7-14mm for travel?

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7-14mm for travel?
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I've been interested in wide angle lately but never really tried shots wider than 12mm (24mm FOV) with the 12-35mm.

The review seems to agree that the Pana 7-14mm F4 is a very good wide angle zoom.

I'm going to the mountains and thinking I want to explore wider lens, just need to ask that if I take only one lens can the 7-14 be a walk around lens for landscape and family shots, can I at least take nice shots of family member with background of the view at long end of the zoom or it's not really practical?

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I would not call the 7-14mm a "walk around" lens. It is more of a landscape lens, a great performer at that.

If you want to take pictures of family you would be better off with a standard lens as 12-35mm or 14-42mm.

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I think it's too wide to be a walk around lens. I'd go for the 12-35. If you see a scene that too wide for 12mm, shoot multiples and stitch.

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My 11-22 is fine as a walk around lens albeit oversized on m4/3. The Olympus 9-18 may be suitable and does have a m4/3 version. I agree with the other posters, that 14mm is a bit too wide to qualify for 'walkaround' use.

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zilver wrote:

I've been interested in wide angle lately but never really tried shots wider than 12mm (24mm FOV) with the 12-35mm.

The review seems to agree that the Pana 7-14mm F4 is a very good wide angle zoom.

I'm going to the mountains and thinking I want to explore wider lens, just need to ask that if I take only one lens can the 7-14 be a walk around lens for landscape and family shots, can I at least take nice shots of family member with background of the view at long end of the zoom or it's not really practical?

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The 7-14 would be too wide for all round and people use.

You'd be much better off with the 12-40 and when it's not wide enough to combine images into panoramas when you get home and can edit them. Here's a panorama I made at 12mm with the 12-40:

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Or...as long as you don't need it for low light work a standard 14-42 kit lens (or some other kit lens in that range) would be perfect for outdoors.  I've found my Olympus 14-42II to have excellent image quality.

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I agree with those who have posted here saying that the 7-14 is not a walk around zoom lens. With the 12-35 you already have that type of lens. The zone from 7mm to 12mm is very wide indeed, and there are few subjects you will encounter in your travels that require that wide a lens. It is not a good lens for candids on the street unless you want to move in close to your subject and get a lot of background in the shot.  I have the 7-14. It is a remarkably good lens. I use it mainly for shooting residential real estate interiors. Even then I hardly ever have the lens set at 7mm.

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zilver wrote:

I've been interested in wide angle lately but never really tried shots wider than 12mm (24mm FOV) with the 12-35mm.

The review seems to agree that the Pana 7-14mm F4 is a very good wide angle zoom.

I'm going to the mountains and thinking I want to explore wider lens, just need to ask that if I take only one lens can the 7-14 be a walk around lens for landscape and family shots, can I at least take nice shots of family member with background of the view at long end of the zoom or it's not really practical?

The 7-14mm is excellent. It focuses quickly and produces very sharp images, as long as you don't stop it down too much. I try go no further than f8. It takes a little effort to learn to control the 7mm end, but it's really worth it! Here's a good piece by Ken Rockwell (really! ) on shooting with ultra-wide lenses.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/how-to-use-ultra-wide-lenses.htm

It's part of my standard travel kit and I often use it as a walkabout lens when shooting places and spaces. And also for my design business. But certainly NOT people! My girlfriend complains of looking blimp-like if I happen to catch her in the edge of the frame. I always carry longer prime lenses or a standard zoom, so I can swap when necessary. If I were to carry two cameras, I think I'd dedicate the second to the 7-14mm. It's really that good. The images it helps me produce can be kind of amazing.

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For years i didn't think I needed an UWA and just stiched.   I bought the 9-18nm last year, and no way I'm selling it.   You can do more with an UWA that stitching just doesn't get you.

Saying that, UWA is not very good for people.   The wider you go the more faces and bodies can get distorted.   However, the 9-18mm is a better choice for an all-rounder than the 7-14mm.   I could easily take the 9-18mm and and a telephoto on vacation and be happy.   The 7-14mm is a fine lens, though.

Sometimes you just need more than one lens.   That's why they make them interchangable.   With m43, carrying an extra lens is no problem - they weigh nothing.    Pair up the 7-14mm with a fast prime (20mm or 25mm) and you are good to go.  Or if you wanted to stick with zooms, adding the 14-54 or a 14-42 are inexpensive options.

Anyway, I say go for the UWA.

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Two threads on travel lenses which include discussions of the 7-14:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3625142

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3627156

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markymark101 wrote:

Sometimes you just need more than one lens. That's why they make them interchangable. With m43, carrying an extra lens is no problem - they weigh nothing. Pair up the 7-14mm with a fast prime (20mm or 25mm) and you are good to go. Or if you wanted to stick with zooms, adding the 14-54 or a 14-42 are inexpensive options.

Exactly.

The original kit I bought with my first M4/3 was the GH2, 14-140mm, 20mm and 7-14mm. This was a perfect and very flexible set of travel lenses. Not too many (always a danger! ) and covering quite a wide range. My girlfriend has a GX1 and uses a 14-42mm II, 20mm and 45-150mm. I use a GX7 and primes. We share the 7-14mm.

Regardless of where I go or what I'm doing, the 7-14mm is always there. It's just a fantastic lens. And LOTS of fun to use!

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zilver wrote:

I've been interested in wide angle lately but never really tried shots wider than 12mm (24mm FOV) with the 12-35mm.

