Sony A6000 Feature Demo by Sony Rep

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Sony A6000 Feature Demo by Sony Rep
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Just found this feature demo of the Sony A6000 on my daily check for updated videos of the Sony A6000 Video starts around the 5-6 min mark.. looks like an internal sony presentation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f9C2u_dMP0

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AF-A mode is interesting. Automatically switches between AF-S and AF-C?

Am i understanding correctly?

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Watching this now, its very interesting as a prospective A6000 owner

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And she confirms you can still use the flash for ceiling bounce

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bryanchicken wrote:

AF-A mode is interesting. Automatically switches between AF-S and AF-C?

Am i understanding correctly?

Yes thats what he says it does.. quite an good feature ...

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bryanchicken wrote:

AF-A mode is interesting. Automatically switches between AF-S and AF-C?

Am i understanding correctly?

Yes thats what he says it does.. quite an good feature ...

Yes i agree. For me, a fairly rubbish amateur, this would be my goto AF mode. Pretty much 99% of the time i'd be on this if it works well

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sriks wrote:

Just found this feature demo of the Sony A6000 on my daily check for updated videos of the Sony A6000 Video starts around the 5-6 min mark.. looks like an internal sony presentation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f9C2u_dMP0

Thank you for sharing this

It seems like the AF area size can be changed, like on the A7/r, which is good

The 'bounce flash' feature sounds rather 'unofficial'

Surprised she didn't mention the buffer, which seems like another big improvement over previous bodies to me

Glad that they are going to do a bit more work at communications after the bodies are released (final comments) as this is clearly an area which is lacking at the moment.  I'm not sure that it is an 'internal' communication as she kept talking about 'your customers' and at one point said something like 'I know you might think Sony would say this but check with...' when talking about AF - maybe it is intended for resellers and camera stores?

Final details on some of the precise features still seem surprisingly sketchy - lots of comparisons made with NEX-6 but no comments about the change of interface or specifics like display modes (histogram, level display etc) or differences in user experience from the older model. The lady seems to have handled the camera (ie. talking about the bounce flash and how it raised higher than the NEX-6 flash) and was rather 'chatty' in her presentation style but still seemed strangely 'remote' from the camera - are they still limited to pre-production firmwares even now?

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parallaxproblem wrote:

sriks wrote:

Just found this feature demo of the Sony A6000 on my daily check for updated videos of the Sony A6000 Video starts around the 5-6 min mark.. looks like an internal sony presentation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f9C2u_dMP0

Thank you for sharing this

It seems like the AF area size can be changed, like on the A7/r, which is good

The 'bounce flash' feature sounds rather 'unofficial'

Surprised she didn't mention the buffer, which seems like another big improvement over previous bodies to me

Glad that they are going to do a bit more work at communications after the bodies are released (final comments) as this is clearly an area which is lacking at the moment. I'm not sure that it is an 'internal' communication as she kept talking about 'your customers' and at one point said something like 'I know you might think Sony would say this but check with...' when talking about AF - maybe it is intended for resellers and camera stores?

Probably.

Final details on some of the precise features still seem surprisingly sketchy - lots of comparisons made with NEX-6 but no comments about the change of interface or specifics like display modes (histogram, level display etc)

Perhaps that would be too much in-the-weeds for what they intended?

or differences in user experience from the older model. The lady seems to have handled the camera (ie. talking about the bounce flash and how it raised higher than the NEX-6 flash) and was rather 'chatty' in her presentation style but still seemed strangely 'remote' from the camera - are they still limited to pre-production firmwares even now?

It may be that even people selling the camera aren't really into the cameras like we are.  Some of us are very obsessive about the details and use the cameras in-depth.  While it'd be nice if a sales person was really that deep into it, they can be knowledgeable about most of it without really experiencing the full depth of its capabilities.  I say this not just of cameras, but thinking of other industries as well.

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GaryW wrote:

It may be that even people selling the camera aren't really into the cameras like we are. Some of us are very obsessive about the details and use the cameras in-depth. While it'd be nice if a sales person was really that deep into it, they can be knowledgeable about most of it without really experiencing the full depth of its capabilities. I say this not just of cameras, but thinking of other industries as well.

In this case I was actually rather impressed by the way the lady giving the presentations seemsto be an enthusiast. She talked about travelling with the NEX-6 and using an over-sized flash with it, but of course these could just have been sales tricks and the application of NLP techniques... unfortunately I fall for those rather too easily

I agree with your concerns about sellers being surprisingly unknowledgable.  If I was selling something I would try to understand it and what is was capable of: what else was available in the market and what the benefits/disadvantages of each were.  I would do this just because it would make the job so much easier, even if the product was septic tanks, wood treatments or whatever.  How awful to have to spend 9 hours a day selling something you aren't at all interested in and know next to nothing about to people!

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Just did a quick google on the youtube username

ended up here

Event Marketing And Training Specialist, Digital Imaging at Sony of Canada Ltd.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/patrick-chan/26/b8/111

They are probably part of the team who train retail stores.. Though most of us would like more details, i believe the details would fly over the heads of store staff (well most of them)

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bryanchicken wrote:

AF-A mode is interesting. Automatically switches between AF-S and AF-C?

Am i understanding correctly?

Yes thats what he says it does.. quite an good feature ...

The YouTuber that uploaded the a6000, nex6, and nex7 AF comparison already put up a video using AF-A. If no one else tracks it down before I get home I'll link it.

