Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

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Marco1971
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Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

What's the minimum shutterspeed for the 23mm Fuji prime to take pictures without blur ? (handheld).

Today i tried this lens on a X-E1 but with a shutterspeed of 1/60 with 1,4 apterture at iso200 but it was not possible to take a picture without blur (indoor shooting handheld).

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Mike Guffin
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Re: Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

1/60 should do it... I shoot 1/60 handheld with the 35 1.4... Maybe your subject moved, or you missed focus slightly...

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Re: Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

Marco1971 wrote:

What's the minimum shutterspeed for the 23mm Fuji prime to take pictures without blur ? (handheld).

Today i tried this lens on a X-E1 but with a shutterspeed of 1/60 with 1,4 apterture at iso200 but it was not possible to take a picture without blur (indoor shooting handheld).

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Zoomer52 Forum Member • Posts: 59
Re: Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens
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The answer to your question depends on YOU!

Only you can determine your steadiness with various lenses and even then it would vary depending on how tired you are, how much coffee you've had, etc.

When in doubt, I always reach for a tripod.  (Or up the ISO.)

I've got a friend who's never drank coffee and (not sure that's the reason or not) he can hand-hold a lens at a slower shutter speed than anyone I've ever met.  Three, sometimes four, stops lower than I can.

Learn your limits and don't be afraid of your tripod.

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Marco1971
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Zoomer52 wrote:

The answer to your question depends on YOU!

Only you can determine your steadiness with various lenses and even then it would vary depending on how tired you are, how much coffee you've had, etc.

When in doubt, I always reach for a tripod. (Or up the ISO.)

I've got a friend who's never drank coffee and (not sure that's the reason or not) he can hand-hold a lens at a slower shutter speed than anyone I've ever met. Three, sometimes four, stops lower than I can.

Learn your limits and don't be afraid of your tripod.

My post was related to the RAW file. The JPEG is tack sharp.

But i still don't understand why there is so much difference in sharpness....

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Marco1971 OP Regular Member • Posts: 340
Re: Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

Zoomer52 wrote:

The answer to your question depends on YOU!

Only you can determine your steadiness with various lenses and even then it would vary depending on how tired you are, how much coffee you've had, etc.

When in doubt, I always reach for a tripod. (Or up the ISO.)

I've got a friend who's never drank coffee and (not sure that's the reason or not) he can hand-hold a lens at a slower shutter speed than anyone I've ever met. Three, sometimes four, stops lower than I can.

Learn your limits and don't be afraid of your tripod.

I attached the JPEG. Seems ok to me

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DonSantos Senior Member • Posts: 1,145
Re: Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

What's the minimum shutterspeed for the 23mm Fuji prime to take pictures without blur ? (handheld).

Today i tried this lens on a X-E1 but with a shutterspeed of 1/60 with 1,4 apterture at iso200 but it was not possible to take a picture without blur (indoor shooting handheld).

I keep my min shutter at 1/125. But that's because I mainly take photos with people in them.

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Marco1971
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Re: Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

This jpeg was shot at 1/6 2.8 iso 200 --> impossible avoiding blur...

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flbrit Veteran Member • Posts: 3,665
RAW/JPG softness, nothing to do with Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens
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Marco1971 wrote:

My post was related to the RAW file. The JPEG is tack sharp.

But i still don't understand why there is so much difference in sharpness....

RAW files are not sharpened by the camera. You need to do this in post processing using your preferred software. JPG's are sharpened by the camera depending on what jpg style you select.

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57even Senior Member • Posts: 9,414
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Marco1971 wrote:

What's the minimum shutterspeed for the 23mm Fuji prime to take pictures without blur ? (handheld).

Today i tried this lens on a X-E1 but with a shutterspeed of 1/60 with 1,4 apterture at iso200 but it was not possible to take a picture without blur (indoor shooting handheld).

Blur is a lot more noticeable on a 16MP camera than it would be on most 35mm film, especially since noone ever looked at 100% screen files (30" prints).

The 1/FL rule is totally inadequate for most people. For one thing APSC means the FL is effectively 1.5X greater, and secondly the rule was invented for 12" prints.

My baseline (minimum) is 1/2FL, which still takes a fair amount of good technique, but this does not necessarily translate equally to all focal lengths. Light cameras tend to be harder to control as well (less intertia) and still may not be critically sharp at 100%.

Generally I use 1/50 as a minimum for the 14, 1/100 as a minimum for the 23 and 35, and 1/200 for everything else, simply because it seems to work. But I still have to be VERY careful when hand-holding. However the Fuji is usable enough up to ISO1600 for this not to be a problem.

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Andy Dan Regular Member • Posts: 160
Re: Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

Depends how steady are your hands and how you hold the camera...Considering the crop factor and the 23mm lens (35mm ff equiv)...1/35 is enough with a dlsr (slr style). With a rangefinder (if you don't have the lateral grip and your hands are not so steady) 1/80 is the best bet imo.

