating for a camera of that cost. The xt1 is really wonderful, feels great in the hand, light, but its expensive for an AF system which, while better, you simply cannot trust 100 percent.

But the real killer for me is how cheap and how good Nikon slrs are now. The d7100 can be had cheap, its bombproof, massive battery life, superb AF, but most importantly of all, if you are a prime shooter, which I largely am, I am get the 35mm, 50mm and 85mm for next to nothing, all of which are super sharp. What I am currently looking into is what to do for primes in the 28-35 range, but I may just have to accept they dont exist and buy the fuji x100s sucessor which I hope will iron out the problems.

Nikon and canon primes are small and cheap...simply put!

This is a rational view which is difficult to argue. For me the like or dislike of a camera related to "looks" is an important issue. Form plays an important role for me.

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zenpmd wrote:

Teslib, I will definately come back (if indeed I decide to leave) but I just feel they are not quite there yet, and if I am going to spend £1000 on a camera then I want to keep it for 5 plus years! The one thing I am very tempted to do is pick up a very cheap xe1 and hold on to the small lenses, like the 18 and the 35, for now...

If you're going to end up with a different ILC, you should hang on to a cheap X100. Its a more interesting alternative to your upcoming big heavy DSLR, and it will be easy to take with you when your DSLR stays at home because its big and heavy.

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zenpmd wrote:

I really want to love them, and in some ways I do, but I remain frustrated. I have owned and sold the xe1, x pro 1, x100s and I am about to return the Xt1.

Why on earth did you buy 4 Fuji cameras if you don't like them? I just don't get it. If you don' like them and if you prefer a DSLR buy a DSLR. It's not complicated.

The xe Fuji cameras are the best I think. They are without the ergonomic quirks of the x pro 1 (no diopter, annoying placement of ae lock), smaller and in the case of the xe2 half decent AF. The x100s is still too slow, a bit buggy, especially with the viewfinder eye sensor and battery life/warnings are infuriating for a camera of that cost. The xt1 is really wonderful, feels great in the hand, light, but its expensive for an AF system which, while better, you simply cannot trust 100 percent.

But the real killer for me is how cheap and how good Nikon slrs are now. The d7100 can be had cheap, its bombproof, massive battery life, superb AF, but most importantly of all, if you are a prime shooter, which I largely am, I am get the 35mm, 50mm and 85mm for next to nothing, all of which are super sharp. What I am currently looking into is what to do for primes in the 28-35 range, but I may just have to accept they dont exist and buy the fuji x100s sucessor which I hope will iron out the problems.

Nikon and canon primes are small and cheap...simply put!

It's also rather easy to compare lenses. Fuji has not too many lenses at the moment. They are high quality but come at a price. Nikon and especially Canon have much more lenses of course. There are 4 70-200 zoom ( 2.8 and 4 with to without IS ) from Canon and a couple of 70-300 or 55-200. There are short primes in 1.2, 1.4 and 1.8. So it is obvious that there is more lens choice.

If you are looking for the best value it is always a DSLR and not mirrorless. If compactness means nothing to you why do you try to live with mediocre AF?

It just doesn't make any sense to buy a mirrorless if a compact and light camera is not what you are looking for.

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Joachim, I had a major problem, and still do, with the appearance of dslrs. In fact, unless mirrorless cameras came out, I shot with an Lx3. The fuji I loved at first, but then my photographic interests diversified. To be quite honest, I think its hard not to carry two cameras now, something for action, like the D7100, hence why I'd love the x100s successor when its a big snappier.

We are also in a unique time, though, I think for innovation and competition and that leads to chopping and changing more, say, between 2007 and 2010 or something like that. Now soon as the Xt1 is released the a6000 is announced, which looks to blow its AF out of the water. And after that an a7 sucessor will have the AF in it. Where Fuji kicks ass is of course the lenses, particularly at the wide end.

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Changing from Fuji to Nikon...

Is this a new Nikon headhunting campaign?

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zenpmd wrote:

I really want to love them, and in some ways I do, but I remain frustrated. I have owned and sold the xe1, x pro 1, x100s and I am about to return the Xt1.

The xe Fuji cameras are the best I think. They are without the ergonomic quirks of the x pro 1 (no diopter, annoying placement of ae lock), smaller and in the case of the xe2 half decent AF. The x100s is still too slow, a bit buggy, especially with the viewfinder eye sensor and battery life/warnings are infuriating for a camera of that cost. The xt1 is really wonderful, feels great in the hand, light, but its expensive for an AF system which, while better, you simply cannot trust 100 percent.

