user opinions on 7D vs 70D for birds and wildlife

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I have a 7D and have had it for a couple of years.  I shoot mostly wildlife and birds.  Here's my question...I've read reviews of both and comparisons, but I want real life opinions from the people on here.   I also just got the new Tamron 150-600mm lens.  I've been using the Canon 100-400mm lens.   Here's my question...when I look at photos online from people using both cameras with the new Tamron lens, the 70d shots always just look better to me.  Is it me or is the IQ better than the 7D?  I never shoot video so that's not a consideration.  I know I don't have $2000-3000 to pay for the 7D II if it ever comes out and not sure I want it anyway.    Can anyone give me their opinions?   I'd just like your take on it.  Thank you.

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In reply to PK62, 5 months ago

The IQ is better but I am not sure I would want to give up the buffer, joystick and spot focus on my 7D. I actually prefer my 7D to my husband's 5D3 due to the faster buffer when shooting sports and wildlife. I can switch subjects and keep shooting with no busy signal.

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Is it me or is the IQ better than the 7D? I never shoot video so that's not a consideration. I know I don't have $2000-3000 to pay for the 7D II if it ever comes out and not sure I want it anyway. Can anyone give me their opinions? I'd just like your take on it.

It's you, but it's not just you, you can include me in. Most people that have switched from the 7D to the 70D have mentioned the improved IQ.

There are always argumentative people that will use numbers ie DxO, their great grand uncle, or whatever website...

Technique, such as how to "properly" hold the camera are a 1000 times more important than any comparison numbers.

Numbers do not make images!

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For your use I would stick with your 7D.

You're not going to gain enough image quality with the 70D to justify the cost of switching.

Not to mention as already posted there are other trade offs too.

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I have had a 7D for a few years and have been playing with a borrowed 70D for a bit. In almost every way the 7D is better but the 70D does have a slight edge on IQ plus the AF when used on the 100-400 is slightly more consistent in some situations but only some. With my 70-200 AF is brilliant on both. There are so many things about the 7D that make it that bit better for my type of photography that I would not switch. Like many of us, you probably just have that itch for something new.

For anyone that doubts the capabilities of the 7D then this thread says it all - http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3615609

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Thanks, this is the kind of info. I needed.  I'm sure you're right about wanting something new.  I just got the Tamron lens so I'll learn to get the most out of that before I change cameras.

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For your use I would stick with your 7D.

You're not going to gain enough image quality with the 70D to justify the cost of switching.

Not to mention as already posted there are other trade offs too.

Thanks, it sounds like I should stick with my 7D.

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PK62 wrote:

I have a 7D and have had it for a couple of years. I shoot mostly wildlife and birds. Here's my question...I've read reviews of both and comparisons, but I want real life opinions from the people on here. I also just got the new Tamron 150-600mm lens. I've been using the Canon 100-400mm lens. Here's my question...when I look at photos online from people using both cameras with the new Tamron lens, the 70d shots always just look better to me. Is it me or is the IQ better than the 7D? I never shoot video so that's not a consideration. I know I don't have $2000-3000 to pay for the 7D II if it ever comes out and not sure I want it anyway. Can anyone give me their opinions? I'd just like your take on it. Thank you.

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Hi Patti,

Your gallery demonstraits to me, excellent images of common subjects, special little moments.

I do not have the 7D or 70D yet.It would be only a 3 or 4 hundred dollar upgrade after selling your 7D. You might find yourself doing more macro photography, (flip screen a massive asset in that) or short videos of your birds and splice them together, options the 70D would excel at, and there is the cleaner shadow recover. Whether you would miss the few features the 7D has over the 70D is very much a matter of your usage. If you are white water rafting or trekking across Antarctica than than the tougher build of the 7D is the only choice. But simply the feel of the 7D may be your preference, just not for image quality with newer glass in particular. At the same time there is nothing wrong with a 7D owner milking maximum life and use out of what you have already invested.

I would recommend holding onto the 7D while renting the 70D and trying them both with static subjects (stuffed teddy bear etc is good) in your most common type of lighting, as well as moving subjects as a separate but difficult to compare unless you go to the zoo perhaps; your Canon 100-400L and your Tamron 150-600mm. And do it soon so you get maximum use THIS summer with the best gear you can afford. Lensrentals carries the 70D.  For me in the Pacific Northwest that would only cost $88 for a five day rental including damage waiver and round trip FedEx shipping.

I will be eagerly listening to feedback from people your self that have used the Canon 100-400L and the new 150-600 Tamron. PLEASE feel free to PM personal Message me "bugbait" when you post some impressions of how the 100-400L performs in comparison to the 150-600 Tamron.

