HVL-F60M on A7

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HVL-F60M on A7
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I got this flash together with the A7.  I am having problem getting the IR assist to work.  On my Canon, the IR assist just turns on when the scene is too dark.  I can't seem to get this one to go even in a completely dark room.  I have read the manual but couldn't pin point what I am not setting correctly.  Anyone have any suggestions? I am an experienced shooter but this is my first SONY.

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drjs wrote:

I got this flash together with the A7. I am having problem getting the IR assist to work. On my Canon, the IR assist just turns on when the scene is too dark. I can't seem to get this one to go even in a completely dark room. I have read the manual but couldn't pin point what I am not setting correctly. Anyone have any suggestions? I am an experienced shooter but this is my first SONY.

The AF Assist beam does not work in any any external flash when attached to an E Mount camera. The compatibility list below is for F43AM but it is same with all Sony flashes and E Mount cameras. Actually the AF Illuminator does not work even with the flagship A99...

http://www.sony-asia.com/support/resources/en_AP/html/Compatibility/DSLR/Flash/sony/F43AM.html

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drjs wrote:

I got this flash together with the A7. I am having problem getting the IR assist to work. On my Canon, the IR assist just turns on when the scene is too dark. I can't seem to get this one to go even in a completely dark room. I have read the manual but couldn't pin point what I am not setting correctly. Anyone have any suggestions? I am an experienced shooter but this is my first SONY.

The AF Assist beam does not work in any any external flash when attached to an E Mount camera. The compatibility list below is for F43AM but it is same with all Sony flashes and E Mount cameras. Actually the AF Illuminator does not work even with the flagship A99...

http://www.sony-asia.com/support/resources/en_AP/html/Compatibility/DSLR/Flash/sony/F43AM.html

Thanks for the quick reply.  Do you know if this is a limitation of the A7 or the flash?

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tn1krr wrote:

drjs wrote:

I got this flash together with the A7. I am having problem getting the IR assist to work. On my Canon, the IR assist just turns on when the scene is too dark. I can't seem to get this one to go even in a completely dark room. I have read the manual but couldn't pin point what I am not setting correctly. Anyone have any suggestions? I am an experienced shooter but this is my first SONY.

The AF Assist beam does not work in any any external flash when attached to an E Mount camera. The compatibility list below is for F43AM but it is same with all Sony flashes and E Mount cameras. Actually the AF Illuminator does not work even with the flagship A99...

http://www.sony-asia.com/support/resources/en_AP/html/Compatibility/DSLR/Flash/sony/F43AM.html

Thanks for the quick reply. Do you know if this is a limitation of the A7 or the flash?

Since the AF Illuminator on these flashes work with a pile of A mount bodies I'd say it is the limitation of camera body. There is no known flash available that would give you the external AF illuminator with an E Mount camera.

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tn1krr wrote:

drjs wrote:

I got this flash together with the A7. I am having problem getting the IR assist to work. On my Canon, the IR assist just turns on when the scene is too dark. I can't seem to get this one to go even in a completely dark room. I have read the manual but couldn't pin point what I am not setting correctly. Anyone have any suggestions? I am an experienced shooter but this is my first SONY.

The AF Assist beam does not work in any any external flash when attached to an E Mount camera. The compatibility list below is for F43AM but it is same with all Sony flashes and E Mount cameras. Actually the AF Illuminator does not work even with the flagship A99...

http://www.sony-asia.com/support/resources/en_AP/html/Compatibility/DSLR/Flash/sony/F43AM.html

Thanks for the quick reply. Do you know if this is a limitation of the A7 or the flash?

The compatibility issue seems to be with E mount cameras.

http://community.sony.com/t5/Alpha-NEX-Cameras/How-dissapointing-A7-or-A7R-and-External-Flash-HVL-F60M/m-p/293036#M3126

"The AF Illuminator function on the external flash unit is designed for A-mount cameras (SLT and DSLR). It is not compatible with E-mount cameras, even if an A-mount adapter with Phase Detection AF is used.

In this case, using an external light source to help achieve focus is recommended if possible. If you cannot change the lighting conditions try selecting a different Focus."

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drjs wrote:

tn1krr wrote:

drjs wrote:

I got this flash together with the A7. I am having problem getting the IR assist to work. On my Canon, the IR assist just turns on when the scene is too dark. I can't seem to get this one to go even in a completely dark room. I have read the manual but couldn't pin point what I am not setting correctly. Anyone have any suggestions? I am an experienced shooter but this is my first SONY.

The AF Assist beam does not work in any any external flash when attached to an E Mount camera. The compatibility list below is for F43AM but it is same with all Sony flashes and E Mount cameras. Actually the AF Illuminator does not work even with the flagship A99...

http://www.sony-asia.com/support/resources/en_AP/html/Compatibility/DSLR/Flash/sony/F43AM.html

Thanks for the quick reply. Do you know if this is a limitation of the A7 or the flash?

