Blasted OM-D focusing

Started 4 months ago | Discussions
Louis_Dobson
Forum ProPosts: 26,387
Like?
Blasted OM-D focusing
4 months ago

I don't have any of the issues some people have had with the OM-D.  In every way except one I find it a brilliant camera.  Shutter shock?  Never get it.  Handling / size issues?  Works perfectly for me.  Menu structures?  No problem!
Many of you have been here a few years know who I am.  I'm not bad at this stuff.  I've drifted sideways from semi-pro photography into dog rescue - I use a camera as much as before, but it is no longer art, it is dog sales, and you don't want to see that, so you rarely hear from me now.
But the focusing is just awful.  It is pin point accurate, unlike my old Nikon D3, and blisteringly fast, unlike previous generations.  It just keeps grabbing the background!  Not only does it ruin 5% of shots, as did dSLRs, but it doesn't miss individual shots, it misses every shot on 5% of occasions, which is much worse, because you have t drive 500 miles to re-do the shoot!
I'm really four letter word fed up with this.  Is the EM-1 any better?  
And yes, I know how to set it to the smallest point.  The smallest point is NOT SMALL ENOUGH. Not small enough by several billion, million miles.
A nearly brilliant camera, ruined by a really infuriating flaw.
FOCUS WITHIN THE GREEN SQUARE YOU PIECE OF XXXX!
Seriously annoyed.  Unless you can fill a quarter of the frame with what you plan to focus on, the AF is useless.  It just adores the foliage behind.

-- hide signature --

www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com

Nikon D3
If you believe there are incorrect tags, please send us this post using our feedback form.
dgrogers
Veteran MemberPosts: 6,650
Like?
Re: Blasted OM-D focusing
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago

Are you on the most recent firmware?

-- hide signature --

Completely infatuated with the "OMG"

Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
EGenius007
Regular MemberPosts: 141Gear list
Like?
Re: Blasted OM-D focusing
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago

The E-M1 and E-M10 have 81 focus points (9x9) compared to the 35 of the E-M5 (which is what I'm inferring you mean by "OM-D" - there are siblings now!)

 EGenius007's gear list:EGenius007's gear list
Olympus OM-D E-M10 Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 45mm 1:1.8 Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm 1:4-5.6 R Panasonic Lumix G 14mm F2.5 ASPH Olympus Body Cap Lens 15mm F8.0 +5 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Richie S
Regular MemberPosts: 482
Like?
Re: Blasted OM-D focusing
In reply to dgrogers, 4 months ago

dgrogers wrote:

Are you on the most recent firmware?

-- hide signature --

Completely infatuated with the "OMG"

Yep, the latest firmware update added small focusing points. There was a bit of trick to shrinking if before with the magnify setting, but now it's an easy select in the AF menu.

Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Brian Wadie
Veteran MemberPosts: 5,288Gear list
Like?
Re: Blasted OM-D focusing
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago

Louis, things that I had to do to stop it wandering and focus where I wanted

- switch of eye focus

- switch off continuous focus

- switch of Tracking

- switch on high refresh rate on the EVF

- switch off touch screen and LCD

- set CAF focus lock to normal

- mainly shoot SAF + M except where there are clear backgrounds and good contrast differential, when I may shoot CAF with smallest single point or 9 point box

Now it doesn't wander, even when shooting black on black in the studio or small birds hiding in conflicting and confusing foliage

(these apply to EM-1, but in a reduced set also to the EM-5)

You shouldn't be having this problem

(among other things I also shoot dogs and cats )

-- hide signature --

So much to learn, so little time left to do it!

 Brian Wadie's gear list:Brian Wadie's gear list
Olympus E-M1 Olympus OM-D E-M5 Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 9-18mm 1:4.0-5.6 Panasonic Lumix G X Vario 35-100mm F2.8 OIS Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 60mm 1:2.8 Macro +3 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
David Kieltyka
Veteran MemberPosts: 4,342Gear list
Like?
With the latest firmware...
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago

...the E-M5 now has optional smaller focus rectangles. Note that even with older firmware you can shrink the focus point size by activating the manual focus rectangle (works even in AF mode) and setting it to 14x.

