I own an E-M1 and an X-T1. I'll probably sell the E-M1, but it's not a clear choice.

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Miron09
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I prefer to stay with one system for multiple years
In reply to The Photo Ninja, 10 months ago

better knowledge IMHO compensates many technical weaknesses, esp when they seem to be so slight as in this case.

Lenses are important, and I think I´m well served by the MFT offering

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In reply to Lumixdude, 10 months ago

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That makes absolutely no sense what so ever... You buy a DSLR or CSC for better image quality then limit yourself to shooting JPEGs when there is no real world difference between these two cameras when you're shooting in RAW.

You may as well buy a compact and shoot in ISO actually because you're never going to get the results you paid for.

JPG is not the limit, but how you use camera and setup jpg engine. There is barely any difference if you expose correctly with right WB. Even paid work can be done by jpg's only, especially if you're in total control of light.

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I do shoot raw myself, simply because it's mostly landscapes and i like to process final photo to fit my image. At least when i can actually go out :/

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In reply to Oleg Vinokurov, 10 months ago

I'm just used to the crappy JPEG engines most cameras I've owned have had and how much better RAW can be.

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In reply to Oleg Vinokurov, 10 months ago

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Somehow feels like noise reduction is too strong here, looks like plastic skin. Noise would be more pleasant than plastic skin look.

That's the usual complaint against the Fujifilm images - very strong noise reduction.

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The counter claim generally is "people don't understand how X-Trans is supposed to work."

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Jim Salvas wrote:

Tizzio wrote:

Jim Salvas wrote:

Photokina 2014 opens on September 21 and with it will come cameras which will beat the X-T1 on all points. Enjoy your seven months of camera bliss.

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No one ask you to chip in your comments like that Jim.... No matter what, enjoy whatever camera bliss you have!

You're right, of course.

On the other hand, the OP has had a bit of drama going on for days on both this forum and the Fuji X forum when it was obvious he was going to buy this camera and ditch his E-M1 after less than a half year of use.

However, I overreacted. I apologize. Enjoy the camera. Take some photos.

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No problem Jim, may be I've over reacted as well, cause I haven't followed his threads all along.

Happy shooting and have fun.... Cheers

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In reply to The Photo Ninja, 10 months ago

Photo Ninja, thanks for sharing your thoughts.

You are fortunate to have the opportunity to own both cameras and choose the one you like best, not something many of the rest of us can afford to do.

Only you can determine which balance of features, ergonomics, and IQ are suitable for your needs, and it sounds like you've found that right blend in the X-T1.  Enjoy!

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The counter claim generally is "people don't understand how X-Trans is supposed to work."

This counter-claim is irrelevant as well as untenable. First, if the IQ of X-trans is poor due to excessive NR, it does not help if you understand how X-trans is supposed to work. Second, some of us understand very well how X-trans is supposed to work but find that it does not work as well as it is supposed to.

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Yes, well... If I wanted a HDR composite image I'd do it myself... which is what I pretty much think of X-Trans.

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I shoot raw only - no exception. However, there is nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with shooting jpeg regardless of the camera you use. All advantages of a good camera remain the same except some choose convenience (jpeg) over the extra bit of IQ (raw). Cannot see why a jpeg person should not use/enjoy the same camera like a quality extremist?

I was thinking the same way for a while and was a staunch JPG shooter. As you I thought that converting RAW ia a big time consuming hustle. Also I want to make a point that OOC JPGs never satisfied me, and I had to spend time editing and improving my JPGs working with contrasts, levels, sharpness etc.

When first time I tried RAW, I was very anxious that I'll spend my life doing one file. Reality is: RAW saves me lots of time in compare with editing JPG. RAW not only improves IQ, RAW also is a time saver, and for situations when shot went bad, RAW is the straw that saves the shot.

I'm sure that curiosity not only kills some cats,  but also eventually ask you to shoot RAW.

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In reply to Miron09, 10 months ago

Miron09 wrote:

better knowledge IMHO compensates many technical weaknesses, esp when they seem to be so slight as in this case.

Lenses are important, and I think I´m well served by the MFT offering

Indeed, I am somewhat surprised by the number of photographers who apparently have the attention span of a cat when it comes to equipment (nothing against cats or photographers, I have two). But bravo, I guess. More Fuji users can only serve to help spur Olympus to up their game in the future. 

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In reply to The Photo Ninja, 10 months ago

Except the Fuji 14 and 27, the lenses in this system are huge.

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The Photo Ninja wrote:

I blogged about it here: http://www.bershatsky.com/blog/2014/2/x-t1

Bottom line?

