Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7

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EinsteinsGhost
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Re: AF lock?

see http://store.sony.com/mirrorless-dslr-camera-zid27-ILCE6000/B/cat-27-catid-All-Alpha-a6000-Cameras?_t=pfm%3Dcategory

quote:

  • Focus Features : Lock-on AF, Eye AF, Predictive control, Focus lock, AF illuminator (with Built-in LED type) Approx. range; 0.3- approx. 3.0m (with E PZ 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 OSS lens attached)

I think another term for object tracking. Its there on RX10 too. The camera will maintain focus on a moving subject.

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wictred Senior Member • Posts: 1,195
Re: AF lock?

EinsteinsGhost wrote:

see http://store.sony.com/mirrorless-dslr-camera-zid27-ILCE6000/B/cat-27-catid-All-Alpha-a6000-Cameras?_t=pfm%3Dcategory

quote:

  • Focus Features : Lock-on AF, Eye AF, Predictive control, Focus lock, AF illuminator (with Built-in LED type) Approx. range; 0.3- approx. 3.0m (with E PZ 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 OSS lens attached)

I think another term for object tracking. Its there on RX10 too. The camera will maintain focus on a moving subject.

but that is "Lock-on AF", isn't it?

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EinsteinsGhost
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Re: AF lock?

EinsteinsGhost wrote:

see http://store.sony.com/mirrorless-dslr-camera-zid27-ILCE6000/B/cat-27-catid-All-Alpha-a6000-Cameras?_t=pfm%3Dcategory

quote:

  • Focus Features : Lock-on AF, Eye AF, Predictive control, Focus lock, AF illuminator (with Built-in LED type) Approx. range; 0.3- approx. 3.0m (with E PZ 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 OSS lens attached)

I think another term for object tracking. Its there on RX10 too. The camera will maintain focus on a moving subject.

but that is "Lock-on AF", isn't it?

Might be the same thing. Unless it is an additional feature like Focus Hold (assignable to a button) which I doubt.

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David Smith - Photographer Forum Member • Posts: 69
I hope the high ISO performance is better then the NEX-7

Lots of detail (with the right lens) but also a lot of noise in the NEX-7 images. Anything above ISO400 looks terrible. I hope the high ISO performance is better then the NEX-7. I guess we'll have to wait for a couple of months.

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Re: I hope the high ISO performance is better then the NEX-7

David Smith - Photographer wrote:

Lots of detail (with the right lens) but also a lot of noise in the NEX-7 images. Anything above ISO400 looks terrible. I hope the high ISO performance is better then the NEX-7. I guess we'll have to wait for a couple of months.

In most respects the NEX-7 was an amazing camera for it's time, except for one thing. The sensor was lifted out of the A77, a long-register SLT model. All cameras of the series have not had the the lens adaptation and other problems since that time. And that will certainly hold true for the brand-new sensor in the A6000.

AlanLawr Regular Member • Posts: 150
Re: Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7

I was at WPPI this week and Sony had the A6000 on display so I got to hold and shoot it.  It's amazing.  The auto-focus is unbelievable.  The Sony people flat out told me that there is nothing that the NEX-7 does better than the A6000 and that the A6000 is better in every way.  It sure felt better in the hand than my NEX-7.  I've already sold my NEX-7 in anticipation of the A6000 which ships in two weeks.  The Sony reps told me to dump the NEX-7 while I can!

Photostyle Contributing Member • Posts: 607
Re: Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7

AlanLawr wrote:

I was at WPPI this week and Sony had the A6000 on display so I got to hold and shoot it. It's amazing. The auto-focus is unbelievable. The Sony people flat out told me that there is nothing that the NEX-7 does better than the A6000 and that the A6000 is better in every way. It sure felt better in the hand than my NEX-7. I've already sold my NEX-7 in anticipation of the A6000 which ships in two weeks. The Sony reps told me to dump the NEX-7 while I can!

Why does it feel better in hand than the NEX7 ? to me it seems to have the same ergonomic's ore am I wrong ?

Euell Senior Member • Posts: 1,804
Re: Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7

edwardaneal wrote:

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

OpticsEngineer wrote:

much faster AF on the A6000

can you say that with my Sigma AF lenses?

Probably not any slower.

but whats the point of changing if it isn't actually faster? seriously, if you take away the faster AF what does the A6000 offer that I don't already have? and what would I loose like the EVF resolution and no mic input?

seriously, at this point we don't even know which sensor is better - at low ISO without the pdaf pixels there is a very reasonable chance that the NEX-7 sensor might actually perform better

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.  The NEX 7 is way out of date now. Technology does not move backwards. The A6000 would not sell if bested by a much older model, now would it?

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KBKB Senior Member • Posts: 2,772
Re: Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7
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AlanLawr wrote:

The Sony people flat out told me that there is nothing that the NEX-7 does better than the A6000 and that the A6000 is better in every way.

What else would you expect them to say? Their goal is to sell as many new cameras as they can.

Wouldn't you say that the NEX-7's interface is better for a manual mode shooter? Access to all three exposure parameters are available at the turn of a knob or dial.

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PVCdroid
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Re: Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

OpticsEngineer wrote:

much faster AF on the A6000

can you say that with my Sigma AF lenses?

Probably not any slower.

but whats the point of changing if it isn't actually faster? seriously, if you take away the faster AF what does the A6000 offer that I don't already have? and what would I loose like the EVF resolution and no mic input?

seriously, at this point we don't even know which sensor is better - at low ISO without the pdaf pixels there is a very reasonable chance that the NEX-7 sensor might actually perform better

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. The NEX 7 is way out of date now. Technology does not move backwards. The A6000 would not sell if bested by a much older model, now would it?

