Trouble for Nikon?

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Mr Gadget
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Re: Trouble for Nikon?
In reply to azotor, 6 months ago

Ah, I believe you are the one that said someone should commit suicide, Eh?

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In reply to Mr Gadget, 6 months ago

not really, i suggest that new generations of Japanese to have the courage to keep honor...that means to face the music instead of playing "sb910 for sb900 and d610 for d600 games".

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In reply to dmanthree, 6 months ago

I keep hearing all these complaints and have been buying cameras for 76 years, the only lemon being a Fuji HS10, which went back. Even my Nikon P7000, first out of the dealer's crate, has performed impeccably and continues to do so. My 1996 Fuji MX600 is still going, see below:

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Maybe nikon should.......
In reply to dmanthree, 6 months ago

Start manufacturing all their camera's and lens' in China.  Cause we know China never exports junk!  What a joke this article is.  China is the land of junk manufacturing.  Why is this article even getting web time. LOL.

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Re: Trouble for Nikon?
In reply to azotor, 6 months ago

as mr. spock from star trek would say "fascinating"... nikon has outdone the "d2h"fiasco with the "d600"fiasco..hope this shakes things up..i see a lot of former nikon shooters on the PENTAX  and fuji forums..and a WHOLE lot on the "other" camera forum...the one with the "white L" lenses

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In reply to dmanthree, 6 months ago

China is not a lawless country but Chinese officials very often exercise law selectively. It happens to all investors, foreign and domestic. No exception.

When an investor has strong local support (by bride, favoritism, or local needs), China central government usually won't challenge the locals directly - honors among thieves. Instead, it will take an end-run: State-owned TV will fire the first shot which would be broadcasted nationwide on every station. Web will do the rest. When the whole country is pointing fingers to Nikon, its protector knows it's time to shut up. Now the central government can step in and fix the problem. Face saved, case solved, citizen happy, ... Nikon should feel lucky for the treatment it received. It could be a lot worse - A Japanese company dumping trash in China, after losing its protection?

None of these would happen if not for D600's shutter. Nikon had it coming.

Nikon played dumb in U.S., Nikon dumbly played in China.

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In reply to t.c. marino, 6 months ago

t.c. marino wrote: i see a lot of former nikon shooters on the PENTAX and fuji forums..and a WHOLE lot on the "other" camera forum...the one with the "white L" lenses

wisep01 wrote: So true. And because of that selective pressure, the one's who stay behind will comprise the most vocal apologists, who will increasingly preach to a choir---an ever-shrinking one.

Do you mean this forum? http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3641312

And this one? http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3638230

The grass may seem greener on the other side but in the end it's really still just grass.

Granted, how well a company responds to their manufacturing issues does indeed matter and no doubt Nikon has learned their lesson the hard way (and I certainly hope so.) In the meantime no company is immune from design and/or manufacturing failures.  Not one. Whether it's Mercedes-Benz or Toyota; Porsche or General Motors.

The reality is that humans tend to revel in the failures of others. Which is why videos of people damaging themselves and stories of failed celebrities and politicians are so popular. Immediately attacking another person or any entity's shortcomings soothes the emotions of the inadequacies of our own lives and of our very own personal failures.

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Re: Thats assuming the D600's did not have the new shutter
In reply to sandy b, 6 months ago

sandy b wrote:

Something we certainly don't know, but I suspect they did.

Would you buy one? No way in hell for me.

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Re: Trouble for Nikon?
In reply to Skipper494, 6 months ago

Skipper494 wrote:

I keep hearing all these complaints and have been buying cameras for 76 years, the only lemon being a Fuji HS10, which went back. Even my Nikon P7000, first out of the dealer's crate, has performed impeccably and continues to do so. My 1996 Fuji MX600 is still going, see below:

Bath time

You've been very lucky! Not all of us have. Many have been unlucky when they purchased the D600. All D600 buyers became unlucky when the camera picked up the reputation as a dust magnet, even those who were lucky enough not to have the dust issue.  Nikon confirmed that ill fortune with the notice to correct the issue. If we try to sell our cameras on the used market, D600 owners will get "pennies on the dollar." My D600 is in Melville getting its shutter replaced, and spring is here. That situation is not what I call being lucky.

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Re: China asks Nikon to halt all D600 sales
In reply to Fogsville, 6 months ago

Fogsville wrote:

There's a much bigger story here than China's response to Nikon's debacle. There's some good reading about China's responses to foreign investments and sales within the border. Read about the Chinese car industry and their response to foreign automakers. It's pretty fascinating. Also with corporations like Apple, etc..

I'm not condoning Nikon's behavior with the D600 (and I'm a D600 owner), but Nikon is not in trouble because of Chinese perceptions of Nikon specifically. Sure it will affect sales but there's another issue going on here.....

Funny that they should go after Nikon, who do quite a lot of manufacturing in China, rather than one of the other Japanese camera manufacturers who don't manufacture very much there...

I know China make their own autos, smartphones, etc. and running down foreign competition may help protect or boost sales of products made by Chinese companies - but is there any significant Chinese camera maker?

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Re: Who is being foolish?
In reply to Leonard Shepherd, 6 months ago

Leonard Shepherd wrote:

Nikon are on record as saying the D600 problem is only occasional, and Nikon UK's MD is on the record as saying in the UK there have been very few D600 complaints.

Isn't that the problem? Nikon have said a lot of things about this issue which seem blatantly untrue.

Otherwise why would they now be offering to replace the shutters in all D600s - even out of warranty, bought second hand, grey market, etc.

Yet still it seems they are trying to portray it as a minor dust issue.

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Re: Trouble for Nikon
In reply to pwilly, 6 months ago

pwilly wrote:

Lifer wrote:

Lets face it, Nikon left themselves wide open for this one and who ever is responsible for this debacle should be fired.

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I agree, but how do you fire a vendor, Copal, when no one else makes shutters you can use. I suspect it has taken the last year to produce evidence that Copal was at fault, create a fix, produce and distribute sufficient quantity to avoid debacle part 2.

Maybe Nikon asked Copal to produce the shutters for the D600 at too low a price point - but anyway Nikon should do proper testing and QC of all parts going into their cameras and this should have been picked up.

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