why give up OVF with MirrorLess camera like Nex

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My gears

Nex F3 with these 4 lens - sel1855, sel16mm28, sel50mm18, sel55210

CanonT3i - with 55-250mm, tamron 17-55mm F28

I do use and Love my Nex F3, but ONLY thing I miss in Nex is the OVF.

I even tried Nex6 with EVF, but wasnt happy with EVF, as it is electronic and cant be Optical view finder

so I use T3i when I miss OVF

The Canon I use to own is the sole reason why I will never buy another camera with an optical viewfinder. I had a T2i and the metering system sucked!. In any metering mode it was still to reliant on the AF point. Changing to Center weighted only offered a minor improvement. My Nikon D40 was almost perfect. For my tastes, I just set the EV at -0.3 and left it alone. Oh the oher thing than ticked me off was that the meter locked when you half pressed the shutter release button. My lowly D40 did not, I could focus, recompose and the meter would reevaulate. Needless to say it would sometimes take me 2 or 3 shots, (ore more) to sometimes get the shot right.

When I got my NEX7, the EVF changed my whole world. First the metering system was as good as my D40 or any Nikon I've used (which is many) and if I ever felt like I wanted to adjust Exposure Compensation, I could do it while looking through the viewfinder, see the change, take the photo and it was always what I wanted when I looked at them later on my computer.

Since purchasing my NEX 7 (and now my A65), I like that I get to see a live histogram, see WB, color parameter changes, etc, etc, etc. For me, and what I do, I like the EVFs better.

I want to make sure am I the only one or others feel way using Mirror less?

Lot of folks seem to love Nex6, 7, A7, A7R and dont miss the OVF?

I will never use one again. Ever. Thanks Canon.

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[In fairness to Canon, the 7D I tried does have a much better Meter inside it. But I'll still stick with my EVFs.]

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Nothing wrong with Canon's metering system. Not even in my old XSi. You just need to learn to work with it.

I taught Photography classes for 8 years. I know better than most how the metering system should work. It should not work like my old Rebel requiring as much a +/-1EV to correctly expose a picture. Working at that camera store I got to test out almost everything that came through it. (The T2i was one I didn't get to test, I mistakenly bought it on Reputation and Specs, oops.) I even did side by side comparisons against other brands and I consistently got the worst results from my T2i. When I did my test with the 7D, the 7D worked perfectly. Either I got a camera with a bad meter in it, or the system that the camera employs is too heavily linked with the AF point. Evaluative is supposed to be an evaluative meter, mine acted like the partial spot meter.  I found that using the Center Weighted meter or AE Lock (on neutral tones) resulted in better exposed images then when using Canon's Evaluative Meter.  Interestingly enough, if I shot in Live View the meter behaved completely different then when shooting through the OVF, it would actually act like and evaluative meter.  I know Canon can get it right, they just didn't in the T2i.

And you can decouple the exposure lock and your shutter button, FYI. There are a ton of custom functions in Canon cameras to help you set it up how you would like!

I played with Custom menu #9 but to my recollection there wasn't much improvement.  Doesn't matter now, though, I shoot Sony and I don't have metering issues anymore.

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NomadMark wrote:

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My gears

Nex F3 with these 4 lens - sel1855, sel16mm28, sel50mm18, sel55210

CanonT3i - with 55-250mm, tamron 17-55mm F28

I do use and Love my Nex F3, but ONLY thing I miss in Nex is the OVF.

I even tried Nex6 with EVF, but wasnt happy with EVF, as it is electronic and cant be Optical view finder

so I use T3i when I miss OVF

The Canon I use to own is the sole reason why I will never buy another camera with an optical viewfinder. I had a T2i and the metering system sucked!. In any metering mode it was still to reliant on the AF point. Changing to Center weighted only offered a minor improvement. My Nikon D40 was almost perfect. For my tastes, I just set the EV at -0.3 and left it alone. Oh the oher thing than ticked me off was that the meter locked when you half pressed the shutter release button. My lowly D40 did not, I could focus, recompose and the meter would reevaulate. Needless to say it would sometimes take me 2 or 3 shots, (ore more) to sometimes get the shot right.

