Why is D700 $500 More than D800?

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Fotoav8r
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Why is D700 $500 More than D800?
6 months ago

I just chose and purchased a refurbished copy of the D700 mostly because I didn't want to deal with the large RAW file sizes.  My primary use is in my nightclub where I need to show my sexy dancers, and the ambiance of the club.  I have to use flash, and creative lighting techniques to achieve it, and I've been debating whether the D700 was the best choice.  I have another 25 days to return it, but I would love to hear other takes on it.  I am willing to deal with the huge file sizes if I'm likely to get better results.  After all, the D700 is 4 years older than the D800.

Here are a few shots to demonstrate my challenges.  The last 3 were shot with my partner's point and shoot.

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In reply to Fotoav8r, 6 months ago

I think the size of you prints would tilt in the 800's favor.

do you take shots of the girls dancing? If so the 700 would tilt the in favor

The 800 has better resolution/noise control

Try both (from a retailer with a good return policy)

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In reply to ragspix, 6 months ago

I think the size of you prints would tilt in the 800's favor.

do you take shots of the girls dancing? If so the 700 would tilt the in favor

The 800 has better resolution/noise control

Try both (from a retailer with a good return policy)

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I don't plan on printing anything important which is why the MP mean little to me.

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Df?

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whoosh1 wrote:

Df?

I agree. The Df is a suitable d700 upgrade.  Low light capabilities are stellar!

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Rservello wrote:

whoosh1 wrote:

Df?

I agree. The Df is a suitable d700 upgrade. Low light capabilities are stellar!

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And it's a favorite of the ladies....:)

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In reply to Fotoav8r, 6 months ago

A 12mpix camera is enough, but IMO why not look at the D610?  The sensor is highly rated, and shooting in a bar you are not needing a D4.  The D800 is overkill unless you do a lot of crops, or want to make billboards.

If it were me I would spend the money on strobes and do some creative lighting.  I have no idea exactly what you are looking for but if your samples are representative of what you want then strobes are exactly what you need.   Bars have notoriously bad light so using strobes is a very good way to light.

Cameras are fun, but light is everything in photography.

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In reply to Rservello, 6 months ago

There are quite a few reviews and testimonials now that show that the D700 is no longer the low light king.  The advantages of the D700 is the large buffer size for continuous shooting and smaller RAW files.

I am still using my D700 but if it were to break tomorrow, I would choose the D800 as its successor and not another D700… especially if it cost more than a D800.

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I have already invested quite a bit in speedlights, and I don't like the AF of the 610, but you're right, lighting is everything for my situations.

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Thanks. yes, I'm leaning that way

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scokill wrote:

Rservello wrote:

whoosh1 wrote:

Df?

I agree. The Df is a suitable d700 upgrade. Low light capabilities are stellar!

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And it's a favorite of the ladies....:)

especially if you put a honking big lens on it, like the 58/1.4. take my word for it, are they ever impressed!

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In reply to Fotoav8r, 6 months ago

You may not need the pixel size, but you definitely need the dynamic range and noise control both of which you will find in the D800.  I do a light of night photography and the D800 is excellent.  I find it focuses fine with limited light as long as you have good technique and focus settings.   btw - you might want to clean your lenses and use a lens with a wider aperture.

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In reply to Fotoav8r, 6 months ago

I'd been meaning to reply to your lighting thread ... meanwhile the D700 is a superb choice up to about 3200 ISO (based on personal use and use of a friend of mine who also owns a D800 and leans towards the D700 for his low-light work). That being said, when I was looking to ad a second body last year, I rented a D600, contemplated the D800 and bought a used D3S. It's really useful (again in my use) up to @ 6400 ISO. Recently I replaced the D700 with a Df (I'd have bought a D4 last year had it been less costly and more available). Really nice 6400 ISO, surprisingly good 12800 ISO and usable above that.

Based on what you're trying to do (well-exposed dancers while showing the ambiance of the club) I'd be more concerned with fast wides, ie the 24 1.4 or 28 1.8. Those, however, I have no experience with.