-Dave-

 David Kieltyka's gear list:David Kieltyka's gear list
Olympus OM-D E-M5 Pentax 645D Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Olympus E-M1 Sony Alpha 7R +7 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Louis_Dobson
Forum ProPosts: 26,387
Like?
Re: With the latest firmware...
In reply to David Kieltyka, 4 months ago

David Kieltyka wrote:

...the E-M5 now has optional smaller focus rectangles. Note that even with older firmware you can shrink the focus point size by activating the manual focus rectangle (works even in AF mode) and setting it to 14x.

-Dave-

Thanks folks - no I have not upgraded the firmware, I'm a computer person in another life, so I don't risk bricking things for no reason, and as at now I've seen nothing in the FW upgrades that I want.  
I set the camera to 14x by instinct as soon as I pick it up.  I leave it set there anyway, but I like to be sure!
14x is just not enough.  Would more recent firmware let me take it in tighter?

-- hide signature --

www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com

Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
richarddd
Senior MemberPosts: 2,681Gear list
Like?
Re: With the latest firmware...
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago

Louis_Dobson wrote:

David Kieltyka wrote:

...the E-M5 now has optional smaller focus rectangles. Note that even with older firmware you can shrink the focus point size by activating the manual focus rectangle (works even in AF mode) and setting it to 14x.

-Dave-

Thanks folks - no I have not upgraded the firmware, I'm a computer person in another life, so I don't risk bricking things for no reason, and as at now I've seen nothing in the FW upgrades that I want.
I set the camera to 14x by instinct as soon as I pick it up. I leave it set there anyway, but I like to be sure!
14x is just not enough. Would more recent firmware let me take it in tighter?

-- hide signature --

www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com

There are two systems for setting AF points on the EM5

1) A 5x7 grid - see page 44 of the pdf manual. With the old firmware, you could set the AF area to one square, 3x3 or the entire 5x7. The new firmware lets you choose a point smaller than one square. Access the grid, push info, set size of AF target with arrows.

2) The zoom frame - see page 45 of the pdf manual. This lets you set the AF target to sizes from 5x to 14x. The new firmware didn't change this.

I believe the new AF point is smaller than the 14x from the zoom frame.

If I missed something, no doubt someone will correct me.

 richarddd's gear list:richarddd's gear list
Olympus OM-D E-M5 Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm F4 ASPH Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 12-50mm 1:3.5-6.3 EZ Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 45mm 1:1.8 Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm 1:4-5.6 R +1 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
zuikowesty
Senior MemberPosts: 1,144Gear list
Like?
Re: Blasted OM-D focusing
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago

Do you have face detect on? It will override the focus point, and pet faces will be detected. Although, if working correctly, it should nail the focus on the eye(s) depending on the option set.

Can you post some samples with EXIF and details of the shots?

-- hide signature --
 zuikowesty's gear list:zuikowesty's gear list
Olympus OM-D E-M5 Olympus Stylus Tough-3000 Olympus Stylus 5010 Olympus E-410 Olympus PEN E-PM2 +10 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
peter ny
Regular MemberPosts: 101
Like?
Re: With the latest firmware...
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago

Louis_Dobson wrote:

David Kieltyka wrote:

...the E-M5 now has optional smaller focus rectangles. Note that even with older firmware you can shrink the focus point size by activating the manual focus rectangle (works even in AF mode) and setting it to 14x.

-Dave-

Thanks folks - no I have not upgraded the firmware, I'm a computer person in another life, so I don't risk bricking things for no reason, and as at now I've seen nothing in the FW upgrades that I want.
I set the camera to 14x by instinct as soon as I pick it up. I leave it set there anyway, but I like to be sure!
14x is just not enough. Would more recent firmware let me take it in tighter?

