What might a G1X II offer that an EOS M w/ Pancake Zoom might not?

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Solar Eagle
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What might a G1X II offer that an EOS M w/ Pancake Zoom might not?
Mar 15, 2014

That is, supposing that an EOS M pancake zoom eventually comes along?

I haven't really used my G1X since getting an EOS M, due to its smaller size, better optics, larger sensor for 3:2 shooting, and my preference for EOS over Powershot jpeg processing.

The 5cm macro is perhaps the most enticing thing about the G1X II, as I'm guessing an EOS M pancake zoom wouldn't be able to achieve that. The flip screen is another selling point. I would guess lens sharpness would be about the same, and the G1X II would likely pack a wider zoom range. Camera size, sensor size, and jpeg processing would still be to the advantage of the EOS M.

Maybe the better question is, why sit around waiting on the possibility of an EOS pancake zoom when I can have a G1X II in a couple months? lol

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Re: What might a G1X II offer that an EOS M w/ Pancake Zoom might not?
In reply to Solar Eagle, Mar 16, 2014

EOS M is nono for me as long as there is no 24mm equiv pancake zoom.

The G1X mk2 has some advantages over the EOS:

- silent shutter

- flip screen

- built in flash

- macro

- more external controls

as for picture quality, time will tell...

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Solar Eagle wrote:

That is, supposing that an EOS M pancake zoom eventually comes along?

I haven't really used my G1X since getting an EOS M, due to its smaller size, better optics, larger sensor for 3:2 shooting, and my preference for EOS over Powershot jpeg processing.

The 5cm macro is perhaps the most enticing thing about the G1X II, as I'm guessing an EOS M pancake zoom wouldn't be able to achieve that. The flip screen is another selling point. I would guess lens sharpness would be about the same, and the G1X II would likely pack a wider zoom range. Camera size, sensor size, and jpeg processing would still be to the advantage of the EOS M.

Maybe the better question is, why sit around waiting on the possibility of an EOS pancake zoom when I can have a G1X II in a couple months? lol

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You won't see a pancake zoom from Canon for the EOS-M. Not much point with the existing lenses available for it. But a 50mm Prime is on the cards. Personally I'd like to see a decent EF-M Macro lens for this camera.

So idea what you mean by "my preference for EOS over Powershot jpeg processing."
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Re: What might a G1X II offer that an EOS M w/ Pancake Zoom might not?
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Solar Eagle wrote:

That is, supposing that an EOS M pancake zoom eventually comes along?

I haven't really used my G1X since getting an EOS M, due to its smaller size, better optics, larger sensor for 3:2 shooting, and my preference for EOS over Powershot jpeg processing.

The 5cm macro is perhaps the most enticing thing about the G1X II, as I'm guessing an EOS M pancake zoom wouldn't be able to achieve that. The flip screen is another selling point. I would guess lens sharpness would be about the same, and the G1X II would likely pack a wider zoom range. Camera size, sensor size, and jpeg processing would still be to the advantage of the EOS M.

Maybe the better question is, why sit around waiting on the possibility of an EOS pancake zoom when I can have a G1X II in a couple months? lol

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None of the pancake zooms on any of the other formats are great, they're sacrificing size for image quality, I very much doubt the mk2 will be doing that if the mk1 is anything to go by. So in a nutshell, range and image quality will be the pluses of the mk2 against anything with a kit powerzoom.

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Re: What might a G1X II offer that an EOS M w/ Pancake Zoom might not?
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Solar Eagle wrote:

That is, supposing that an EOS M pancake zoom eventually comes along?

I haven't really used my G1X since getting an EOS M, due to its smaller size, better optics, larger sensor for 3:2 shooting, and my preference for EOS over Powershot jpeg processing.

The 5cm macro is perhaps the most enticing thing about the G1X II, as I'm guessing an EOS M pancake zoom wouldn't be able to achieve that. The flip screen is another selling point. I would guess lens sharpness would be about the same, and the G1X II would likely pack a wider zoom range. Camera size, sensor size, and jpeg processing would still be to the advantage of the EOS M.

Maybe the better question is, why sit around waiting on the possibility of an EOS pancake zoom when I can have a G1X II in a couple months? lol

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I suppose that depends on your needs.  For me, the painstakingly slow AF on the the EOS M makes it a non-contender.

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Re: What might a G1X II offer that an EOS M w/ Pancake Zoom might not?
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- a non artificially-limited software features set

- a better manual or semi-manual shooting expérience thanks to more external controls

- an optional view finder

- a 24mm f/2

- a 120mm f/4

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Re: What might a G1X II offer that an EOS M w/ Pancake Zoom might not?
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Marco Nero wrote:

Solar Eagle wrote:

That is, supposing that an EOS M pancake zoom eventually comes along?

I haven't really used my G1X since getting an EOS M, due to its smaller size, better optics, larger sensor for 3:2 shooting, and my preference for EOS over Powershot jpeg processing.

The 5cm macro is perhaps the most enticing thing about the G1X II, as I'm guessing an EOS M pancake zoom wouldn't be able to achieve that. The flip screen is another selling point. I would guess lens sharpness would be about the same, and the G1X II would likely pack a wider zoom range. Camera size, sensor size, and jpeg processing would still be to the advantage of the EOS M.

Maybe the better question is, why sit around waiting on the possibility of an EOS pancake zoom when I can have a G1X II in a couple months? lol

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You won't see a pancake zoom from Canon for the EOS-M. Not much point with the existing lenses available for it. But a 50mm Prime is on the cards. Personally I'd like to see a decent EF-M Macro lens for this camera.

So idea what you mean by "my preference for EOS over Powershot jpeg processing."
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Re: What might a G1X II offer that an EOS M w/ Pancake Zoom might not?
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papillon_65 wrote:

Maybe the better question is, why sit around waiting on the possibility of an EOS pancake zoom when I can have a G1X II in a couple months? lol
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None of the pancake zooms on any of the other formats are great, they're sacrificing size for image quality, I very much doubt the mk2 will be doing that if the mk1 is anything to go by. So in a nutshell, range and image quality will be the pluses of the mk2 against anything with a kit powerzoom.

Yes, pancake zooms usually have lower image quality (not always, e.g. the GM1 kit zoom seems to be pretty good), slow aperture and compromised ergonomics (only electronic controls). There was a rumor recently about coming pancake zooms for EOS-M, so who knows ...

The most important difference IMHO is that there is NO lens available on EOS-M with the 24-120mm equiv. zoom reach and bright aperture of the G1X2 zoom, and I don't think there will ever be such a lens. People who need such a lens have no alternative on EOS-M (or APS-C DSLR platform), the only similar option is the rumored Nikon P8000.

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Re: What might a G1X II offer that an EOS M w/ Pancake Zoom might not?
In reply to Marco Nero, Mar 19, 2014

Looks like the perfect Canon EOS M3 design.  Grip, articulating LCD, pancake zoom.  Hope the EOS M3 is basically this design.

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How did you work out this photo?  It is the perfect EOS M 3 design.

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perfect if you like the articulating screen in the way of your left hand using both control dials.

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No-one says you have to swivel out the screen all the time.

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