By the way here is a fairly exhaustive comparison review by Dustin Abbott.

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Hi Patti,

I don't know how many RAW files a 7D can shoot before it hits the buffer but I noticed that my 70D is able to shoot 18 RAW files before the buffer is filled up, my 5DmkIII hits the buffer at 12 RAW files

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Thanks, this also gives me a lot to think about.  I do also admit that the 7D has always been large for my hands.  Soon maybe I'll go to a camera shop and hold a 70D and see how it feels and also how the controls feel to me.

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robbert100 wrote:

Hi Patti,

I don't know how many RAW files a 7D can shoot before it hits the buffer but I noticed that my 70D is able to shoot 18 RAW files before the buffer is filled up, my 5DmkIII hits the buffer at 12 RAW files

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25 RAW files on 7D and 18 RAW files on 5D3.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/support/consumer/eos_slr_camera_systems/eos_digital_slr_cameras/eos_5d_mark_iii#Specifications

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Is it me or is the IQ better than the 7D?

You are not dreaming.  The more I shoot with the 70D and the more subjects I continue to photograph, the clearer it becomes that the IQ from the new sensor is a definite step up from Canon's long-standing 18 MP sensor.

I can now claim a full 1-stop increase in IQ.

This is meaningful, and it gives me a lot more options out in the field (or anywhere else for that matter).

For instance, I finally got the chance to shoot some eagles fishing this winter and was able to freely shoot at ISO 800.  Previously my starting point was ISO 400 with my T4i (virtually the same IQ as the 7D).

That meant I could put a 1.4x non-reporting Tamron TC on my 400 f/5.6L (for 560mm) and keep my shutter speed at 1/2500 sec (the magic number for those who do BIFs).  As a side note: the AF with the TC on the 70D was impressive.  Here are a couple of samples (click "Original" for best viewing)...

This combo on the 70D was quick to lock on (was a complete non-starter on some other bodies), and tracking was perfect as long as you held the AF point on the target.

AF wasn't bothered much by busy backgrounds or water (which can be tricky).

ISO 800, zero noise reduction.  They print at SuperB wonderfully.  This is just a small sampling.

I post a 100% crop for evaluation.  There is some PF that I didn't remove, and I lose some resolution with the "cheapo Tamron" TC, but overall I was pretty pleased with the results.  Also note the very fine-grained noise in the skies...

Most of the time though I shot with the straight 400 (birds were close enough), and results were outstanding (I haven't posted any to the Web yet).  I get 20 RAW frames in 3 seconds (before slowdown to 2 FPS) with both the SanDisk Extreme and Extreme Pro SD cards.  Buffer clears in a bit less than 9 seconds.

AF with the straight 400 was lightning fast and very decisive.  You should have great luck with your Teles.  This is a very enjoyable camera to shoot.

Hope this helps some.  Just holler if you have any more questions.

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Wow, those are beautiful shots!  I have camera envy for sure.  I'm really going to have to think about this.  But, it also could just be that you're a much better photographer than me too, which is a very likely possibility   

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OK, another question.  I'm reading that the Tamron lens isn't working well in AI Servo on the 7D, is that another reason to switch to the 70D?  I've been using it and it seems to work, but then I haven't used it to track a lot of birds, but it seems to focus OK.

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As you now have the EOS 7D + the Tamron 150-600mm VC, please provide us with some real life shots. This would be agreat help for EOS 7D owners toying with the idea of getting this new Tamron supertele, like me.

I read in another thread in the DxO markings for the Tamron 150-600mm VC that its performance is not so good on the EOS 7D than on the 70D and particuarly not as good as on a full frame camera like the 5D. That would confirm what you say.

Now we are looking forward to see your pictures of birdies, etc. ...

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PK62 wrote:

OK, another question. I'm reading that the Tamron lens isn't working well in AI Servo on the 7D, is that another reason to switch to the 70D? I've been using it and it seems to work, but then I haven't used it to track a lot of birds, but it seems to focus OK.

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You are just looking for an excuse to get a new toy lol.

Every review I have seen of the Tamron/7D combo seems very positive about the AF. The 70D has the same AF sensor but obviously a different circuit behind it. It lacks one feature of the 7D but gains in other ways plus it has that nifty new dual pixel AF.

You know you are going to buy it so stop posting and pop down to your nearest dealer with a hand full of Wonga.