When I got my NEX7, the EVF changed my whole world. First the metering system was as good as my D40 or any Nikon I've used (which is many) and if I ever felt like I wanted to adjust Exposure Compensation, I could do it while looking through the viewfinder, see the change, take the photo and it was always what I wanted when I looked at them later on my computer.

Since purchasing my NEX 7 (and now my A65), I like that I get to see a live histogram, see WB, color parameter changes, etc, etc, etc. For me, and what I do, I like the EVFs better.

I want to make sure am I the only one or others feel way using Mirror less?

Lot of folks seem to love Nex6, 7, A7, A7R and dont miss the OVF?

I will never use one again. Ever. Thanks Canon.

.

[In fairness to Canon, the 7D I tried does have a much better Meter inside it. But I'll still stick with my EVFs.]

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Nothing wrong with Canon's metering system. Not even in my old XSi. You just need to learn to work with it.

I taught Photography classes for 8 years. I know better than most how the metering system should work. It should not work like my old Rebel requiring as much a +/-1EV to correctly expose a picture. Working at that camera store I got to test out almost everything that came through it. (The T2i was one I didn't get to test, I mistakenly bought it on Reputation and Specs, oops.) I even did side by side comparisons against other brands and I consistently got the worst results from my T2i. When I did my test with the 7D, the 7D worked perfectly. Either I got a camera with a bad meter in it, or the system that the camera employs is too heavily linked with the AF point. Evaluative is supposed to be an evaluative meter, mine acted like the partial spot meter.  I found that using the Center Weighted meter or AE Lock (on neutral tones) resulted in better exposed images then when using Canon's Evaluative Meter.  Interestingly enough, if I shot in Live View the meter behaved completely different then when shooting through the OVF, it would actually act like and evaluative meter.  I know Canon can get it right, they just didn't in the T2i.

And you can decouple the exposure lock and your shutter button, FYI. There are a ton of custom functions in Canon cameras to help you set it up how you would like!

I played with Custom menu #9 but to my recollection there wasn't much improvement.  Doesn't matter now, though, I shoot Sony and I don't have metering issues anymore.

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That's because the LV meters off the sensor, not the dedicated meter which recieves no light when in LV.

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Nobody at the beginning of digital thought it was good enough to replace film, not even close.

Maybe time will prove me wrong. My gut tells me that EVF versus OVF will always be a compromise, but it could very well be that in 10 years, OVFs will seem quaint and antiquated

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NomadMark wrote:

NowHearThis wrote:

clearzoom wrote:

My gears

Nex F3 with these 4 lens - sel1855, sel16mm28, sel50mm18, sel55210

CanonT3i - with 55-250mm, tamron 17-55mm F28

I do use and Love my Nex F3, but ONLY thing I miss in Nex is the OVF.

I even tried Nex6 with EVF, but wasnt happy with EVF, as it is electronic and cant be Optical view finder

so I use T3i when I miss OVF

The Canon I use to own is the sole reason why I will never buy another camera with an optical viewfinder. I had a T2i and the metering system sucked!. In any metering mode it was still to reliant on the AF point. Changing to Center weighted only offered a minor improvement. My Nikon D40 was almost perfect. For my tastes, I just set the EV at -0.3 and left it alone. Oh the oher thing than ticked me off was that the meter locked when you half pressed the shutter release button. My lowly D40 did not, I could focus, recompose and the meter would reevaulate. Needless to say it would sometimes take me 2 or 3 shots, (ore more) to sometimes get the shot right.

When I got my NEX7, the EVF changed my whole world. First the metering system was as good as my D40 or any Nikon I've used (which is many) and if I ever felt like I wanted to adjust Exposure Compensation, I could do it while looking through the viewfinder, see the change, take the photo and it was always what I wanted when I looked at them later on my computer.

Since purchasing my NEX 7 (and now my A65), I like that I get to see a live histogram, see WB, color parameter changes, etc, etc, etc. For me, and what I do, I like the EVFs better.

I want to make sure am I the only one or others feel way using Mirror less?

Lot of folks seem to love Nex6, 7, A7, A7R and dont miss the OVF?

I will never use one again. Ever. Thanks Canon.

.

[In fairness to Canon, the 7D I tried does have a much better Meter inside it. But I'll still stick with my EVFs.]

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Nothing wrong with Canon's metering system. Not even in my old XSi. You just need to learn to work with it.