The compatibility issue seems to be with E mount cameras.

http://community.sony.com/t5/Alpha-NEX-Cameras/How-dissapointing-A7-or-A7R-and-External-Flash-HVL-F60M/m-p/293036#M3126

"The AF Illuminator function on the external flash unit is designed for A-mount cameras (SLT and DSLR). It is not compatible with E-mount cameras, even if an A-mount adapter with Phase Detection AF is used.

In this case, using an external light source to help achieve focus is recommended if possible. If you cannot change the lighting conditions try selecting a different Focus."

If one is shooting fast glass like FE 55/1.8 stopped down then turning Live View Setting Effect off makes the camera AF lens wide open. I've tested this in a darkened room ( light meter said -2EV) and when shooting with for example with selected aperture above 2.8 it really helps locking the AF.

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In this case, using an external light source to help achieve focus is recommended if possible. If you cannot change the lighting conditions try selecting a different Focus."

Thanks!  Not sure why this wasn't addressed before the bundle was announced.  At a minimal, it should have some type of notice to perspective users.  This kind leave a bad taste in my mouth.  I love the camera and lenses, but not crazy about this flash.

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Re: HVL-F60M on A7
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drjs wrote:

In this case, using an external light source to help achieve focus is recommended if possible. If you cannot change the lighting conditions try selecting a different Focus."

Thanks! Not sure why this wasn't addressed before the bundle was announced. At a minimal, it should have some type of notice to perspective users. This kind leave a bad taste in my mouth. I love the camera and lenses, but not crazy about this flash.

Ebay the flash, you should make a profit.

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That is a big disappointment; just so happens i was testing the flash for the first time yesterday in total darkness and sure enough could not get the AF assist to do its job; no luck. only the AF-A on camera works. But the camera would never take the shot because it could not find focus in that darkness . The AF-A on the A7 does fire but it is not powerful enough to bounce a beam beyond a certain distance although it is within the flash coverage area. This is totaly unacceptable for Sony to make their most powerful flash partially compatible with the A7 A7R.

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red fuji wrote:

That is a big disappointment; just so happens i was testing the flash for the first time yesterday in total darkness and sure enough could not get the AF assist to do its job; no luck. only the AF-A on camera works. But the camera would never take the shot because it could not find focus in that darkness . The AF-A on the A7 does fire but it is not powerful enough to bounce a beam beyond a certain distance although it is within the flash coverage area. This is totaly unacceptable for Sony to make their most powerful flash partially compatible with the A7 A7R.

so do you know any other big flashes from Canon or Nikon or whatever that will assist mirrorless camera AF (whatever brand is - like Canon flash assisting canon eos-m, etc) ? just curious...

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so do you know any other big flashes from Canon or Nikon or whatever that will assist mirrorless camera AF (whatever brand is - like Canon flash assisting canon eos-m, etc) ? just curious...

As far as I know, Canon/Nikon never offered to sale one of their DSLR flashes as part of their mirror-less bundle.

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drjs wrote:

so do you know any other big flashes from Canon or Nikon or whatever that will assist mirrorless camera AF (whatever brand is - like Canon flash assisting canon eos-m, etc) ? just curious...

As far as I know, Canon/Nikon never offered to sale one of their DSLR flashes as part of their mirror-less bundle.

And what it has to do with AF assist - was there any promise anywhere that flash assists in focusing for mirrorless cameras ?

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No flashes AF assist light works with mirrorless cameras period.
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That is true with all mirrorless cameras. and the flashes.   Across brands.   Olympus, Fuji, they all have the same issue across brands and always have.   Basically their TTL flashes are designed only to work with normal phase autofocus detect method through mirror like on DSLRs.  When using with a DSLR, the autoassist light works because DSLR use Phase Autofocusing.    The auto assist light does not work with any camera using contrast focus method focusing.  100% on that.   I've tried numerous other flashes from other brands and the result is always the same

The only two questions I had unanswered were

1)  PDAF on sensor, will that trigger the AF Assist light on flashes designed for DSLR.  My guess would be either NO, or maybe Yes in Daytime shooting when PDAF focus points actually work.  They turn off in low light as we all know as a limitation of every PDAF on sensor in every mirrorless camera from all manufacturers, and it is back to contrast method so no flash af assist light would work.

2) what about using LA-EA4 with Sony A lenses?  Logic tells me that in this scenario, AF Assist light on flashes such as 60AM or 60M SHOULD WORK, because the  A7/r then starts being like any other A big camera with its normal phase af method.

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Re: No flashes AF assist light works with mirrorless cameras period.
In reply to Absolutic, 7 months ago

can someone confirm that with la-ea4 + sony alpha lenses and fl-60 the camera or the flash emit an AF beam? or if there is any menu option to use the Flash light as an autofocus light... like a built in flash with Sony A57. THanks

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