D4s still lacks wifi and gps!!!

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golf1982
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D4s still lacks wifi and gps!!!
8 months ago

Still lacks wifi and gps. Basic and features found on years old hundred quid compacts!!!! It concerns me how nikon Just doesn't get it. please can someone tell nikon it is no longer 2005

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I don't understand why you need GPS? We've figured out where we are by maps for many hundreds of years.

Wifi? Consumer models refresh every year, wifi tech progresses with it. The little units that come in the D5300 or accessories for the D3200 & D5200 are anemic at best. Meant to upload 24mp DX photos to your phone or tablet one every 5 seconds. These are too slow for the data that the D4/s needs to put into the webisphere.

Consider also that if the wifi part built in a D4s fizzles, then what? Send it in for repair for a part of the camera unrelated to taking pictures? Sure you can send it in during down time but how many events or gigs have gone by without the ability to send files wirelessly? The external wifi devices make sense for this class of camera (Dprobody). If it dies, you resort to plan B... LAN. You can keep shooting and just get another wifi unit without loss of time without the camera.

If someone is going to have a D4s for a few years it is possible that wifi tech evolves to become faster and smaller independant of the body it's meant to work with. I'd rather upgrade wifi thingamees than the whole cameras. As it is now we upgrade a body to get different resolution and low light performance properties. Imagine the uproar when a D5s comes out with improved internal wifi capability. People are bemoaning the D4s processor increase which is pretty integral to the photographic experience. I.e. It's the 2nd most important part of the camera. Imagine the uproar when a $15 tech boost means a $1000 price increase for a successive model.

Besides. Wifi built in is just something else the NSA can tap into.
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That some events won't let in in with a wifi device and that there are different laws and regulations for wifi and gps in different countries and so Nikon would have to make different versions of the bodies for different countries including some that dont' have the GPS and Wifi due to import restrictions.  Because of  the comparative low volume sales, it may not be profitable for Nikon to have to make different versions like that.

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GPS isn't really a needed feature...so the added cost and additional components to break down is one reason to not include it in a pro camera.  As for wifi...it's a standard that is always changing.  It doesn't make sense to put current wifi into a pro camera that could be used for 10-15 years.  Consumer cameras are disposable and can include disposable technology since its common to replace them every couple years.  And again, its one more component to break down over time.

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This camera is designed basically for the working professional who captures action subjects.  The design has had input from many professionals within the fields it will be used for.  They don't need wifi and gps and they didn't want it.  Its a working mostly still life camera.

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I think cell phones have both of those, if that's really important.

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I'm a pro full-time commercial photographer with commercial clients and government clients that have very strict policies on Wifi and GPS (really, anything with a radio in it) in many of the sites and locations I shoot in.  My cell phone, I can choose to leave in my car, and, although you can disable many of those features, its just easier to convince the client (many of whom are marketing personnel that are already out of their comfort zone by being in a restricted space for the shoot) that they don't have to be concerned because the device isn't capable of it.

Most of these shoots end up being shot tethered by a MacBook via USB for instant review and preview anyways.

Strobes are all photo slaves in these situations as well since the radio thing freaks them out.

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And still lacks an autofocus system on par with the Canon 1D X (or Mark IV for that matter). It also still use two different types of flash cards which is unnecessary and a PITA.

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It's not your girlie camera where you want to send your selfie around the world.  It's designed for the pro on assignment.  If you want to send a picture from a war zone, you can use a point and shoot.

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And still lacks an autofocus system on par with the Canon 1D X (or Mark IV for that matter). It also still use two different types of flash cards which is unnecessary and a PITA.

How do you know? Re: AF. The OP is referring to the D4s. The 2 haven't been compared yet, let alone any extensive use of the D4s.

The 1Dx is the only Canon body to have ever used the same cards in both slots. The 1DIV and 5DIII have CF and SD cards. The rest are single.

At this level of camera... if the AF is hindering you..... (It may not be the camera).

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Still lacks wifi and gps. Basic and features found on years old hundred quid compacts!!!! It concerns me how nikon Just doesn't get it. please can someone tell nikon it is no longer 2005

Plenty of connectivity options exist for top-tier pro cameras. Professional photographers have been sending digital image files by wire and wireless for a number of years now. Nikon has marketed wireless file transmitters for these cameras, at least since the D2-series.

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Rservello wrote:

GPS isn't really a needed feature...so the added cost and additional components to break down is one reason to not include it in a pro camera. As for wifi...it's a standard that is always changing. It doesn't make sense to put current wifi into a pro camera that could be used for 10-15 years. Consumer cameras are disposable and can include disposable technology since its common to replace them every couple years. And again, its one more component to break down over time.

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Not many pros would keep a camera 15 years these days. In film time, perhaps.

Indeed based on DPR posts most users seem to change their camera bodies the instant they can pre-order another 'improved' version.

I think including wifi would have been helpful - it is included in many cameras which pros use (GH3 for example) and shipping it around the world does not seem to cause issues.

As regards the GPS, if they could at least design a unit that communicates via the hotshoe contacts instead of kludging on with a cable, that would be some improvement. It is useful to travel photographers and journalists to have that info.

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And still lacks an autofocus system on par with the Canon 1D X (or Mark IV for that matter). It also still use two different types of flash cards which is unnecessary and a PITA.

