Decisions, Decisions: 10-24mm zoom or 14mm prime

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Decisions, Decisions: 10-24mm zoom or 14mm prime
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I pre-ordered the 10-24mm zoom which is expected in April.  With the current sale offering of $699 for the 14mm, that's a $300 differential.  The zoom gives me more versatility, while the 14mm will most likely provide better IQ and is faster but has a significantly smaller FOV (89 degrees vs 110 degrees).  Size/weight is really not a factor for me so I'm not concerned the zoom is significantly larger.  I like the options that zooms provide but I'm very impressed with pictures I've seen coming from the 14mm.  I'm really trying to hone my photographic skills so I will be using the lens (along with the others I own) on a variety of subjects.  I think of myself as a utility photographer, not a specialist.

Thoughts anyone?

Thanks in advance!

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In reply to jrk, 10 months ago

Get the 14mm now and enjoy it and then add the 10-24mm when it arrives.... step on the G.A.S.    I bought the 14mm when it came out and it is a great lens, I will add the 10-24mm when it is available.

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In reply to jrk, 10 months ago

Buy what you need, but don't buy something just because it is on sale and may not get enough use to justify it. IMO a rainy day or just in case purchase is not the best idea.

If the lens cost $900 whatever it normally does would you still buy this lens. If not, you do not really need it based on what you shoot.

IMO, many get obsessed with a couple hundred dollars savings when you have a system that costs as much as a Full Frame DSLR but the time you get done with a few lenses. I think the reasoning should be different, unless one has money to burn and does not care about re-sale value if you need to sell the lens later.

I would think if you were going on vacation tomorrow what you would take and what would stay home. The Prime is smaller and less weight than a zoom, but the zoom is more versatile.

The one stop difference on a wide angle lens does not matter. Your not getting a shallow DOF with a wide angle lens unless your very close to the subject wide open and even then 90% of the time one never shoot everything thing at max aperture.

List at least 5 to 10 things/subject matter you shoot with a given lens and you will see that 18-55 or 23 or 35 prime get most use for most everything. A zoom lens being faster to compose the shot. I think the 10-24 is worth a look and if you sell the 14 mm to help pay for the 10-24 you are not getting $700 for a used 14 mm, maybe $400. I see it as redundancy and buying a lens twice if the lens is just to hold you over type purchase.

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All I can say is the 14 is spectacular and feels great on the camera.

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The zoom gives optical stabilization ....
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And probably more distortion/ca which will be correctable in software.

Myself, I will stick with the 14mm and probably buy the 16-55 f2.8 wr when available.

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Re: Decisions, Decisions: 10-24mm zoom or 14mm prime
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I have the 14 and 18 mm Fujinon lenses. When I had Canon gear I used a Sigma 12-24 (a very good lens) on full frame and 1.6 crop but it actually did not get used very much and hence I'm not going for the 10-24. Effective 21 mm is about as wide as I reckon to go. I do have an manual Samyang 16 mm for my Pentax weatherproof kit and could use it on the X-E2 but it's large and heavy and one can always crop a 14 mm shot.

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Re: Decisions, Decisions: 10-24mm zoom or 14mm prime
In reply to jrk, 10 months ago

Thoughts?
First thought: research. This forum has probably discussed this before. And probably more than once.
Second thought: go and test both once available. Don't reply on internet chatter.

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I am confident you'd find the zoom more flexible and with image stabilization  a definite plus for those times when you'll wish you had it. At some point I may cave but feel I'm not a real wide shooter to begin with. But if I were adding anything that would likely be the one.

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Re: Decisions, Decisions: 10-24mm zoom or 14mm prime
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nspur wrote:

I have the 14 and 18 mm Fujinon lenses. When I had Canon gear I used a Sigma 12-24 (a very good lens) on full frame and 1.6 crop but it actually did not get used very much and hence I'm not going for the 10-24. Effective 21 mm is about as wide as I reckon to go. I do have an manual Samyang 16 mm for my Pentax weatherproof kit and could use it on the X-E2 but it's large and heavy and one can always crop a 14 mm shot.