I taught Photography classes for 8 years. I know better than most how the metering system should work. It should not work like my old Rebel requiring as much a +/-1EV to correctly expose a picture. Working at that camera store I got to test out almost everything that came through it. (The T2i was one I didn't get to test, I mistakenly bought it on Reputation and Specs, oops.) I even did side by side comparisons against other brands and I consistently got the worst results from my T2i. When I did my test with the 7D, the 7D worked perfectly. Either I got a camera with a bad meter in it, or the system that the camera employs is too heavily linked with the AF point. Evaluative is supposed to be an evaluative meter, mine acted like the partial spot meter. I found that using the Center Weighted meter or AE Lock (on neutral tones) resulted in better exposed images then when using Canon's Evaluative Meter. Interestingly enough, if I shot in Live View the meter behaved completely different then when shooting through the OVF, it would actually act like and evaluative meter. I know Canon can get it right, they just didn't in the T2i.

And you can decouple the exposure lock and your shutter button, FYI. There are a ton of custom functions in Canon cameras to help you set it up how you would like!

I played with Custom menu #9 but to my recollection there wasn't much improvement. Doesn't matter now, though, I shoot Sony and I don't have metering issues anymore.

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That's because the LV meters off the sensor, not the dedicated meter which recieves no light when in LV.

You're missing the point.  Let me explain again. For any given scene, If I shoot a Nikon in Live View or through the OVF, using its' Matrix Meter, I get identical exposures.  if I shoot A 7D in Live  View, then through its' OVF, using the Evaluative Meter, again, I get pretty much the exact same exposure.  Same scene, but this time shoot with my old T2i, and I would different results.

These are the types of tests I did.

I don't care if the process for metering is different, the results of the T2i should have been much closer to the 7D or any of the Nikons I tried - but it wasn't.  I was way off, which, as I explained before, meant I couldn't rely on the OVF because exposure was going to be all over the place, which it was.

It took a while, but I finally got rid of the T2i and got a NEX 7 and what a night and day difference that was, I could look through the EVF and all my shots came out great, AND I knew they were properly exposed because i could see it BEFORE taking the shot.

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I don't miss the OVF at all!

First of all, the OVF is just a prism over a ground glass screen. You talk like it was a purely optical system - it's not.

The EVF shows you precisely what the sensor saw without your eye ever leaving the finder. While you are chimping at the LCD and missing shots because you can't see it very well in sunlight, those of us with EVFs KNOW what we got - because we see it.

And not just in bright sunlight. The light amplification effect of Sony EVFs is so great it gives you cat-like vision. There are times when I look at the selected shutter speed in the EVF -and see it's nearly a full second - WOW - you couldn't even see the scene in an OVF.

And as someone else noted, you can't shoot video with an OVF. I have a loupe hood to convert my D7000's LCD into a crude EVF for eye-level shooting - but it can't hold a candle to my NEX-6 or A7 EVF.

I don't understand your lament for a OVF. Nikon makes cameras with OVFs. So does Canon. Buy one of them. You want a mirrorless camera but with a mirror?

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NowHearThis wrote:

abortabort wrote:

NomadMark wrote:

NowHearThis wrote:

clearzoom wrote:

My gears

Nex F3 with these 4 lens - sel1855, sel16mm28, sel50mm18, sel55210

CanonT3i - with 55-250mm, tamron 17-55mm F28

I do use and Love my Nex F3, but ONLY thing I miss in Nex is the OVF.

I even tried Nex6 with EVF, but wasnt happy with EVF, as it is electronic and cant be Optical view finder

so I use T3i when I miss OVF

The Canon I use to own is the sole reason why I will never buy another camera with an optical viewfinder. I had a T2i and the metering system sucked!. In any metering mode it was still to reliant on the AF point. Changing to Center weighted only offered a minor improvement. My Nikon D40 was almost perfect. For my tastes, I just set the EV at -0.3 and left it alone. Oh the oher thing than ticked me off was that the meter locked when you half pressed the shutter release button. My lowly D40 did not, I could focus, recompose and the meter would reevaulate. Needless to say it would sometimes take me 2 or 3 shots, (ore more) to sometimes get the shot right.