But the real killer for me is how cheap and how good Nikon slrs are now. The d7100 can be had cheap, its bombproof, massive battery life, superb AF, but most importantly of all, if you are a prime shooter, which I largely am, I am get the 35mm, 50mm and 85mm for next to nothing, all of which are super sharp. What I am currently looking into is what to do for primes in the 28-35 range, but I may just have to accept they dont exist and buy the fuji x100s sucessor which I hope will iron out the problems.

Nikon and canon primes are small and cheap...simply put!

I have the XT-1 and primes and have had many Nikons and primes, my last APC-C was the D7000. If your argument is size and cost, I think you are smoking something. The primes are on sale now and the XT-1 is only a little more expensive than the D7100.

If you have some other argument like better AF or better flash then yes it is better. I hope you don't care about the viewfinder, because the D7100 is massively smaller than the EVF on the X-T1.

But your post seems like a statement rather than asking for input. Given that, I don't see why you needed to post it. Go get a Nikon and have fun.

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helmus wrote:

Changing from Fuji to Nikon...

Is this a new Nikon headhunting campaign?

I wouldn't go that far, but for every new Nikon shooter - Nikon probably looses 3 photographers that have had it with Nikons refusal to listen to their customer base.

If Nikon would have made a nice mirrorless system that does not make use of a tiny sensor and with a real lens line up. Or even better if they had already made a small mirrorless camera like the A7/A7r that could handle the FX mount. Nikon wouldn't have lost so many photographers over the last year.

Their problem - They don't listen, but decide on what's good enough for you as a photographer.

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As you consider leaving Fuji, I am 80% leaving Nikon for Fuji, keeping my D300 for tripod and bird work mainly.  There is nothing wrong with either of our choices.

From 1980 to 1995, I spent a third of my time on international business travel, passed my weekends shooting photos, drinking very good coffee, eating the occasional excellent pastry, and having dinners I still remember.  While taking the frequent long plane flight I had just enough room left in a 5" attaché case for lots of Kodachrome, a Leica body, and two lenses.  I moved slowly from scene to scene and, looking back, my pictures showed it.

The availability of the Nikon F100 (very reliable autofocus) and lots of lenses got me moving faster when taking photos and the D300 even faster until I started carrying too many lenses and other gear, something it took me a very long time to discover.  My pictures became technically better and less esthetically considered, something it took me years to discover.

Now Nikon mainly (almost all new DX lenses all seem to start at 18mm, made for kits, and where is the replacement for my 7-year-old D300 w/12MP sensor?) and peer pressure to less of a degree are telling me to move to full frame, a Nikon D610 at least, and to spend more on heavier FF lenses.  But I don't really care about the improved ability to shoot at night, I have long since learned to deal with the increased depth of field from a chop-sensor camera, and my 13" X 19" prints only need a small boost for my complete satisfaction.

A digital Leica outfit with the lenses I want would seem perfect now that I am retired and would cost roughly $20K, the same price as a decent small car.  I expect the X-E2 I am going to buy today will be 85% as good or better than the Leica and will cost 15% of the German product.  Just as important, I think it will return me to shooting slower and more esthetically--most important these days.  No, I wouldn't shoot a wedding with the X-E2, but I don't need to work that hard anymore.

Enjoy your Nikon gear!

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I sounds like YOU do need a DSLR. Nothing wrong with that.

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What I am currently looking into is what to do for primes in the 28-35 range,

This is where Nikon crop falls down, and is why I moved from a D7000 to an X-Pro1.  There simply is no good solution for good DX primes on the wide end.  To me, the 14, 18 & 23 mm primes on the Fuji are reason enough to go Fuji, and the rest of the lenses just make it that much more sweet.

IMO, if you want to shoot DSLR Nikons with prime lenses, you need to go FF (assuming FLs under 50 mm equivalent are important).  In fact, if you compare the price of a D610 with a good range of 1.8 primes (say, 5-6 lenses), and compare that to an X-T1 with the equivalent lenses, the price is fairly similar.  The D610 is more expensive but the lenses are cheaper, as long as you stay away from the Nikon f/1.4 lenses.

Of course, FF is a heavy rig, and throw in even a single f4 zoom and the weight & bulk just goes through the roof.

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zenpmd wrote:

Teslib, I will definately come back (if indeed I decide to leave) but I just feel they are not quite there yet, and if I am going to spend £1000 on a camera then I want to keep it for 5 plus years! The one thing I am very tempted to do is pick up a very cheap xe1 and hold on to the small lenses, like the 18 and the 35, for now...