The review seems to agree that the Pana 7-14mm F4 is a very good wide angle zoom.

I'm going to the mountains and thinking I want to explore wider lens, just need to ask that if I take only one lens can the 7-14 be a walk around lens for landscape and family shots, can I at least take nice shots of family member with background of the view at long end of the zoom or it's not really practical?

Thanks,

It will be fine, 28mm equivalent is great for environmental portraits. The 7-14 is one of the best lenses m43 has to offer in my opinion. Sharp at every focal length corner to corner from wide open to f8. After f8 diffraction starts to affect sharpness but that happens with all m43 lenses. The unique perspective you get at 7mm can't be replicated by stitching and you can create some amazing shots if you get it right. I would take the oly 45mm f1.8 to complement it though just in case you want some closer people shots.

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Thanks all for the great replies.

I guess it's still divided answer on whether the 14mm end can actually take family shots with the background view when traveling.

I tried the 9-18mm and not really happy with the sharpness so I returned it too quickly without actually testing out the focal length uses, mistake!

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zilver wrote:

I guess it's still divided answer on whether the 14mm end can actually take family shots with the background view when traveling.

The 14mm long end of the 7-14 isn't really that much worsethan the 14mm short end of just about every kit lens made.

Here are two snaps with the 7-14 that might be the type of shots you are contemplating, one at 7 (with some significant subject distortion, particularly the dog at left), and one at 14.

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To the OP:  Actually, the opinions are NOT equally divided if you count them up.  Many more of the comments say that 7-14 is NOT suitable because it is too wide and causes distortion.  The advocates of the 7-14 include it as part of a multi-lens travel ensemble and the examples given of use with family are atypical.

IMO, it is YOU who cannot decide and remain equipoised between purchasing the 7-14 or not.  You have the entire range of reasons provided to you, both pro and con.  We cannot make this decision for you.

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zilver wrote:

I've been interested in wide angle lately but never really tried shots wider than 12mm (24mm FOV) with the 12-35mm.

The review seems to agree that the Pana 7-14mm F4 is a very good wide angle zoom.

I'm going to the mountains and thinking I want to explore wider lens, just need to ask that if I take only one lens can the 7-14 be a walk around lens for landscape and family shots, can I at least take nice shots of family member with background of the view at long end of the zoom or it's not really practical?

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Don't you already own a lens that can do 14mm? Like the kiit lens that came with your camera? Why don't you use it at 14mm and find out for yourself?

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zilver wrote:

Thanks all for the great replies.

I guess it's still divided answer on whether the 14mm end can actually take family shots with the background view when traveling.

I tried the 9-18mm and not really happy with the sharpness so I returned it too quickly without actually testing out the focal length uses, mistake!

The 9-18mm is on par with other m43 lenses I’ve used. Sorry to disappoint everyone, but the m43 system is not the most optically perfect out there. I only discovered real sharpness after buying a Ricoh GR.

The 7-14 is probably going to perform worse on an Olympus camera than the 9-18mm, because although it may be a bit sharper, it has a lot more purple fringing plus weird issues with purple flare. So I hope you intend to use it only on Panasonic cameras.

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zilver wrote:

I've been interested in wide angle lately but never really tried shots wider than 12mm (24mm FOV) with the 12-35mm.

The review seems to agree that the Pana 7-14mm F4 is a very good wide angle zoom.

I'm going to the mountains and thinking I want to explore wider lens, just need to ask that if I take only one lens can the 7-14 be a walk around lens for landscape and family shots, can I at least take nice shots of family member with background of the view at long end of the zoom or it's not really practical?

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The 7-14mm is essential in my travel kit, but I would never take *just* that lens, always a couple others like the 12-40, 75/1.8, or a few primes like 12/25/45 along with it in a small messenger bag.

When you need a lens like the 7-14, nothing else will do, but it isn't in any way a general purpose do everything lens. Its a specialty ultra wide zoom.

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I always take my 7-14 with me when I travel.  When I was shooting 4/3 the Olympus Zuiko 7-14 was tons of fun, giving me unique perspectives unavailable with even a standard wide-angle lens; and now that I've downsized to m4/3, the Pany 7-14 continues to give me some of my most memorable shots when traveling.  Here's a few samples:

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A few years I carried a 7-14 on a favorite hike (Ingalls Lake in the Cascades) and took the same scene at 7mm and at 14 and stitched.

7mm

Same time/location stitched version.

I am not a big fan of UWA for landscapes (exception is if you are going for large DOF). In the upper photo the clouds and larches seemed stretched in the corners.  In this case Mount Stuart is very close to Ingalls pass, but UWA's can easily make molehills out of mountains.

The stitched version looks more natural, even though it is much wider. Another advantage of shooting panoramas is you can use different projections.

To show why the UWA stretches the corners I mapped stitched version using rectilinear projection and did not crop.

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zilver wrote:

I'm going to the mountains and thinking I want to explore wider lens, just need to ask that if I take only one lens can the 7-14 be a walk around lens for landscape and family shots

The Lumix 7-14mm is a super wide-angle lens. Invaluable in specific situations but quite specialized.

Its strong parallax effect can be corrected for landscape but it's harder for deformed human beings shot near the side of the frame.

In your message, it's not clear if you'll climb mountains or drive to them. If you climb, it's difficult to protect that lens from hitting rocks since it doesn't accept filters.

In a nutshell, if I were in your shoes, I'd bring the Lumix 7-14mm for landscape photo, but rely to another lens as my general-purpose lens.

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