Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi

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Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi
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Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi, in other words, a cheaped down NEX 7?

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spacemn Senior Member • Posts: 1,565
Re: Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi

mike geier wrote:

Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi, in other words, a cheaped down NEX 7?

Well it should have magnesium alloy the places where the NEX-7 has got it (top plate and lower casing).

So that and a couple of fewer buttons than the 7, then you are more or less right

Donny out of Element here Contributing Member • Posts: 990
Re: Yes, you are wrong
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mike geier wrote:

Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi, in other words, a cheaped down NEX 7?

It has OSPDAF AF that NEX-7 can dream of. It has improved sensor with better high ISO. It has better battery life. It has Wi-Fi and NFC. It has new much faster BIONZ-X quad core chip with new jpeg engine and selective noise reduction. It has much better price.

The only "downgrade" is EVF (still sharper and cleaner look than one in N6/7) and absence of tri-navi, BUT it has dedicated MR mode on top dial, C1 and C2 buttons, and 7 customizable buttons overall. IMHO it is a no contest with N6/7. Not even close.

nevercat Senior Member • Posts: 3,193
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Donny out of Element here wrote:

mike geier wrote:

Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi, in other words, a cheaped down NEX 7?

It has OSPDAF AF that NEX-7 can dream of. It has improved sensor with better high ISO. It has better battery life. It has Wi-Fi and NFC. It has new much faster BIONZ-X quad core chip with new jpeg engine and selective noise reduction. It has much better price.

The only "downgrade" is EVF (still sharper and cleaner look than one in N6/7) and absence of tri-navi, BUT it has dedicated MR mode on top dial, C1 and C2 buttons, and 7 customizable buttons overall. IMHO it is a no contest with N6/7. Not even close.

+1

And you forgot the APPs...
And look at the price of $800 with kit lens, that is such a dramatic downgrade of the Nex 7!

Marla2008
Marla2008 Senior Member • Posts: 2,419
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I actually see if more as a humpless, APS-C A7.

To me, a long time N7 user who still picks my N7 over any other camera (and yes, I returned the A7), the N7 is mostly about TriNavi and mag alloy case. Both these things make a huge difference vs other cameras. I loved my N6 units and like the 6's IQ slightly over the N7, but I still always pick the N7 when going out the door, because the TriNavi is genius for a Manual shooter like me, and the metal construction *feels* completely different in the hand.

I though the A7's build was appropriate, but not superb. I expect the A6000 (which I preordered anyway) to have pretty much the same. The new custom controls are welcome, but very necessary to balance the loss of the TriNavi. Fortunately, from what I read, the top dial is very configurable, which should let anybody adapt it to their shooting styles.

I hope the jpeg processing is NOT that of the A7, which I did find much worse than the N7's.

As amazing as the N7 is (and I'm totally keeping mine), if the AF claims of the A6000 are true, then it's gonna be a pretty neat camera.

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Sony won't finish what they started with the Nex-7. The tri-navi thing had considerable promise, but Sony wouldn't tinker, tweak or perfect it. They were deaf to the comments on the controls which could have been perfect.

The thing with the dials is that they were just too precise, with no way to configure them to be more responsive. I wanted to swing from f/16 to f/2 in fraction of a second, or from 1/1000 to 1/30 moving from light to shadow on the street. Couldn't. Each wheel click was fixed at 1/3. I could be wrong, but I doubt, even if they ever re-release tri-navi that they will take the trouble to get it just right.

I found the RX1 to be much more enjoyable to shoot, though I had the same problem with the shutter speed, at least there was the responsive aperture ring.

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Donny out of Element here wrote:

mike geier wrote:

Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi, in other words, a cheaped down NEX 7?

It has improved sensor with better high ISO.

But the camera isn't even out yet and they aren't showing RAW images yet as far as I know.

Eric

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KelvinHammond Regular Member • Posts: 323
Re: Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi

Don't forget the wifi addition...   I'm still waiting to see.  The spec list isn't complete. It would need a few more differences for me to spring for one.

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Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi, in other words, a cheaped down NEX 7?

OTOH, you should look at it as upgraded NEX-5R/T with higher resolution and integrated EVF. At $800, it is priced closer to NEX-5R ($750) than either NEX-6 ($1000) or NEX-7 ($1400).

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Re: Yes, you are wrong

Donny out of Element here wrote:

mike geier wrote:

Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi, in other words, a cheaped down NEX 7?

It has OSPDAF AF that NEX-7 can dream of. It has improved sensor with better high ISO. It has better battery life. It has Wi-Fi and NFC. It has new much faster BIONZ-X quad core chip with new jpeg engine and selective noise reduction. It has much better price.

The only "downgrade" is EVF (still sharper and cleaner look than one in N6/7) and absence of tri-navi, BUT it has dedicated MR mode on top dial, C1 and C2 buttons, and 7 customizable buttons overall. IMHO it is a no contest with N6/7. Not even close.

who cares .. IF its contrast detection improves the NEX dire low light AF thats worth the upgrade (cant get to excited about sensor/processor bumps certainly not worth selling to upgrade) ... any more expensive and you would have to be a nutter not to go Sony FF if you wanted to stick with sony.

CEfan Regular Member • Posts: 123
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mike geier wrote:

Am I wrong?

Yes.

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semifast Contributing Member • Posts: 780
Re: Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi

The A3000 is more like an Nex7 than the A6000 is.

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Re: Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi

I thought the A3000 was junk, returned it after my second use. Only kept it that long because I thought I must be wrong in how I felt and should give it another try. I was totally disappointed in it

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The A3000 is more like an Nex7 than the A6000 is.

It really isn't.

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semifast wrote:

The A3000 is more like an Nex7 than the A6000 is.

This looks like a place to "not even"

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Re: Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi

like I said, a cheaped down NEX 7

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EinsteinsGhost
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Re: Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi

like I said, a cheaped down NEX 7

You could have said an upgraded NEX-5R or cheaper NEX-6 as well. Why only compare to a body that was 2x the price?

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mike geier OP Senior Member • Posts: 1,229
Re: Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi

because that was what it was put fourth to be, a NEX 8-7 replacement. NOT

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Re: Am I wrong? A6000 just a NEX 7 with a composite body and no tri navi

because that was what it was put fourth to be, a NEX 8-7 replacement. NOT

I see market placement rather than PR (or souped up) imaginations of "pro reviewers" much less rumor sites. It is a $650 (body) camera. NEX-6 was $850 and NEX-7 was $1300 (body only). The 6000 is 5R update with an integrated view finder without costing as much as even NEX-6.

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tietheknot Forum Member • Posts: 99
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You obviously don't care about autofocus then.  That is the biggest selling point on the a6000.  So much for NEX (7 and others) users who complain so much about it and feel disappointed once autofocus may be made magical after all?

Have you ever used a 5r or 6?  In manual mode you have dedicated controls for aperture and shutter speed - it is really not much of a compromise to not have a dedicated ISO control, considering it is only one button press away.

Not to mention it is cheaper than the NEX 7.

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