Please point us to several, reputable, reviews comparing the 1DX to the D4S AF.  We would also need to know 100% for sure that custom setting A3 had been set to "OFF" in the D4S, since that setting defaulting to "on" has already rendered many AF comparisons void that I have seen so far between various cameras.  I am very curious as to where you get your information.

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larrywilson wrote:

This camera is designed basically for the working professional who captures action subjects. The design has had input from many professionals within the fields it will be used for. They don't need wifi and gps and they didn't want it. Its a working mostly still life camera.

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perhaps nikon should use at a few less focus groups

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golf1982 wrote:

Still lacks wifi and gps. Basic and features found on years old hundred quid compacts!!!! It concerns me how nikon Just doesn't get it. please can someone tell nikon it is no longer 2005

Plenty of connectivity options exist for top-tier pro cameras. Professional photographers have been sending digital image files by wire and wireless for a number of years now. Nikon has marketed wireless file transmitters for these cameras, at least since the D2-series.

a wifi dongle is totally unacceptable in 2014. It should have been unacceptable 5years ago on any Dslr let alone the nikon flagship.

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larrywilson wrote:

This camera is designed basically for the working professional who captures action subjects. The design has had input from many professionals within the fields it will be used for. They don't need wifi and gps and they didn't want it. Its a working mostly still life camera.

Larry

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perhaps nikon should use at a few less focus groups

That quote is appropriate for Nikon's non-pro offerings but I would prefer they listen to their customers MORE often with the Dx and prosumer cameras.

Even for Apple the quote isn't very appropriate for their recent professional products (Final Cut, Aperture, Mac Pro).

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Still lacks wifi and gps. Basic and features found on years old hundred quid compacts!!!! It concerns me how nikon Just doesn't get it. please can someone tell nikon it is no longer 2005

Plenty of connectivity options exist for top-tier pro cameras. Professional photographers have been sending digital image files by wire and wireless for a number of years now. Nikon has marketed wireless file transmitters for these cameras, at least since the D2-series.

a wifi dongle is totally unacceptable in 2014. It should have been unacceptable 5years ago on any Dslr let alone the nikon flagship.

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A dongle or WFT can be left behind, when entering a nation, jurisdiction, or location that does not allow radio equipment, due to laws, regulation, or operational mandate.

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golf1982 wrote:

Rexgig0 wrote:

golf1982 wrote:

Still lacks wifi and gps. Basic and features found on years old hundred quid compacts!!!! It concerns me how nikon Just doesn't get it. please can someone tell nikon it is no longer 2005

Plenty of connectivity options exist for top-tier pro cameras. Professional photographers have been sending digital image files by wire and wireless for a number of years now. Nikon has marketed wireless file transmitters for these cameras, at least since the D2-series.

a wifi dongle is totally unacceptable in 2014. It should have been unacceptable 5years ago on any Dslr let alone the nikon flagship.

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A dongle or WFT can be left behind, when entering a nation, jurisdiction, or location that does not allow radio equipment, due to laws, regulation, or operational mandate.

do you not take a phone?? Or iPad or Computer. even north Korea allows WIFI. This is a years old tech in millions of everyday device except slr cameras. Before video was on all cameras that was not allowed into many sporting events without certain sporting events for still photographers.

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Rexgig0 wrote:

golf1982 wrote:

Rexgig0 wrote:

golf1982 wrote:

Still lacks wifi and gps. Basic and features found on years old hundred quid compacts!!!! It concerns me how nikon Just doesn't get it. please can someone tell nikon it is no longer 2005

Plenty of connectivity options exist for top-tier pro cameras. Professional photographers have been sending digital image files by wire and wireless for a number of years now. Nikon has marketed wireless file transmitters for these cameras, at least since the D2-series.

a wifi dongle is totally unacceptable in 2014. It should have been unacceptable 5years ago on any Dslr let alone the nikon flagship.

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A dongle or WFT can be left behind, when entering a nation, jurisdiction, or location that does not allow radio equipment, due to laws, regulation, or operational mandate.

do you not take a phone?

No, not everywhere. Have you never been to a location that prohibits all forms of mobile communication devices? I work in the criminal justice system, so the first places that come to mind are prisons, jails, and detention areas. Some judges will prohibit such devices in their courtrooms. If I were to be tasked with approaching a suspicious device, that might be explosive, to get some images, I would leave my mobile phones behind, at a safe distance, and leave my portable radio switched to the "off" position. I am not (yet!) prohibited from having photography equipment with radio communication, but it would violate protocol, in most cases, for me to transmit images wirelessly, if these images were captured in the line of duty.

I am more familiar with Canon products; the Canon 6D, which normally has wi-fi, is available without it, and the 600EX-RT Speedlite, which has radio triggering, is also available as the 600EX, sans radio triggering.

I have traveled very little internationally, to date, so have not encountered places where radio equipment is prohibited by law, but have read about such places.

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calson wrote:

And still lacks an autofocus system on par with the Canon 1D X (or Mark IV for that matter). It also still use two different types of flash cards which is unnecessary and a PITA.

Please point us to several, reputable, reviews comparing the 1DX to the D4S AF. We would also need to know 100% for sure that custom setting A3 had been set to "OFF" in the D4S, since that setting defaulting to "on" has already rendered many AF comparisons void that I have seen so far between various cameras. I am very curious as to where you get your information.

He of course has no such information. He is just losing sleep and biting his nails hoping a yet to be released camera he has never seen does not have specs or performance on par with a camera he has never touched but comes from a company he favors.

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