When I got my NEX7, the EVF changed my whole world. First the metering system was as good as my D40 or any Nikon I've used (which is many) and if I ever felt like I wanted to adjust Exposure Compensation, I could do it while looking through the viewfinder, see the change, take the photo and it was always what I wanted when I looked at them later on my computer.

Since purchasing my NEX 7 (and now my A65), I like that I get to see a live histogram, see WB, color parameter changes, etc, etc, etc. For me, and what I do, I like the EVFs better.

I want to make sure am I the only one or others feel way using Mirror less?

Lot of folks seem to love Nex6, 7, A7, A7R and dont miss the OVF?

I will never use one again. Ever. Thanks Canon.

.

[In fairness to Canon, the 7D I tried does have a much better Meter inside it. But I'll still stick with my EVFs.]

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Nothing wrong with Canon's metering system. Not even in my old XSi. You just need to learn to work with it.

I taught Photography classes for 8 years. I know better than most how the metering system should work. It should not work like my old Rebel requiring as much a +/-1EV to correctly expose a picture. Working at that camera store I got to test out almost everything that came through it. (The T2i was one I didn't get to test, I mistakenly bought it on Reputation and Specs, oops.) I even did side by side comparisons against other brands and I consistently got the worst results from my T2i. When I did my test with the 7D, the 7D worked perfectly. Either I got a camera with a bad meter in it, or the system that the camera employs is too heavily linked with the AF point. Evaluative is supposed to be an evaluative meter, mine acted like the partial spot meter. I found that using the Center Weighted meter or AE Lock (on neutral tones) resulted in better exposed images then when using Canon's Evaluative Meter. Interestingly enough, if I shot in Live View the meter behaved completely different then when shooting through the OVF, it would actually act like and evaluative meter. I know Canon can get it right, they just didn't in the T2i.

And you can decouple the exposure lock and your shutter button, FYI. There are a ton of custom functions in Canon cameras to help you set it up how you would like!

I played with Custom menu #9 but to my recollection there wasn't much improvement. Doesn't matter now, though, I shoot Sony and I don't have metering issues anymore.

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That's because the LV meters off the sensor, not the dedicated meter which recieves no light when in LV.

You're missing the point. Let me explain again. For any given scene, If I shoot a Nikon in Live View or through the OVF, using its' Matrix Meter, I get identical exposures. if I shoot A 7D in Live View, then through its' OVF, using the Evaluative Meter, again, I get pretty much the exact same exposure. Same scene, but this time shoot with my old T2i, and I would different results.

These are the types of tests I did.

I don't care if the process for metering is different, the results of the T2i should have been much closer to the 7D or any of the Nikons I tried - but it wasn't. I was way off, which, as I explained before, meant I couldn't rely on the OVF because exposure was going to be all over the place, which it was.

It took a while, but I finally got rid of the T2i and got a NEX 7 and what a night and day difference that was, I could look through the EVF and all my shots came out great, AND I knew they were properly exposed because i could see it BEFORE taking the shot.

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I honestly don't care nor doubt your conclusions. You said "interestingly enough when using LV the meter behaved completely different" I was just explaining that that is because they ARE completely different meteoric systems. I also don't really care about what you can and cannot do with your NEX-7's EVF... I actually think you have mistaken me for someone else? Also don't doubt that the T2 or whatever camera you are talking about had crape metering, it isn't uncommon for Canon to skimp on stuff like that. I just thought you would like to know why they may have been different between those two modes of operation because you didn't seem too clear on why that was the case.

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Personally, I will not buy a camera without an OVF. I'm friend with the owner of a local camera store, so I get to handle just about everything they have on display, and no EVF so far has convinced me to give up the OVF. The EVF has its advantages in very low light (although the OVF in a Canon 5DIII can go a long way, I've shot at full aperture, 1/10thsec at ei25600, with a clear view of the scene in the OVF). However, in daylight, I simply can't get used to the EVF.

i got an X pro 1 specifically for its OVF and ability to switch from OVF to EVF, thus getting the best of both worlds. But if Fuji were to give up their hybrid viewfinder in the future, that would be a show stopper for me.

these choices and preferences are certainly subjective to some extent, but isn't the whole photographic experience subjective in essence ?

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I don't miss the OVF at all!