Nothing really new in the video if you have been posting close attention to the pre production previews. If nothing else this video puts to rest the pdaf/cdaf in AF-S as well as the flash bounce discussion.

I hope they don't track down the generous Sony store employee who streamed this "confidential" presentation.

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Angled micro-lenses on the sensor edge
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Is the angling of the corner micro lenses something new?  If so, it means lenses will have a little less vignetting and the lens profiles will need to be updated.

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Bart Hickman wrote:

Is the angling of the corner micro lenses something new? If so, it means lenses will have a little less vignetting and the lens profiles will need to be updated.

I believe this was introduced with A7R, they advertized the same thing eg. angled microlenses and gapless design the 36 Mpixel FF sensor in A7R.

Not sure how big the effect is in real life with APS-C sized sensor, but in theory you are right this would affect the lens profiles. Also, the gapless design in A7R was said to improve light gathering and low light performance and A7R did beat the A7 in ISO test in dxomark. I'm supposed to get my A6000 in 9th of April and I'm really looking forward on what the sensor and AF can do.

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It cannot do Sony any harm. A really slick but relaxed presentation which will sell the camera more than the official marketing when it comes out. I like the way bounce flash is approved but at your own risk which is re-assuring.

The A6000 sounds really good and I wonder if Sony wished they had never brought out the Nex7 as it may create a group who understandably will not welcome the new camera, but would be perfectly happy if the Nex6 was all there ever had been.

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I hope they don't track down the generous Sony store employee who streamed this "confidential" presentation.

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Greynerd wrote:

It cannot do Sony any harm. A really slick but relaxed presentation which will sell the camera more than the official marketing when it comes out. I like the way bounce flash is approved but at your own risk which is re-assuring.

The A6000 sounds really good and I wonder if Sony wished they had never brought out the Nex7 as it may create a group who understandably will not welcome the new camera, but would be perfectly happy if the Nex6 was all there ever had been.

There seem to be a group of people who would be happy to pay 50-100% more for the A6000 if it had another control dial (even if it was behind battery door), a bit more polished frame, mic input (nevermind the new hotshoe options) and a higher resolution EVF. Not that they have seen the EVF the A6000 has and what it can do...

The original Nex-7 launch price "place" is now occupied with camera called Sony A7. But that one does have a hump and as we know that ruins any camera, even if could do 100 fps @ 200 megapixel medium format sensor with perfect AF-C in -5 EV darkness...

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tn1krr wrote:

Bart Hickman wrote:

Is the angling of the corner micro lenses something new? If so, it means lenses will have a little less vignetting and the lens profiles will need to be updated.

I believe this was introduced with A7R, they advertized the same thing eg. angled microlenses and gapless design the 36 Mpixel FF sensor in A7R.

Not sure how big the effect is in real life with APS-C sized sensor, but in theory you are right this would affect the lens profiles. Also, the gapless design in A7R was said to improve light gathering and low light performance and A7R did beat the A7 in ISO test in dxomark. I'm supposed to get my A6000 in 9th of April and I'm really looking forward on what the sensor and AF can do.

Not an expert on the tech but would this feature help with low-light performance?

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The gapless design supposedly directs more light to each diode(?) so that is at least part of the goal.

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bryanchicken wrote:

tn1krr wrote:

Bart Hickman wrote:

Is the angling of the corner micro lenses something new? If so, it means lenses will have a little less vignetting and the lens profiles will need to be updated.

I believe this was introduced with A7R, they advertized the same thing eg. angled microlenses and gapless design the 36 Mpixel FF sensor in A7R.

Not sure how big the effect is in real life with APS-C sized sensor, but in theory you are right this would affect the lens profiles. Also, the gapless design in A7R was said to improve light gathering and low light performance and A7R did beat the A7 in ISO test in dxomark. I'm supposed to get my A6000 in 9th of April and I'm really looking forward on what the sensor and AF can do.

Not an expert on the tech but would this feature help with low-light performance?

Gapless design and andless microlenses means better fill rate ==> bigger proportion of sensor is used to receive photons ==> better low light performance.

This Sony A7R page mentions better sensitivity and better sigmal to noise, sounds like low light performance to me.

http://www.sony.net/Products/di/en-us/products/o4j5/index.html#features

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Notes from this useful Presentation
In reply to sriks, 9 months ago

Thanks for posting this. I took notes on topics that have appeared as questions or concerns in other forum postings:

For those wanting to watch, it really starts at around 10 minutes

NOTES:

A6000 is clearly positioned as the Nex7 successor.  "Those upgrading from Nex 7 will be happy"

Two benefits of gapless microlenses: 1.  better handling of angled light at the sensor edge (this is the color shift and vignetting issue that was seen when using certain WA lenses on the Nex7) and 2. more light collection for better low light performance

It uses ONLY phase detect AF when set for continuous AF (for speed) but uses both PD and CD in other modes.

A new mode, AF-A, switches dynamically between Hybrid-PDCD-AF when a target is stationary to only PD (for speed) when that subject starts to move.

Has variable size Lock-on AF zones for large objects

Has eye-AF for precise focus on pupils.

The new multiinterface shoe is an upgrade from Nex7 and is iso compatible for non Sony devices such as lighting and microphones

Users can tilt built in flash back for bounce, but Sony does  not promote this for fear of damage to the unit

The presenter does not claim that the VF is an upgrade, just that it is very good and all 3rd party reviews have been very happy with it.

The presentation was posted by the presenter and is for store personnel.

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