-- hide signature --

www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com

Yes, the new firmware gives you a box somewhat smaller than the size you are used to. For that reason alone, for me, the update was worthwhile.

Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Mk82
Junior MemberPosts: 33Gear list
Like?
Re: With the latest firmware...
In reply to richarddd, 4 months ago

Thanks for those tips. Didn't know that the focus magnification rectangle changed the focus point size as well.

Spotted altought that the focus point frame is enlarged in magnified view too to present its size.

And I don't know how much smaller it really is usable to get as the smallest is already very small. Otherwise I would take manual focus already. As trying to get focus based few pixel position isn't wise by my opinion.

Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
grendak
Junior MemberPosts: 30Gear list
Like?
Re: With the latest firmware...
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago

Louis_Dobson wrote:

Thanks folks - no I have not upgraded the firmware, I'm a computer person in another life, so I don't risk bricking things for no reason, and as at now I've seen nothing in the FW upgrades that I want.
I set the camera to 14x by instinct as soon as I pick it up. I leave it set there anyway, but I like to be sure!
14x is just not enough. Would more recent firmware let me take it in tighter?

-- hide signature --

www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com

What are you trying to focus on that 14x isn't enough? Don't forget, you need contrast inside of that 14x box in order for CDAF to work.  I've had no issue with either the 14x or the small AF box nailing the focus on the eye of an animal each and every time.  Are you trying to track something?  And if so, is it moving very fast?

 grendak's gear list:grendak's gear list
Olympus PEN E-PL5 Olympus OM-D E-M10 Panasonic Lumix G Vario 100-300mm F4-5.6 OIS Panasonic Lumix G 20mm F1.7 ASPH Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm 1:4-5.6 +3 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Paulmorgan
Senior MemberPosts: 1,602
Like?
Re: Blasted OM-D focusing
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago

Louis_Dobson wrote:

I don't have any of the issues some people have had with the OM-D. In every way except one I find it a brilliant camera. Shutter shock? Never get it. Handling / size issues? Works perfectly for me. Menu structures? No problem!
Many of you have been here a few years know who I am. I'm not bad at this stuff. I've drifted sideways from semi-pro photography into dog rescue - I use a camera as much as before, but it is no longer art, it is dog sales, and you don't want to see that, so you rarely hear from me now.
But the focusing is just awful. It is pin point accurate, unlike my old Nikon D3, and blisteringly fast, unlike previous generations. It just keeps grabbing the background! Not only does it ruin 5% of shots, as did dSLRs, but it doesn't miss individual shots, it misses every shot on 5% of occasions, which is much worse, because you have t drive 500 miles to re-do the shoot!
I'm really four letter word fed up with this. Is the EM-1 any better?
And yes, I know how to set it to the smallest point. The smallest point is NOT SMALL ENOUGH. Not small enough by several billion, million miles.
A nearly brilliant camera, ruined by a really infuriating flaw.
FOCUS WITHIN THE GREEN SQUARE YOU PIECE OF XXXX!
Seriously annoyed. Unless you can fill a quarter of the frame with what you plan to focus on, the AF is useless. It just adores the foliage behind.

-- hide signature --

www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com

Its all swings and roundabouts with contrast V Phase detect auto-focus, each have there advantages and disadvantages.

The EM1 will be better simply because it uses both contrast detect and phase detect auto-focus.

Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
cosmonaut
Senior MemberPosts: 1,861Gear list
Like?
Re: Blasted OM-D focusing
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago

Louis_Dobson wrote:

I don't have any of the issues some people have had with the OM-D. In every way except one I find it a brilliant camera. Shutter shock? Never get it. Handling / size issues? Works perfectly for me. Menu structures? No problem!
Many of you have been here a few years know who I am. I'm not bad at this stuff. I've drifted sideways from semi-pro photography into dog rescue - I use a camera as much as before, but it is no longer art, it is dog sales, and you don't want to see that, so you rarely hear from me now.
But the focusing is just awful. It is pin point accurate, unlike my old Nikon D3, and blisteringly fast, unlike previous generations. It just keeps grabbing the background! Not only does it ruin 5% of shots, as did dSLRs, but it doesn't miss individual shots, it misses every shot on 5% of occasions, which is much worse, because you have t drive 500 miles to re-do the shoot!
I'm really four letter word fed up with this. Is the EM-1 any better?
And yes, I know how to set it to the smallest point. The smallest point is NOT SMALL ENOUGH. Not small enough by several billion, million miles.
A nearly brilliant camera, ruined by a really infuriating flaw.
FOCUS WITHIN THE GREEN SQUARE YOU PIECE OF XXXX!
Seriously annoyed. Unless you can fill a quarter of the frame with what you plan to focus on, the AF is useless. It just adores the foliage behind.

-- hide signature --

www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com

I agree. I know my a7R is slower but what good is fast if it misses to much? My a7R isn't the best at tracking but once it hits focus it hits it, period.

-- hide signature --

www.gregmccary.com

Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Martin.au
Senior MemberPosts: 5,408
Like?
Re: Blasted OM-D focusing
In reply to Paulmorgan, 4 months ago

Paulmorgan wrote:

Louis_Dobson wrote:

I don't have any of the issues some people have had with the OM-D. In every way except one I find it a brilliant camera. Shutter shock? Never get it. Handling / size issues? Works perfectly for me. Menu structures? No problem!
Many of you have been here a few years know who I am. I'm not bad at this stuff. I've drifted sideways from semi-pro photography into dog rescue - I use a camera as much as before, but it is no longer art, it is dog sales, and you don't want to see that, so you rarely hear from me now.
But the focusing is just awful. It is pin point accurate, unlike my old Nikon D3, and blisteringly fast, unlike previous generations. It just keeps grabbing the background! Not only does it ruin 5% of shots, as did dSLRs, but it doesn't miss individual shots, it misses every shot on 5% of occasions, which is much worse, because you have t drive 500 miles to re-do the shoot!
I'm really four letter word fed up with this. Is the EM-1 any better?
And yes, I know how to set it to the smallest point. The smallest point is NOT SMALL ENOUGH. Not small enough by several billion, million miles.
A nearly brilliant camera, ruined by a really infuriating flaw.
FOCUS WITHIN THE GREEN SQUARE YOU PIECE OF XXXX!
Seriously annoyed. Unless you can fill a quarter of the frame with what you plan to focus on, the AF is useless. It just adores the foliage behind.

-- hide signature --

www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com

Its all swings and roundabouts with contrast V Phase detect auto-focus, each have there advantages and disadvantages.

The EM1 will be better simply because it uses both contrast detect and phase detect auto-focus.

For this type of shot the E-M1 will have no advantage over a firmware updated E-M5. Both will be using CDAF and have the smaller focus box.

I'd try face recognition, and for critical shots 500 miles away, I'd shoot a few double checking the focus with the 14x magnification and MF.

I've had very few issues shooting animals with either camera.

Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
LaMesa
Senior MemberPosts: 2,230Gear list
Like?
Louis,
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago
-- hide signature --
 LaMesa's gear list:LaMesa's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS5 Olympus OM-D E-M10 Samyang 7.5mm F3.5 UMC Fisheye MFT Panasonic Lumix G 20mm F1.7 ASPH Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 14-150mm 1:4-5.6 +1 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
maljo@inreach.com
Veteran MemberPosts: 6,577
Like?
Check focus before driving 500 miles?
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago

For macro images the focus can be off as well.  The D800 focuses really well.  Mirrorless is not DSLR.

I make an image and check it on the LCD to be sure what I want is in focus.

For dogs:

Get closer.

