F8 25mm body cap lens please

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Trollshavethebestcandy
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F8 25mm body cap lens please
9 months ago

Anyone else think that a f8 50mm equivalent body cap lens for under $150 but still half way decent would be pretty sweet? Also I would want a ring instead of a lever that goes closed to open/near to far focus. Another thing.... Filter thread!!!! Some corner fall off is ok as long as it has a sharp center. Thinking an EPM2 with a 50mm OVF would be a fun B&W street shooter.

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In reply to Trollshavethebestcandy, 9 months ago

Anyone else think that a f8 50mm equivalent body cap lens for under $150 but still half way decent would be pretty sweet? Also I would want a ring instead of a lever that goes closed to open/near to far focus. Another thing.... Filter thread!!!! Some corner fall off is ok as long as it has a sharp center. Thinking an EPM2 with a 50mm OVF would be a fun B&W street shooter.

What you want is a 25mm pancake, not a bodycap lens.

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Anyone else think that a f8 50mm equivalent body cap lens for under $150 but still half way decent would be pretty sweet? Also I would want a ring instead of a lever that goes closed to open/near to far focus. Another thing.... Filter thread!!!! Some corner fall off is ok as long as it has a sharp center. Thinking an EPM2 with a 50mm OVF would be a fun B&W street shooter.

What you want is a 25mm pancake, not a bodycap lens.

It can be a pancake under 12mm thick in my imaginings without need of electronic contacts. Decent glass but cheap construction. Built in lens cap actuated on focus ring. A filter thread would make this so much cooler. Add a cheap plastic integral pull out lens hood?

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How about a 17mm f/4 and be there?
In reply to Trollshavethebestcandy, 9 months ago

A cheap but very small, hyperfocused 17mm f/4 lens would be a great street shooter. DOF would go from about 8 feet to infinity.

It would be the equivalent of the old Weegee rule of "f/8 and be there."

Fat chance anyone would make one.

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Re: How about a 17mm f/4 and be there?
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The 15mm BCL works just fine for "f/8 and be there".

Adding bells and whistles to a simple lens just increases the cost, as it approaches a "pancake lens".

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Get a Holga 25mm/f8 off ebay. very small, very cheap, very light.

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The 15mm BCL works just fine for "f/8 and be there".

Adding bells and whistles to a simple lens just increases the cost, as it approaches a "pancake lens".

I have the 15mm BCL, but find it a bit dim for many situations.

The BCL introduced the idea of slow, but small and cheap. It would be nice to see that concept extended, instead of always striving for fast, big and horribly expensive.

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Get a Holga 25mm/f8 off ebay. very small, very cheap, very light.

How big would it be with the adapter?

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Re: How about a 17mm f/4 and be there?
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A cheap but very small, hyperfocused 17mm f/4 lens would be a great street shooter. DOF would go from about 8 feet to infinity.

It would be the equivalent of the old Weegee rule of "f/8 and be there."

Fat chance anyone would make one.

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I really want a 40mm equiv but since there is a 30 equiv I figure a 50 has a better shot of getting produced. There are a few moderate to expensive 50's but how about an inexpensive one? That and a re imagined one where you have a ring and not a fidgety lever not to mention able to take a freaking filter!

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Re: F8 25mm body cap lens please
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Ah . . . no. And here's why: the 20mm f/1.7 Panasonic exists, and although it's not bodycap-small, it IS a very small pancake with stellar IQ. Except for the extra cost (which isn't that much), why would I replace it with a slow fixed-aperture lens with inferior IQ?

IMO Oly made the same mistake with the 15mm bodycap lens . . . I saw no reason to keep it instead of the slightly more expensive but vastly superior 14mm f/2.5 pancake lens. It's not like Oly was unaware that Panasonic was already producing a tiny lens with nearly the same FL.

Now the 9mm bodycap fisheye lens, on the other hand, is a brilliant concept.

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Ah . . . no. And here's why: the 20mm f/1.7 Panasonic exists, and although it's not bodycap-small, it IS a very small pancake with stellar IQ. Except for the extra cost (which isn't that much), why would I replace it with a slow fixed-aperture lens with inferior IQ?