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I found the same thing when shooting my 12-24 (FF equiv 16-36mm) Tokina f4 on my Nikon D300(half frame). I often ended up at 14mm widest.

Having said that, I now shoot a 18mm lens on my D800e but I often find I crop to 21mm. Having the option is good though otherwise stitching beckons.

Just got the 18mm Fuji f2. Love it. It compliments my 27mm nicely as an about town, smallish, light weight kit with the X-E2.

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Re: Decisions, Decisions: 10-24mm zoom or 14mm prime
In reply to jrk, 10 months ago

You don't mention the lenses you already have. For example, if you have the 18-55, then there is significant overlap between the 10-24 & your current lens. But if all you have is a 35mm (for example) and favor wide angle shots then the 10-24 might make more sense.

However, I believe the most important factor is to understand if you truly want to shoot ultra-wide. Shooting at 10mm is different than 18, 16, or even 14mm. For example, if you use 10mm to shoot a typical landscape, all you'll get is a very wide view with lots of tiny details, and will likely be an uninteresting composition.

One of the main reasons to shoot at 10mm is to get exaggerated perspective. This means you bring some element in the foreground very close to the lens, to make it look larger than it actually is. It is a very distinct style and either you like it or you don't.

Here's an example of mine:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39102910@N07/9768773266/in/set-72157635553959736

I like this style of shooting, but I have to put myself in that mindset.  There are some good write-ups on this technique out there, although I think they overstate the degree of difficulty.

I'd suggest searching on flikr for very wide shots.  If you like what you see, you have something to aspire to and the 10-24 will be a good purchase.  If you are just looking for a good landscape lens, look to the 18 or 14.

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Re: Decisions, Decisions: 10-24mm zoom or 14mm prime
In reply to jrk, 10 months ago

I'd start with the 10-25mm zoom as I think you'll be really happy with it.  Yea, it is slower, but the zoom has OIS and this can oftentimes gain you about 4 stops.  And, frankly, unless your doing astrophotography and need a really fast sharp lens, the zoom will be perfect for landscape photography since we tend to stop down the lens anyway for that.  I have the 14mm, and use it on occasion for landscape work, but I think the zoom would be perfect and I'll pick up one of those as soon as it's available at my local retailer.

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Re: Decisions, Decisions: 10-24mm zoom or 14mm prime
In reply to EricWN, 10 months ago

EricWN wrote:

Thoughts?
First thought: research. This forum has probably discussed this before. And probably more than once.
Second thought: go and test both once available. Don't reply on internet chatter.

Unfortunately I know of no brick and mortar shop that I can visit that would have these two lenses.  The only places I'm aware of any where near me are places like Best Buy, Sams Club, etc.  They do not carry higher end equipment.  If I knew of a place I certainly would go once the 10-24 was released.  I found a couple of the replies very informative and have provided some insights that I hadn't thought of.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

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georgehudetz wrote:

You don't mention the lenses you already have. For example, if you have the 18-55, then there is significant overlap between the 10-24 & your current lens. But if all you have is a 35mm (for example) and favor wide angle shots then the 10-24 might make more sense.

However, I believe the most important factor is to understand if you truly want to shoot ultra-wide. Shooting at 10mm is different than 18, 16, or even 14mm. For example, if you use 10mm to shoot a typical landscape, all you'll get is a very wide view with lots of tiny details, and will likely be an uninteresting composition.

One of the main reasons to shoot at 10mm is to get exaggerated perspective. This means you bring some element in the foreground very close to the lens, to make it look larger than it actually is. It is a very distinct style and either you like it or you don't.

Here's an example of mine:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39102910@N07/9768773266/in/set-72157635553959736

I like this style of shooting, but I have to put myself in that mindset. There are some good write-ups on this technique out there, although I think they overstate the degree of difficulty.

I'd suggest searching on flikr for very wide shots. If you like what you see, you have something to aspire to and the 10-24 will be a good purchase. If you are just looking for a good landscape lens, look to the 18 or 14.

