Thinking of leaving Fuji

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zenpmd
zenpmd Senior Member • Posts: 1,129
Thinking of leaving Fuji
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I really want to love them, and in some ways I do, but I remain frustrated. I have owned and sold the xe1, x pro 1, x100s and I am about to return the Xt1.

The xe Fuji cameras are the best I think. They are without the ergonomic quirks of the x pro 1 (no diopter, annoying placement of ae lock), smaller and in the case of the xe2 half decent AF. The x100s is still too slow, a bit buggy, especially with the viewfinder eye sensor and battery life/warnings are infuriating for a camera of that cost. The xt1 is really wonderful, feels great in the hand, light, but its expensive for an AF system which, while better, you simply cannot trust 100 percent.

But the real killer for me is how cheap and how good Nikon slrs are now. The d7100 can be had cheap, its bombproof, massive battery life, superb AF, but most importantly of all, if you are a prime shooter, which I largely am, I am get the 35mm, 50mm and 85mm for next to nothing, all of which are super sharp. What I am currently looking into is what to do for primes in the 28-35 range, but I may just have to accept they dont exist and buy the fuji x100s sucessor which I hope will iron out the problems.

Nikon and canon primes are small and cheap...simply put!

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Tckay
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Re: Thinking of leaving Fuji
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I think the high cost of lenses in relation to Canikon is prevalent throughout MILC. I switched back to A mount from Fuji because old Minolta lenses are at least 50% cheaper. Ive picked up a NEX 7 (again) also because said Minolta lenses can be utilised.

I still think the Fuji's are awesome, and the IQ rocks, but money is tight hereabouts.

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Which camera do you prefer holding in your hand? Which lens?

No argument on how great SLRs just work. But I found the small size and beauty of the X-T1 and the 56mm pretty compelling in themselves. I don't want another DSLR.  Some of us are willing to pay to use the tools we enjoy more, if it is size, interface, build, or feel--even though as pure capture tools, they do not necessarily represent the best bargain.

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57LowRider
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You are a restless soul who may never be satisfied - http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53267292

Good luck and hope you find something that you can enjoy.

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zenpmd
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Teslib, I will definately come back (if indeed I decide to leave) but I just feel they are not quite there yet, and if I am going to spend £1000 on a camera then I want to keep it for 5 plus years! The one thing I am very tempted to do is pick up a very cheap xe1 and hold on to the small lenses, like the 18 and the 35, for now...

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Jeff Seltzer
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Well, certainly not for lack of effort!
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zenpmd wrote:

I really want to love them, and in some ways I do, but I remain frustrated. I have owned and sold the xe1, x pro 1, x100s and I am about to return the Xt1.

The xe Fuji cameras are the best I think. They are without the ergonomic quirks of the x pro 1 (no diopter, annoying placement of ae lock), smaller and in the case of the xe2 half decent AF. The x100s is still too slow, a bit buggy, especially with the viewfinder eye sensor and battery life/warnings are infuriating for a camera of that cost. The xt1 is really wonderful, feels great in the hand, light, but its expensive for an AF system which, while better, you simply cannot trust 100 percent.

But the real killer for me is how cheap and how good Nikon slrs are now. The d7100 can be had cheap, its bombproof, massive battery life, superb AF, but most importantly of all, if you are a prime shooter, which I largely am, I am get the 35mm, 50mm and 85mm for next to nothing, all of which are super sharp. What I am currently looking into is what to do for primes in the 28-35 range, but I may just have to accept they dont exist and buy the fuji x100s sucessor which I hope will iron out the problems.

Nikon and canon primes are small and cheap...simply put!

I can't believe you've bought and sold that many cameras in such short time! My guess is that you'll buy and sell lots of Nikons, too. Some may say something contentious, like "you need to focus on making images, not cameras." But, I get it - I think buying and selling cameras is part of what makes the hobby fun for you. I do the same thing with lenses. Hopefully, you like the Nikons. Good luck!

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SaltLakeGuy
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Were it not for the fact both my shoulders have been surgically fixed over the last decade due on part to lugging around large DSLR systems I too would likely still be using them. They are still the typically preferred professional tool for most fast moving needs. It's very hard to beat the Fuji for portrait or static subject photography. They have indeed made massive improvements in their tracking technology in regards to autofocus. Their lenses are indeed gaining more than their share of accolades from professionals and amateurs alike. I feel the X-T1 is a pretty mature product in the grand scheme of things. But if bulk isn't an issue for you the D7100 is an excellent choice. I nearly got a D-610 which I was testing at home along with a 6D. In the end I sold off my EM1 and all mft stuff and returned the DSLR's to the dealer that I have a good relationship with that loaned them to me to try. The X-T1 in the end won out for IQ and ease of use and carry weight overall.

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Sabud
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Re: Thinking of leaving Fuji
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No problem, I will fill the gap

(left Nikon 5 years ago due to lack of good teles)

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David McGaughey
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DUH
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zenpmd wrote:

I really want to love them, and in some ways I do, but I remain frustrated. I have owned and sold the xe1, x pro 1, x100s and I am about to return the Xt1.