I think that this is a worthwhile idea, as there will be times when a heavier and larger DSLR would not be the best camera for the task.  Keeping the small lenses will mean that your kit will be great for travel, where size and weight are paramount and the feature set is adequate, if not quite equal to the top of the line X cameras.

The X-E1 is a real bargain right now, as so many users are ditching it for the X-T1.

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Another point is the cheaper Nikon primes like 50 1.8g 85 1.8g are very harsh in their renderings. Nikon seems to focus on sharpness in their lenses as a primary characteristic and they are sharp. But I found the 85 and 50 to give too much of a digital look. I think it comes from a lack of ED glass.

The Fuji lenses though are designed back from the look in the images the designers want to render. It makes for a more compelling image from using their lenses. So its not just the cameras themselves but the look from the lenses which is a compelling reason to use Fuji over Nikon.

Nikon pro lenses like 24-70 F2.8 ED are wonderful but they are large, heavy and expensive.

Nikon 70-200 F4 is a nice lens but expensive. The 70-200 F2.8 is a monster and costs a lot more than most cameras. So when talking price you must be talking about the lower end lenses which don't have aperture rings, are plastic and no ED glass.

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Another point is the cheaper Nikon primes like 50 1.8g 85 1.8g are very harsh in their renderings. Nikon seems to focus on sharpness in their lenses as a primary characteristic and they are sharp. But I found the 85 and 50 to give too much of a digital look. I think it comes from a lack of ED glass.

Good point.

The Fuji lenses though are designed back from the look in the images the designers want to render. It makes for a more compelling image from using their lenses. So its not just the cameras themselves but the look from the lenses which is a compelling reason to use Fuji over Nikon.

Good point.

Nikon pro lenses like 24-70 F2.8 ED are wonderful but they are large, heavy and expensive.

Nikon 70-200 F4 is a nice lens but expensive. The 70-200 F2.8 is a monster and costs a lot more than most cameras. So when talking price you must be talking about the lower end lenses which don't have aperture rings, are plastic and no ED glass.

Good points indeed.

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Teslib, I will definately come back (if indeed I decide to leave) but I just feel they are not quite there yet, and if I am going to spend £1000 on a camera then I want to keep it for 5 plus years! The one thing I am very tempted to do is pick up a very cheap xe1 and hold on to the small lenses, like the 18 and the 35, for now...

" they are not quite there yet": I think you have got a point there and I fully agree. IMHO, they still have a long way to go and I refer to the entire mirrorless bunch...nonetheless their prices are prohibitive. Regards.

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...it's always greener over there.

There is nothing wrong with going Nikon and some day you may decide to return to Fuji.

One person going elsewhere is not any sort of indictment of Fuji products.

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zenpmd wrote:

But the real killer for me is how cheap and how good Nikon slrs are now. The d7100 can be had cheap, its bombproof, massive battery life, superb AF, but most importantly of all, if you are a prime shooter, which I largely am, I am get the 35mm, 50mm and 85mm for next to nothing, all of which are super sharp. What I am currently looking into is what to do for primes in the 28-35 range, but I may just have to accept they dont exist and buy the fuji x100s sucessor which I hope will iron out the problems.

Nikon and canon primes are small and cheap...simply put!

Lack of decent wide angle DX primes was why I left Nikon for Fuji. They still haven't filled that gap sadly.

However, while not a prime, Sigma's new 18-35 f1.8 covers that range and the 35 for an absolute steal at around $700. If you do go back to Nikon, take a good look at one of those

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So when talking price you must be talking about the lower end lenses which don't have aperture rings, are plastic and no ED glass.

Greg.

I was talking about primes and not zooms, as that was the point of the OP.  And, I am talking about the f/1.8 primes, not the f/1.4 primes, which are very expensive.

No, these lenses do not have aperture rings, which is (presumably) one of the reasons they are less expensive.  But then rings are unneeded on a Nikon DSLR.

As for them being "harsh" well, you can believe that if you want.  Many people would disagree.

In any event, that's not really the point I was making.  The main point is that there simply is no good Nikon options below 35mm on DX.

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Good then mate, follow you road. Next time, how about working with the gear instead of fighting it? They all have their quirks but in the end, it is just a tool to achieve results. Do you need it or do you want it? (two different things)

In my case, I wanted a cam that I could carry daily so I could exercise my eye often. A dslr with a big footprint was often left in the car or at home so I ended up looking for a no compromise back up that was always in the bag along with my other stuff on my non photography work--- that's where your enthusiast big sensor compact, m4/3 cam or Fuji X comes in. A separate bag for a DSLR and lenses would weigh you down.

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