Zoom in, lock focus, then zoom happy.

Manually focus

Use face detect if photographing dog faces.

Slow down.

I have fewer problems with the EM1 than I did with the EM5.

maljo

Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
LaMesa
Senior MemberPosts: 2,230Gear list
Like?
Louis,
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago

I would guess that you, in the early days of your photographic career, did take most of your pictures without autofocus. Focussing manually, your intelligent mind helped you to distinguish your subject from the background foilage. The smartest autofocus in the world can not do that.

With an autofocus failure rate of only 5% you are a lucky man. My guess is that the failures were always there, but you suddenly became allergic. Why don't you use the setting "S-AF+MF", which allows you to correct or fine tune the AF setting?

Greetings from North Germany,

Herbert

-- hide signature --
 LaMesa's gear list:LaMesa's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS5 Olympus OM-D E-M10 Samyang 7.5mm F3.5 UMC Fisheye MFT Panasonic Lumix G 20mm F1.7 ASPH Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 14-150mm 1:4-5.6 +1 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
EarthQuake
Senior MemberPosts: 1,118Gear list
Like?
Re: Blasted OM-D focusing
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago

Louis_Dobson wrote:

I don't have any of the issues some people have had with the OM-D. In every way except one I find it a brilliant camera. Shutter shock? Never get it. Handling / size issues? Works perfectly for me. Menu structures? No problem!
Many of you have been here a few years know who I am. I'm not bad at this stuff. I've drifted sideways from semi-pro photography into dog rescue - I use a camera as much as before, but it is no longer art, it is dog sales, and you don't want to see that, so you rarely hear from me now.
But the focusing is just awful. It is pin point accurate, unlike my old Nikon D3, and blisteringly fast, unlike previous generations. It just keeps grabbing the background! Not only does it ruin 5% of shots, as did dSLRs, but it doesn't miss individual shots, it misses every shot on 5% of occasions, which is much worse, because you have t drive 500 miles to re-do the shoot!
I'm really four letter word fed up with this. Is the EM-1 any better?
And yes, I know how to set it to the smallest point. The smallest point is NOT SMALL ENOUGH. Not small enough by several billion, million miles.
A nearly brilliant camera, ruined by a really infuriating flaw.
FOCUS WITHIN THE GREEN SQUARE YOU PIECE OF XXXX!
Seriously annoyed. Unless you can fill a quarter of the frame with what you plan to focus on, the AF is useless. It just adores the foliage behind.

-- hide signature --

www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com

The firmware update helps a lot, but the EM1 is even better.

Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Michael J Davis
Senior MemberPosts: 2,426Gear list
Like?
Re: With the latest firmware...
In reply to Louis_Dobson, 4 months ago

Louis_Dobson wrote:

Thanks folks - no I have not upgraded the firmware, I'm a computer person in another life, so I don't risk bricking things for no reason, and as at now I've seen nothing in the FW upgrades that I want.
I set the camera to 14x by instinct as soon as I pick it up. I leave it set there anyway, but I like to be sure!
14x is just not enough. Would more recent firmware let me take it in tighter?

1. Hi Louis - nice to hear from you!
2. As someone whose camera 'bricked' on the first update, I was nervous about the latest update, but all went smoothly.
3. The smallest focus box has, so far, happily overcome the tendency of even the 14x box to wander off and grab the background.  I guess it would even let you focus on the dog's eye, if you wanted.
You'll have to try it and see. 
My problem is that I keep pushing the 14x button from habit, and then forgetting how to reset it!
Best wishes
Mike

-- hide signature --

Mike Davis
Photographing the public for over 50 years
www.flickr.com/photos/watchman

 Michael J Davis's gear list:Michael J Davis's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DMC-G1 Olympus OM-D E-M5 Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 45mm 1:1.8 Panasonic Lumix G 20mm F1.7 ASPH Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm F4 ASPH +2 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Keyboard shortcuts:
FForum MMy threads