The xe Fuji cameras are the best I think. They are without the ergonomic quirks of the x pro 1 (no diopter, annoying placement of ae lock), smaller and in the case of the xe2 half decent AF. The x100s is still too slow, a bit buggy, especially with the viewfinder eye sensor and battery life/warnings are infuriating for a camera of that cost. The xt1 is really wonderful, feels great in the hand, light, but its expensive for an AF system which, while better, you simply cannot trust 100 percent.

But the real killer for me is how cheap and how good Nikon slrs are now. The d7100 can be had cheap, its bombproof, massive battery life, superb AF, but most importantly of all, if you are a prime shooter, which I largely am, I am get the 35mm, 50mm and 85mm for next to nothing, all of which are super sharp. What I am currently looking into is what to do for primes in the 28-35 range, but I may just have to accept they dont exist and buy the fuji x100s sucessor which I hope will iron out the problems.

Nikon and canon primes are small and cheap...simply put!

Performance/price ratio <- DSLR wins

Performance/size ratio <- mirrorless wins

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Just a Photographer
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zenpmd wrote:

I really want to love them, and in some ways I do, but I remain frustrated. I have owned and sold the xe1, x pro 1, x100s and I am about to return the Xt1.

The xe Fuji cameras are the best I think. They are without the ergonomic quirks of the x pro 1 (no diopter, annoying placement of ae lock), smaller and in the case of the xe2 half decent AF. The x100s is still too slow, a bit buggy, especially with the viewfinder eye sensor and battery life/warnings are infuriating for a camera of that cost. The xt1 is really wonderful, feels great in the hand, light, but its expensive for an AF system which, while better, you simply cannot trust 100 percent.

What are your quirks with the AF of the X-T1?
If you think Nikon is cheap, then I can only say the grass might look greener on the other side of their fence. But once you walk over their grass you'll soon find out that its not that green as you might have thought.

All camera's have their small little problems and no camera is perfect, but as far as the AF of the X-T1 its nearly as good as any prosumer DSLR. I won't say it beats the AF of my D800, but it comes very close... Knowing the D7100 has a lesser AF system I think the difference between the AF of the 7100 and the X-T1 are probably on par.

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zenpmd
zenpmd OP Senior Member • Posts: 1,129
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57LowRider wrote:

You are a restless soul who may never be satisfied - http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53267292

Good luck and hope you find something that you can enjoy.

57low rider - you are right! I have qualified out a FF camera for now, as I think it exceeds my needs, and certainly my appetite for expensive heavy lenses...but I borrowed a friends d5200 and took some photos of my dog and I was very satisfied with the results:

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zenpmd wrote:

I really want to love them, and in some ways I do, but I remain frustrated. I have owned and sold the xe1, x pro 1, x100s and I am about to return the Xt1.

The xe Fuji cameras are the best I think. They are without the ergonomic quirks of the x pro 1 (no diopter, annoying placement of ae lock), smaller and in the case of the xe2 half decent AF. The x100s is still too slow, a bit buggy, especially with the viewfinder eye sensor and battery life/warnings are infuriating for a camera of that cost. The xt1 is really wonderful, feels great in the hand, light, but its expensive for an AF system which, while better, you simply cannot trust 100 percent.

But the real killer for me is how cheap and how good Nikon slrs are now. The d7100 can be had cheap, its bombproof, massive battery life, superb AF, but most importantly of all, if you are a prime shooter, which I largely am, I am get the 35mm, 50mm and 85mm for next to nothing, all of which are super sharp. What I am currently looking into is what to do for primes in the 28-35 range, but I may just have to accept they dont exist and buy the fuji x100s sucessor which I hope will iron out the problems.

Nikon and canon primes are small and cheap...simply put!

Good lord man what are you waiting for, and why are you telling us?  Get the Nikon and never look back!

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proque
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There are no bad cameras anymore only bad photographers . So many good options and I believe everyone is good.

In my case, I chose Fuji as I like innovation mixed with design of the past and lens line-up that will only get better.

I refuse to invest in old technology that is just remodelled and high in marketing innovations.

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Re: Well, certainly not for lack of effort!

Jeff Seltzer wrote:

zenpmd wrote:

I really want to love them, and in some ways I do, but I remain frustrated. I have owned and sold the xe1, x pro 1, x100s and I am about to return the Xt1.

The xe Fuji cameras are the best I think. They are without the ergonomic quirks of the x pro 1 (no diopter, annoying placement of ae lock), smaller and in the case of the xe2 half decent AF. The x100s is still too slow, a bit buggy, especially with the viewfinder eye sensor and battery life/warnings are infuriating for a camera of that cost. The xt1 is really wonderful, feels great in the hand, light, but its expensive for an AF system which, while better, you simply cannot trust 100 percent.