First of all, the OVF is just a prism over a ground glass screen. You talk like it was a purely optical system - it's not.

The EVF shows you precisely what the sensor saw without your eye ever leaving the finder. While you are chimping at the LCD and missing shots because you can't see it very well in sunlight, those of us with EVFs KNOW what we got - because we see it.

And not just in bright sunlight. The light amplification effect of Sony EVFs is so great it gives you cat-like vision. There are times when I look at the selected shutter speed in the EVF -and see it's nearly a full second - WOW - you couldn't even see the scene in an OVF.

And as someone else noted, you can't shoot video with an OVF. I have a loupe hood to convert my D7000's LCD into a crude EVF for eye-level shooting - but it can't hold a candle to my NEX-6 or A7 EVF.

I don't understand your lament for a OVF. Nikon makes cameras with OVFs. So does Canon. Buy one of them. You want a mirrorless camera but with a mirror?

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I haven't seen anyone mention my favorite reason that EVF>OVF -- focus magnification.  I briefly used a friend's Canon and was reminded that I like OVF just fine until I wanted to focus better on something then... wait, no magnification!  I'm so used to DMF mode, now.  It's a valuable tool.  And focus peaking.

I suppose there are different kinds of focusing screens for DSLRs, but then, only more expensive cameras allow users to change them.  Then FF > APS-C.  It's just not ideal.

About rangefinder-style OVFs, they were still in use after SLRs, but the rangefinder-style camera became more simplified (going to "scale focus" and then autofocus), and the small non-TTL viewfinder even was used in many P&S digital cameras.  I wouldn't mind a Fuji-style hybrid VF.

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I honestly don't care nor doubt your conclusions.

It's nice to see that the spirit of fair and rational debate is alive.

You said "interestingly enough when using LV the meter behaved completely different" I was just explaining that that is because they ARE completely different meteoric systems.

Presume you mean metering systems. But so what - why do you think an end user should care? The point of evaluative metering was to use more data points and a smarter algorithm to better approximate what the exposure should be if you could see data points on the captured frame.

In LV and MILCs that's no longer hypothetical, and other the OP is saying other OVF cameras have more accurate evaluative anyway (using LV as a benchmark). So it's valid to compare them and valid to consider gross errors as engineering deficits.

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I haven't seen anyone mention my favorite reason that EVF>OVF -- focus magnification. I briefly used a friend's Canon and was reminded that I like OVF just fine until I wanted to focus better on something then... wait, no magnification! I'm so used to DMF mode, now. It's a valuable tool. And focus peaking.

I couldn't do without that now either, but there's a lot more mileage than that. Low-light for example, or shooting modes which allow you to superimpose the current view over a previous capture (recreate a pose or if you can move it, align up for a pano).

We are missing something though - looking through the EVF I often wish for a quicker way to move the view are and zoom area more seamlessly/continuously, or be able to see a small view of the full capture superimposed on top.

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abortabort wrote:

I honestly don't care nor doubt your conclusions.

It's nice to see that the spirit of fair and rational debate is alive.

You said "interestingly enough when using LV the meter behaved completely different" I was just explaining that that is because they ARE completely different meteoric systems.

Presume you mean metering systems. But so what - why do you think an end user should care? The point of evaluative metering was to use more data points and a smarter algorithm to better approximate what the exposure should be if you could see data points on the captured frame.

In LV and MILCs that's no longer hypothetical, and other the OP is saying other OVF cameras have more accurate evaluative anyway (using LV as a benchmark). So it's valid to compare them and valid to consider gross errors as engineering deficits.

Bingo!

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NowHearThis wrote:

abortabort wrote:

NomadMark wrote:

NowHearThis wrote:

clearzoom wrote:

My gears

Nex F3 with these 4 lens - sel1855, sel16mm28, sel50mm18, sel55210

CanonT3i - with 55-250mm, tamron 17-55mm F28

I do use and Love my Nex F3, but ONLY thing I miss in Nex is the OVF.