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PK62 wrote:

OK, another question. I'm reading that the Tamron lens isn't working well in AI Servo on the 7D, is that another reason to switch to the 70D? I've been using it and it seems to work, but then I haven't used it to track a lot of birds, but it seems to focus OK.

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You are just looking for an excuse to get a new toy lol.

Every review I have seen of the Tamron/7D combo seems very positive about the AF. The 70D has the same AF sensor but obviously a different circuit behind it. It lacks one feature of the 7D but gains in other ways plus it has that nifty new dual pixel AF.

You know you are going to buy it so stop posting and pop down to your nearest dealer with a hand full of Wonga.

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You might have a point,   but really I've been reading that the tracking doesn't work well on the 7D, but I've got to try mine out more.  If anyone has it and can post shots that would be great.  It won't stop snowing long enough here to go out.

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Hi Patti,

Your gallery demonstraits to me, excellent images of common subjects, special little moments.

I do not have the 7D or 70D yet.It would be only a 3 or 4 hundred dollar upgrade after selling your 7D. You might find yourself doing more macro photography, (flip screen a massive asset in that) or short videos of your birds and splice them together, options the 70D would excel at, and there is the cleaner shadow recover. Whether you would miss the few features the 7D has over the 70D is very much a matter of your usage. If you are white water rafting or trekking across Antarctica than than the tougher build of the 7D is the only choice. But simply the feel of the 7D may be your preference, just not for image quality with newer glass in particular. At the same time there is nothing wrong with a 7D owner milking maximum life and use out of what you have already invested.

Another important question is whther the OP wants to retain his 7D as a second camera or whether he would sell it.

If the former is the case, I think he better waits for the 7D MkII (if he wants something new) because otherwise he would have two cameras with completely differnt operation and might find himself pressing the wrong buttons all the time.

This happens to me all the time when I swap my EOS 20D and 40D - they are similar, but ISO and drive have been swapped.

Thus I find myself setting the self timer all the time, when I want to change ISO....

For this reason I now bought an used 7D instead of a 70D - not only was it considerably cheaper, but does have the same controls as my 40D and similar ones to my 20D, which I will continue to use (one of them will be converted to Infrared).

However, if the OP plans to sell his 7D and replace it with the 70D, this issue will be there only for a short initial time....

Otherwise, it makes sense to pair 50Ds (and lower) with the 7Ds and 5Ds and to pair 70Ds with 6Ds - to have a similar control lay-out all across the whole fleet...

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phill104 wrote:

You are just looking for an excuse to get a new toy lol.

Every review I have seen of the Tamron/7D combo seems very positive about the AF. The 70D has the same AF sensor but obviously a different circuit behind it. It lacks one feature of the 7D but gains in other ways plus it has that nifty new dual pixel AF.

You know you are going to buy it so stop posting and pop down to your nearest dealer with a hand full of Wonga.

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You might have a point, but really I've been reading that the tracking doesn't work well on the 7D, but I've got to try mine out more. If anyone has it and can post shots that would be great. It won't stop snowing long enough here to go out.

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On the other hand I got a 7D cheaply used and eyeing the Tamron, but if I plunge into this signficant expense, I definitely do not want to shell out for a new camera.

Therefore your user experience with the Tamron 150-600mm VC - 7D combo would be of greatest value.

Come on, this snowy weather is an excellent opportunity to get a bird feeder and place it on your garden or balcony, this way you can "shoot" from the comfort of your home.

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PK62 wrote:

phill104 wrote:

You are just looking for an excuse to get a new toy lol.

Every review I have seen of the Tamron/7D combo seems very positive about the AF. The 70D has the same AF sensor but obviously a different circuit behind it. It lacks one feature of the 7D but gains in other ways plus it has that nifty new dual pixel AF.

You know you are going to buy it so stop posting and pop down to your nearest dealer with a hand full of Wonga.

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You might have a point, but really I've been reading that the tracking doesn't work well on the 7D, but I've got to try mine out more. If anyone has it and can post shots that would be great. It won't stop snowing long enough here to go out.

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On the other hand I got a 7D cheaply used and eyeing the Tamron, but if I plunge into this signficant expense, I definitely do not want to shell out for a new camera.

Therefore your user experience with the Tamron 150-600mm VC - 7D combo would be of greatest value.

Come on, this snowy weather is excellent to get a bird feeder and place it on yourt garden or balcony, this way you can "shoot" from the comfort of your home.

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These are my very first shots with the new Tamron using my 7D.  I know they're not great, but here they are.  I'm pleased considering it's so different for me to handle compared with my 100-400.  It's a little more difficult to use with small hands, but these are all using a monopod.

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