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are you saying that you bought a refurbished D700 for $500 more than a D800 would cost?

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In reply to Fotoav8r, 6 months ago

So, where is this "club"? 

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You've got such a clearly defined use here the choice is rather easy...

No Prints - Points you toward a camera with reasonable resolution (D700/D3/D3s/D4) and excludes the D600, D610, and D800 which would be resolution and workflow overkill.

Low Light - Points you towards a camera that can focus well with fast lenses (D700/D3/D3s/D4/Df) and specifically excludes the D800. The D700/D3/D3s also retain better color purity at high ISO than either the D800 or D600/D610.

Shooting People - Points you toward a camera with a 51 point AF system for better ability to focus on faces with off center compositions (D700/D3/D3s/D4/D800) and excludes the D600/D610/Df. The D700/D3/D3s also retain better color purity for faces at high ISO versus the D800 and D610.

So in summary, between the remaining candidates (D700/D3/D3s/D4) the D700 is the best value for a camera with the image quality and AF system required. Use the savings to buy faster lenses and a radio triggered CLS flash system with gel filters to give you the mood you want to reflect in nightclub shots and you'll be set.

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fPrime wrote:

You've got such a clearly defined use here the choice is rather easy...

No Prints - Points you toward a camera with reasonable resolution (D700/D3/D3s/D4) and excludes the D600, D610, and D800 which would be resolution and workflow overkill.

Low Light - Points you towards a camera that can focus well with fast lenses (D700/D3/D3s/D4/Df) and specifically excludes the D800. The D700/D3/D3s also retain better color purity at high ISO than either the D800 or D600/D610.

Shooting People - Points you toward a camera with a 51 point AF system for better ability to focus on faces with off center compositions (D700/D3/D3s/D4/D800) and excludes the D600/D610/Df. The D700/D3/D3s also retain better color purity for faces at high ISO versus the D800 and D610.

So in summary, between the remaining candidates (D700/D3/D3s/D4) the D700 is the best value for a camera with the image quality and AF system required. Use the savings to buy faster lenses and a radio triggered CLS flash system with gel filters to give you the mood you want to reflect in nightclub shots and you'll be set.

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I thought the D800 would have at least as good of an AF as the D700 in both low-light conditions and with fast lenses...no?

The D600 is not on par with the D700 but the D800?

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ranalli wrote:

fPrime wrote:

You've got such a clearly defined use here the choice is rather easy...

No Prints - Points you toward a camera with reasonable resolution (D700/D3/D3s/D4) and excludes the D600, D610, and D800 which would be resolution and workflow overkill.

Low Light - Points you towards a camera that can focus well with fast lenses (D700/D3/D3s/D4/Df) and specifically excludes the D800. The D700/D3/D3s also retain better color purity at high ISO than either the D800 or D600/D610.

Shooting People - Points you toward a camera with a 51 point AF system for better ability to focus on faces with off center compositions (D700/D3/D3s/D4/D800) and excludes the D600/D610/Df. The D700/D3/D3s also retain better color purity for faces at high ISO versus the D800 and D610.

So in summary, between the remaining candidates (D700/D3/D3s/D4) the D700 is the best value for a camera with the image quality and AF system required. Use the savings to buy faster lenses and a radio triggered CLS flash system with gel filters to give you the mood you want to reflect in nightclub shots and you'll be set.

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I thought the D800 would have at least as good of an AF as the D700 in both low-light conditions and with fast lenses...no?

We all would have thought so. Unfortunately when it comes to ultra-fast lenses and low light the D800 is actually worse than the D700 it replaced.  Read about it more on this recent thread:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52855306

The D600 is not on par with the D700 but the D800?

Same result but for a different reason.  In the case of the D600/D610, although it seems to be fine with focus, it uses the second rate, 39-point PDAF module.  That makes its focusing system inferior to the 51-point PDAF module in the D700.

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In reply to stratplaya, 6 months ago

stratplaya wrote:

So, where is this "club"?

SP

Yeah where is this club?Ill try my x100s in thin kind of lighting..

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