IMO Oly made the same mistake with the 15mm bodycap lens . . . I saw no reason to keep it instead of the slightly more expensive but vastly superior 14mm f/2.5 pancake lens. It's not like Oly was unaware that Panasonic was already producing a tiny lens with nearly the same FL.

Now the 9mm bodycap fisheye lens, on the other hand, is a brilliant concept.

Yes the 9mm is a brilliant concept. Yes there is a 20mm that is great albeit focus issues but still not cheap and one reason I suggested a 50 since there are not many small and cheap options. I like the quick Lo-Fi concept matched with IBIS. I would chose the soon to be panleica 15 over the panny 20.
9, 15 and 25mm body caps would be a sweet cheap trio that would not take up too much space next to your kit or pro zoom. If budget permits you could have the better larger primes of Rokinon 7.5 or 8mm fish, 15 panleica and 25 Oly.

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Jim Salvas wrote:

gnewsch wrote:

Get a Holga 25mm/f8 off ebay. very small, very cheap, very light.

How big would it be with the adapter?

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There are native versions out there, no adapter required.
They're about the size of a pancake lens like the 20mm or 17mm.

See here, for example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Holga-25mm-f-8-Toy-Lens-for-Sony-NEX-7-NEX-3-NEX-5-NEX-5N-NEX-C3-/261021834096?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item3cc61d1b70

I am not affiliated or endorsed with this seller in any way.

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gnewsch wrote:

Get a Holga 25mm/f8 off ebay. very small, very cheap, very light.

Here are some of my Holga 25 shots:

http://markhahnphotography.wordpress.com/2013/03/24/junk-trash-plastic-lens/

http://markhahnphotography.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/solar-culture-gallery-as-close-as-a-truck-stop-gets-to-heaven/

I removed the vignetting mask. Fun little lens.

One word of advice, they just put the distance scale from their 60mm MF lens on the 25 so it doesn't work! Basically everything is around the mountain symbol -- far side of the mountain for infinity, near side of the mountain for hyperfocal distance, etc. Was annoyed with the bad focus until I figured this out.

$15 of pure fun!!!

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tjuster1 wrote:

Ah . . . no. And here's why: the 20mm f/1.7 Panasonic exists, and although it's not bodycap-small, it IS a very small pancake with stellar IQ. Except for the extra cost (which isn't that much), why would I replace it with a slow fixed-aperture lens with inferior IQ?

IMO Oly made the same mistake with the 15mm bodycap lens . . . I saw no reason to keep it instead of the slightly more expensive but vastly superior 14mm f/2.5 pancake lens. It's not like Oly was unaware that Panasonic was already producing a tiny lens with nearly the same FL.

Now the 9mm bodycap fisheye lens, on the other hand, is a brilliant concept.

Ignoring the de-kitted P14's from Korea, the P14 is a $300 lens! The P20 a $400 lens! Saying the cost difference between this and a $50 body cap lens is trivial is not realistic. Yes, I already owned both the 14 and the 17 pancakes, so the O15 didn't have much appeal to me, but a 25 would really fun for me since there is no 25mm pancake lens! Had Oly come out with a 25mm pancake it wouldn't have made sense, but I'd think they could make a 25mm BCL that was actually pretty good!

Yup, I'm in!!!!

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I just use my 24mm Pentax Auto 110 f/2.8 lens with an adapter.

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n3eg wrote:

I just use my 24mm Pentax Auto 110 f/2.8 lens with an adapter.

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It ain't easy being me, but someone's gotta do it.

The problem with the P110 24mm lens on m43 is that the corners are such utter crap and the center so perfectly good... at least that's what bugs me. If I could treat it as a toy lens it might be fun, but it's not a toy lens, it's a really good lens that performs badly on m43 in the corners.

Here's a set I took with mine (look at the corners! mush even at this little size!):

https://markhahnphotography.wordpress.com/2012/07/28/another-road/

PS And this is with the lens "stopped down" to f5.6! The corners are even worse when shot wide open!

For example, look at the gravel in the corners of this shot:

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15mm Body Cap Lens on E-M1 - Art Filter 'Key Line' - no post processing
Camera around neck, touch screen used for shutter = candid camera 'f/8 and be there'

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