But the real killer for me is how cheap and how good Nikon slrs are now. The d7100 can be had cheap, its bombproof, massive battery life, superb AF, but most importantly of all, if you are a prime shooter, which I largely am, I am get the 35mm, 50mm and 85mm for next to nothing, all of which are super sharp. What I am currently looking into is what to do for primes in the 28-35 range, but I may just have to accept they dont exist and buy the fuji x100s sucessor which I hope will iron out the problems.

Nikon and canon primes are small and cheap...simply put!

I can't believe you've bought and sold that many cameras in such short time! My guess is that you'll buy and sell lots of Nikons, too. Some may say something contentious, like "you need to focus on making images, not cameras." But, I get it - I think buying and selling cameras is part of what makes the hobby fun for you. I do the same thing with lenses. Hopefully, you like the Nikons. Good luck!

not only bought and sold, some of these i just used for 30 days from amazon

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zenpmd wrote:

I really want to love them, and in some ways I do, but I remain frustrated. I have owned and sold the xe1, x pro 1, x100s and I am about to return the Xt1.

The xe Fuji cameras are the best I think. They are without the ergonomic quirks of the x pro 1 (no diopter, annoying placement of ae lock), smaller and in the case of the xe2 half decent AF. The x100s is still too slow, a bit buggy, especially with the viewfinder eye sensor and battery life/warnings are infuriating for a camera of that cost. The xt1 is really wonderful, feels great in the hand, light, but its expensive for an AF system which, while better, you simply cannot trust 100 percent.

But the real killer for me is how cheap and how good Nikon slrs are now. The d7100 can be had cheap, its bombproof, massive battery life, superb AF, but most importantly of all, if you are a prime shooter, which I largely am, I am get the 35mm, 50mm and 85mm for next to nothing, all of which are super sharp. What I am currently looking into is what to do for primes in the 28-35 range, but I may just have to accept they dont exist and buy the fuji x100s sucessor which I hope will iron out the problems.

Nikon and canon primes are small and cheap...simply put!

Easy, just return the camera and move on to what you understand.

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Most of my photography is done on trips, most of them international, where you rarely if ever know the conditions or requirements before hand.  I have used Canon SLR's and compacts (5DMKII, T3i, G12, 10, 9 and G1x, Olympus, Panasonics and Fuji's.

All cameras have trade-offs, not as much now as there used to be they still exist.  For the 5DMKII it was the weight of the camera and a bag of glass on tour for hours day after day.  With many other earlier cameras it was either color rendition, digital noise and lack of abilities at higher ISO, image stabilization, etc.  Recently image stabilization is top rate, and ISO ability has improved dramatically almost regardless of brand. I though the Canon G 1X took remarkable images but was so poorly laid out for me and so clumsy to operate it had to go. ...  but that is a person thing.

I have the X Pro 1 and it's not perfect, but the trade offs to me ...  but my perception of the major trade-offs..  short battery life, is acceptable to have the level of IQ it provides for the carrying weight.  The new grip (2nd one, first one was drilled wrong) helps that issue.  Frankly, I would like better glass from Fuji.  I'll admit the kit glass is great, but it is not pro quality, which I understand comes with additional $$.

It's not perfect, but nothing is.

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zenpmd wrote:

But the real killer for me is how cheap and how good Nikon slrs are now. The d7100 can be had cheap, its bombproof, massive battery life, superb AF, but most importantly of all, if you are a prime shooter, which I largely am, I am get the 35mm, 50mm and 85mm for next to nothing, all of which are super sharp. What I am currently looking into is what to do for primes in the 28-35 range, but I may just have to accept they dont exist and buy the fuji x100s sucessor which I hope will iron out the problems.

Nikon and canon primes are small and cheap...simply put!

Enjoy the Nikons

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Miamistan
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does it matter

I have a nikon dslr 2 lens love it. Use it for eventing with bettet ttl than fuji. Have 2 fujis x bodies 4 fuji lens , love them for travel, street photography, bw right out of the camera. Can get great shots not much post processing. I have a sony rx100 great camera to knock around with. I also have a voightlander with a 15 mm lens film set up. They all could produce a great picture of your dog. Shoot more obsess less about your equipment. By the way a great looking dog.

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Marcos Villaroman
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Bye
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zenpmd wrote:

But the real killer for me is how cheap and how good Nikon slrs are now.

Nikon and canon primes are small and cheap...simply put!

If you don't care about size and weight of a large DSLR kit, stop right there and leave Fuji and mirrorless.

It's not forever.  Your priorities can change over time and options will be very different in a few years.  Why settle for the wrong tool for what you want to do right now?

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Marcos Villaroman wrote:

zenpmd wrote:

But the real killer for me is how cheap and how good Nikon slrs are now.

Nikon and canon primes are small and cheap...simply put!

If you don't care about size and weight of a large DSLR kit, stop right there and leave Fuji and mirrorless.

I agree. If the main benefits of the Fujis, egonomics, size, weight, and IQ, aren't your main considerations you should absolutely go with a different camera.

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