E-M1: Faster focusing and more responsive

X-T1: Nicer optics and images

I like the looks of the X-T1 images so much, that I'll deal with the slower speed and handling.

Another thing that occurs to me, is that all of the pictures were shot in very low light at an average of ISO 6400. Perhaps that is why my focusing experience was less than optimal.

It doesn't matter really. Both are excellent cameras with the potential to make top notch photos. Pick whichever one you like most, accept its advantages and its warts, and sell the other if you don't want to afford keeping and using both. Exploit the advantages—work around the warts.

I have a complete Sony E-M1 kit with Olympus and Panasonic-Leica lenses that works beautifully. And I have a complete Sony A7 kit with Leica R and Nikkor SLR lenses that works beautifully. For me, the format differences are enough to enjoy keeping and using both.

I've had little interest in the Fuji X series cameras because of the sensor and the cameras' ergonomics. They just don't work in my hands as nicely as the E-M1 does. The A7 is a little clunky compared to the E-M1 too, but now that I have it configured for my needs it works very nicely. So far, I've not been able to configure a Fuji X camera such that I really liked using it, and I still don't see much advantage to the sensor when it comes to processing raw files.

But as I said, it doesn't matter really. Just pick what youlike and work with it. That's the important thing.

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In reply to Godfrey, 10 months ago

To the OP:  Buy a PEN or Panasonic GX-7 or GM-1 body to use with your m43 lens(es), rather than dump the EM-1, which you could not have owned for very long at all.  Except for the one currently cheap pancake, the limited line of Fuji lenses are either out of control expensive and/or stick out from the bodies just as much as any APS-C DSLR.

As many other posters have said, we cannot weigh the pros and cons for you.  You are going to do what you want to do.

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I'm just amazed that we've come to a point with the technology where someone can look at the image output from an E-M1 and find it deficient in some way.

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It's more the 17mm f/1.8 lens I don't like.
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The panasonic 25mm f/1.4 is great, but not my favorite focal length.

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Godfrey wrote:

The Photo Ninja wrote:

I blogged about it here: http://www.bershatsky.com/blog/2014/2/x-t1

Bottom line?

E-M1: Faster focusing and more responsive

X-T1: Nicer optics and images

I like the looks of the X-T1 images so much, that I'll deal with the slower speed and handling.

Another thing that occurs to me, is that all of the pictures were shot in very low light at an average of ISO 6400. Perhaps that is why my focusing experience was less than optimal.

It doesn't matter really. Both are excellent cameras with the potential to make top notch photos. Pick whichever one you like most, accept its advantages and its warts, and sell the other if you don't want to afford keeping and using both. Exploit the advantages—work around the warts.

I have a complete Sony E-M1 kit with Olympus and Panasonic-Leica lenses that works beautifully. And I have a complete Sony A7 kit with Leica R and Nikkor SLR lenses that works beautifully. For me, the format differences are enough to enjoy keeping and using both.

I've had little interest in the Fuji X series cameras because of the sensor and the cameras' ergonomics. They just don't work in my hands as nicely as the E-M1 does. The A7 is a little clunky compared to the E-M1 too, but now that I have it configured for my needs it works very nicely. So far, I've not been able to configure a Fuji X camera such that I really liked using it, and I still don't see much advantage to the sensor when it comes to processing raw files.

But as I said, it doesn't matter really. Just pick what youlike and work with it. That's the important thing.

Very well said!

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Yes, well... If I wanted a HDR composite image I'd do it myself... which is what I pretty much think of X-Trans.

What does HDR composite images have to do with this? You have the poor quality due to the demosaicing problems (excessive NR) of X-trans sensors regardless of whether it is single shots or stacked images we are talking about.

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Pixel binning and whatever else it's basically the equivalent of what happens when you stack images to produce a better result, except you'd probably get a better result with image stacking... the denoising, that is another issue on itself.... which is excessive and you can't really get around it either which leads to "plastic skin" and "water colours."

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Lumixdude wrote:

Pixel binning and whatever else it's basically the equivalent of what happens when you stack images to produce a better result,

No, they are not equivalent. Pixel binning trades resolution for reduced noise. Stacking does not.

except you'd probably get a better result with image stacking...

That's for sure.

the denoising, that is another issue on itself....

As already pointed out, pixel binning is a form of "denoising" (applying NR to a shot).

which is excessive and you can't really get around it either which leads to "plastic skin" and "water colours."

Yes, that's the problem with X-trans.

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