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57LowRider Senior Member • Posts: 3,766
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Very interesting, I nearly started a thread on this.

I think minimum shutter speed is one of the disadvantages of smaller formats; before Fuji enabled min speed in Auto ISO, it used to default to 1/F where the F is full-frame equivalent - so with the 35mm, it would go to 1/52.

Now, I don't have fun with that 1/F. In my experience, it works a lot better with 1/(full frame F + APS-C F), which would make the 35 require 1/(35 + 50) = 1/85; in practice, 1/100 (and I notice that Bert Stephani uses this too).

For the 23, 1/(23 + 35) = 1/58, so I use 1/60 as a minimum and that's fine - as your JPG shows. The real mystery you have is why the default output from RAW is not sharp - what are you using to post-process?

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bluesman2070
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I've not had the 23mm for long but I think 57LowRider is close to the mark with his formula. This was taken at 1/58s @ f3.2.

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Marco1971
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Re: Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

57LowRider wrote:

Very interesting, I nearly started a thread on this.

I think minimum shutter speed is one of the disadvantages of smaller formats; before Fuji enabled min speed in Auto ISO, it used to default to 1/F where the F is full-frame equivalent - so with the 35mm, it would go to 1/52.

Now, I don't have fun with that 1/F. In my experience, it works a lot better with 1/(full frame F + APS-C F), which would make the 35 require 1/(35 + 50) = 1/85; in practice, 1/100 (and I notice that Bert Stephani uses this too).

For the 23, 1/(23 + 35) = 1/58, so I use 1/60 as a minimum and that's fine - as your JPG shows. The real mystery you have is why the default output from RAW is not sharp - what are you using to post-process?

LR5

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Peter Flor Contributing Member • Posts: 637
Re: Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

I find Focal Length + 20 works well for me.  So for a 23mm APS-C that would be 35 + 20 = 55  or 1/60 (rounded off).

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57LowRider Senior Member • Posts: 3,766
Re: Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

Marco1971 wrote:

57LowRider wrote:

Very interesting, I nearly started a thread on this.

I think minimum shutter speed is one of the disadvantages of smaller formats; before Fuji enabled min speed in Auto ISO, it used to default to 1/F where the F is full-frame equivalent - so with the 35mm, it would go to 1/52.

Now, I don't have fun with that 1/F. In my experience, it works a lot better with 1/(full frame F + APS-C F), which would make the 35 require 1/(35 + 50) = 1/85; in practice, 1/100 (and I notice that Bert Stephani uses this too).

For the 23, 1/(23 + 35) = 1/58, so I use 1/60 as a minimum and that's fine - as your JPG shows. The real mystery you have is why the default output from RAW is not sharp - what are you using to post-process?

LR5

Do you use the defaults on import? (Sharpening amount 25, Radius 1.0)

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Re: Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

57LowRider wrote:

Marco1971 wrote:

57LowRider wrote:

Very interesting, I nearly started a thread on this.

I think minimum shutter speed is one of the disadvantages of smaller formats; before Fuji enabled min speed in Auto ISO, it used to default to 1/F where the F is full-frame equivalent - so with the 35mm, it would go to 1/52.

Now, I don't have fun with that 1/F. In my experience, it works a lot better with 1/(full frame F + APS-C F), which would make the 35 require 1/(35 + 50) = 1/85; in practice, 1/100 (and I notice that Bert Stephani uses this too).

For the 23, 1/(23 + 35) = 1/58, so I use 1/60 as a minimum and that's fine - as your JPG shows. The real mystery you have is why the default output from RAW is not sharp - what are you using to post-process?

LR5

Do you use the defaults on import? (Sharpening amount 25, Radius 1.0)

Yes

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57LowRider Senior Member • Posts: 3,766
Re: Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

Marco1971 wrote:

For the 23, 1/(23 + 35) = 1/58, so I use 1/60 as a minimum and that's fine - as your JPG shows. The real mystery you have is why the default output from RAW is not sharp - what are you using to post-process?

LR5

Do you use the defaults on import? (Sharpening amount 25, Radius 1.0)

Yes

Could you show us the Samsung camera shot exported at LR5 defaults? Just want to look at the sharpness compared to the earlier JPG (which was OOC?).

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Re: Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

bluesman2070 wrote:

I've not had the 23mm for long but I think 57LowRider is close to the mark with his formula. This was taken at 1/58s @ f3.2.

You didn't like the 23mm ??

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Re: Minimum shutterspeed Fuji 23mm lens

Here it is.

57LowRider wrote:

Marco1971 wrote:

For the 23, 1/(23 + 35) = 1/58, so I use 1/60 as a minimum and that's fine - as your JPG shows. The real mystery you have is why the default output from RAW is not sharp - what are you using to post-process?

LR5

Do you use the defaults on import? (Sharpening amount 25, Radius 1.0)

Yes

Could you show us the Samsung camera shot exported at LR5 defaults? Just want to look at the sharpness compared to the earlier JPG (which was OOC?).

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