I even tried Nex6 with EVF, but wasnt happy with EVF, as it is electronic and cant be Optical view finder

so I use T3i when I miss OVF

The Canon I use to own is the sole reason why I will never buy another camera with an optical viewfinder. I had a T2i and the metering system sucked!. In any metering mode it was still to reliant on the AF point. Changing to Center weighted only offered a minor improvement. My Nikon D40 was almost perfect. For my tastes, I just set the EV at -0.3 and left it alone. Oh the oher thing than ticked me off was that the meter locked when you half pressed the shutter release button. My lowly D40 did not, I could focus, recompose and the meter would reevaulate. Needless to say it would sometimes take me 2 or 3 shots, (ore more) to sometimes get the shot right.

When I got my NEX7, the EVF changed my whole world. First the metering system was as good as my D40 or any Nikon I've used (which is many) and if I ever felt like I wanted to adjust Exposure Compensation, I could do it while looking through the viewfinder, see the change, take the photo and it was always what I wanted when I looked at them later on my computer.

Since purchasing my NEX 7 (and now my A65), I like that I get to see a live histogram, see WB, color parameter changes, etc, etc, etc. For me, and what I do, I like the EVFs better.

I want to make sure am I the only one or others feel way using Mirror less?

Lot of folks seem to love Nex6, 7, A7, A7R and dont miss the OVF?

I will never use one again. Ever. Thanks Canon.

.

[In fairness to Canon, the 7D I tried does have a much better Meter inside it. But I'll still stick with my EVFs.]

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Nothing wrong with Canon's metering system. Not even in my old XSi. You just need to learn to work with it.

I taught Photography classes for 8 years. I know better than most how the metering system should work. It should not work like my old Rebel requiring as much a +/-1EV to correctly expose a picture. Working at that camera store I got to test out almost everything that came through it. (The T2i was one I didn't get to test, I mistakenly bought it on Reputation and Specs, oops.) I even did side by side comparisons against other brands and I consistently got the worst results from my T2i. When I did my test with the 7D, the 7D worked perfectly. Either I got a camera with a bad meter in it, or the system that the camera employs is too heavily linked with the AF point. Evaluative is supposed to be an evaluative meter, mine acted like the partial spot meter. I found that using the Center Weighted meter or AE Lock (on neutral tones) resulted in better exposed images then when using Canon's Evaluative Meter. Interestingly enough, if I shot in Live View the meter behaved completely different then when shooting through the OVF, it would actually act like and evaluative meter. I know Canon can get it right, they just didn't in the T2i.

And you can decouple the exposure lock and your shutter button, FYI. There are a ton of custom functions in Canon cameras to help you set it up how you would like!

I played with Custom menu #9 but to my recollection there wasn't much improvement. Doesn't matter now, though, I shoot Sony and I don't have metering issues anymore.

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That's because the LV meters off the sensor, not the dedicated meter which recieves no light when in LV.

You're missing the point. Let me explain again. For any given scene, If I shoot a Nikon in Live View or through the OVF, using its' Matrix Meter, I get identical exposures. if I shoot A 7D in Live View, then through its' OVF, using the Evaluative Meter, again, I get pretty much the exact same exposure. Same scene, but this time shoot with my old T2i, and I would different results.

These are the types of tests I did.

I don't care if the process for metering is different, the results of the T2i should have been much closer to the 7D or any of the Nikons I tried - but it wasn't. I was way off, which, as I explained before, meant I couldn't rely on the OVF because exposure was going to be all over the place, which it was.

It took a while, but I finally got rid of the T2i and got a NEX 7 and what a night and day difference that was, I could look through the EVF and all my shots came out great, AND I knew they were properly exposed because i could see it BEFORE taking the shot.

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I honestly don't care nor doubt your conclusions.

That doesn't matter with regards to the point I was making.

You said "interestingly enough when using LV the meter behaved completely different" I was just explaining that that is because they ARE completely different meteoric systems.

Regardless, other good cameras returned equal results using different systems.  The T2i did not, and the differences were dramatic - which I found interesting (and frustrating).

I also don't really care about what you can and cannot do with your NEX-7's EVF... I actually think you have mistaken me for someone else?

No, I simply tried to clarify my post for you....not that you care, apparently.

Also don't doubt that the T2 or whatever camera you are talking about had crape metering, it isn't uncommon for Canon to skimp on stuff like that. I just thought you would like to know why they may have been different between those two modes of operation because you didn't seem too clear on why that was the case.

I understood and knew they were different systems, but regardless of the type of system used, performance should have been almost the same.

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