Thank you, this is much appreciated.  Viewing your pictures gave me a perspective I hadn't thought of.

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In reply to stulevine, 10 months ago

The 14mm is an extremely good lens.

Have a look at this shot:

http://www.pbase.com/gregbradley/image/150291539/large

Click on original and look at the very top left corner. You see significant star elongation only in the very corners. So the lens is not fully corrected for the image circle - they missed a bit. But that is unlikely to show in your images of landscapes.

OIS reduces image quality to some degree. So OIS on a 10-24 is less desirable. Shake is far less of an issue at wide focal lengths so OIS would be far less important. IQ is eveything though at wide angles.

The 14mm is one of Fuji's sharpest lenses.

Also perspective distortion will be much greater with the 10-24 at wider like those carpark photos posted a few weeks ago. So with the 10-24 you are going to be limited at the wider end to shoot horizontal or face the ugly consequences.

But also look at those wonderful Bruce Devlin Nevada landscape shots posted in his XT1 review. They are stunning.

I have 18-55 so 14 fits nicely. F2.8 is important for my use. 10-24 may still hold an attraction once more sample images are out. But as mentioned a super wide pushes landscape details back and can make for an uninteresting image.

Greg.

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  • The zoom is certainly more versatile.
  • The prime is a stop brighter.
  • At 14mm and f4, they both probably have similar IQ. In fact, I'd put money on this with the exception that the zoom is likely to exhibit more lateral CA.
  • The zoom has an image stabilizer.
  • If I had the zoom, I probably wouldn't use it very often wider than 14mm due to the fact that I find the extreme stretching into the corners bothersome with ultra-wide lenses.
  • The prime is a lot smaller.
  • The prime has that nice manual focus feature.
  • The prime has the same filter size as the kit zoom, allowing me to carry only one set of polarizer and ND filters.
  • The 18-55mm and 14mm share the same hood, so I only need to pack one.
  • The zoom has 72mm filter threads. I have no other XF lenses with this filter size.
  • They both have very nice construction (of course).
  • Neither is weather sealed.
  • The minimum focus distance for the zoom is 24cm.
  • The minimum focus distance for the prime is 18cm.

BTW, the diagonal angle of view for the 14mm is 90.8°, not 89°.

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The reason I got the 14mm is because I also have the 18-55 and thought this is the perfect lightweight combo for travel. I have xe-1 and xe-2, I keep the 14 on xe-1 for scenics and the genereal purppse lens on the faster xe-2. I also have the 55-200 and while I like it its a pain carry. I ordered the 27mm fixed to go with the 14 when I want to travel really light. It wasn't money I just feel the 14mm is small enough to stay on body all the time and I thought the wide angel zoom would be a hunk of glass that got me away from why I started with Fuji.

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The price difference may be more than $300 once you factor in a set of filter, clear, CPL and/or ND into the mix. So with filters the price difference might be closer to $400.

If you have the 18-55 the 14mm is a nice compliment as they share the same filters and hood. The 10-24 looks like the 18-55 on steroids - not that there is anything wrong with that.

Since the 14mm is on sale for a limited time, without a camera purchase, if you get the 14mm for $700 you can sell it for $750 in 3 months when the sale has long gone. So you risk little and get to shoot wide today!!!

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jrk wrote:

I pre-ordered the 10-24mm zoom which is expected in April. With the current sale offering of $699 for the 14mm, that's a $300 differential. The zoom gives me more versatility, while the 14mm will most likely provide better IQ and is faster but has a significantly smaller FOV (89 degrees vs 110 degrees). Size/weight is really not a factor for me so I'm not concerned the zoom is significantly larger. I like the options that zooms provide but I'm very impressed with pictures I've seen coming from the 14mm. I'm really trying to hone my photographic skills so I will be using the lens (along with the others I own) on a variety of subjects. I think of myself as a utility photographer, not a specialist.

Thoughts anyone?

Thanks in advance!

With the current discount, the 14 is the best deal. Its price will go back up so for me tat is one not to be missed.

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