A big deficit for me at this point is the lack of a leveling gauge on the A6000. I was all on board a couple days ago to get one but am now waiting to see if this feature is really missing. The A3000 and A5000 have it but there is no example image/screen shot out there showing the gauge so far and the specs from the published manual indicate it's gone. It doesn't make sense and I hope it's just an oversight or the prototype didn't have it for display yet.

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AlanLawr Regular Member • Posts: 150
Re: Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7

Why does it feel better in hand than the NEX7 ? to me it seems to have the same ergonomic's ore am I wrong ?

For me, it felt like the grip was just a tad bigger which made it more comfortable for my hand.  Everyone will be different.

PVCdroid
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Re: Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7

PVCdroid wrote:

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

OpticsEngineer wrote:

much faster AF on the A6000

can you say that with my Sigma AF lenses?

Probably not any slower.

but whats the point of changing if it isn't actually faster? seriously, if you take away the faster AF what does the A6000 offer that I don't already have? and what would I loose like the EVF resolution and no mic input?

seriously, at this point we don't even know which sensor is better - at low ISO without the pdaf pixels there is a very reasonable chance that the NEX-7 sensor might actually perform better

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. The NEX 7 is way out of date now. Technology does not move backwards. The A6000 would not sell if bested by a much older model, now would it?

A big deficit for me at this point is the lack of a leveling gauge on the A6000. I was all on board a couple days ago to get one but am now waiting to see if this feature is really missing. The A3000 and A5000 have it but there is no example image/screen shot out there showing the gauge so far and the specs from the published manual indicate it's gone. It doesn't make sense and I hope it's just an oversight or the prototype didn't have it for display yet.

Per a customer support chat session just now, the level gauge is gone on the A6000. Too bad and I must be one of the few that rely on this feature. Other posters here seem disinterested in this capability.

Question:

I'm interested in the A6000 but can't find that it has a leveling gauge for the LCD. Both the A3000 and A5000 have this feature. Can you confirm that it IS NOT on this new camera?

Answer:

Upon checking the a6000 has no digital level gauge.

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DtEW Senior Member • Posts: 2,167
Re: Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7

PVCdroid wrote:

PVCdroid wrote:

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

OpticsEngineer wrote:

much faster AF on the A6000

can you say that with my Sigma AF lenses?

Probably not any slower.

but whats the point of changing if it isn't actually faster? seriously, if you take away the faster AF what does the A6000 offer that I don't already have? and what would I loose like the EVF resolution and no mic input?

seriously, at this point we don't even know which sensor is better - at low ISO without the pdaf pixels there is a very reasonable chance that the NEX-7 sensor might actually perform better

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. The NEX 7 is way out of date now. Technology does not move backwards. The A6000 would not sell if bested by a much older model, now would it?

A big deficit for me at this point is the lack of a leveling gauge on the A6000. I was all on board a couple days ago to get one but am now waiting to see if this feature is really missing. The A3000 and A5000 have it but there is no example image/screen shot out there showing the gauge so far and the specs from the published manual indicate it's gone. It doesn't make sense and I hope it's just an oversight or the prototype didn't have it for display yet.

Per a customer support chat session just now, the level gauge is gone on the A6000. Too bad and I must be one of the few that rely on this feature. Other posters here seem disinterested in this capability.

Question:

I'm interested in the A6000 but can't find that it has a leveling gauge for the LCD. Both the A3000 and A5000 have this feature. Can you confirm that it IS NOT on this new camera?

Answer:

Upon checking the a6000 has no digital level gauge.

A digital level is admittedly a useful feature on a camera. However:

1) I have shot for years without one...

2) I have shot the NEX-5N for a couple of years without one...

3) I shoot my Canon 6D through the OVF 95% of time, where the digital level is not available...

4) For even tripodded-and-digital-leveled (and often bubble-leveled as well) landscape stuff I shoot with the 6D... I still have to fine-correct in PP, as the levels are rarely precise enough for my tastes.

Therefore not having a digital level is not a big deal for me, even though I would like one. I suspect people "disinterested in this capability" might be coming from a similar direction.

Aside from the lens-side of the equation, the core functionality of a modern camera is its sensor capabilities and its autofocus system. Being that both of these are supposed to be significantly improved on the A6000 over any of its predecessors, it's a no-brainer.

To me, IMHO, to consider it a deal-breaker is to reject a newer model of a sports car with more power and better handling because it lost the cup-holders of the previous model. Sure, to also have the cup-holders would be nice... but it's ancillary... and ultimately, expendable.

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bparanoid Junior Member • Posts: 39
Re: Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7

PVCdroid wrote:

PVCdroid wrote:

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

OpticsEngineer wrote:

much faster AF on the A6000

can you say that with my Sigma AF lenses?

Probably not any slower.

but whats the point of changing if it isn't actually faster? seriously, if you take away the faster AF what does the A6000 offer that I don't already have? and what would I loose like the EVF resolution and no mic input?

seriously, at this point we don't even know which sensor is better - at low ISO without the pdaf pixels there is a very reasonable chance that the NEX-7 sensor might actually perform better

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. The NEX 7 is way out of date now. Technology does not move backwards. The A6000 would not sell if bested by a much older model, now would it?

A big deficit for me at this point is the lack of a leveling gauge on the A6000. I was all on board a couple days ago to get one but am now waiting to see if this feature is really missing. The A3000 and A5000 have it but there is no example image/screen shot out there showing the gauge so far and the specs from the published manual indicate it's gone. It doesn't make sense and I hope it's just an oversight or the prototype didn't have it for display yet.

Per a customer support chat session just now, the level gauge is gone on the A6000. Too bad and I must be one of the few that rely on this feature. Other posters here seem disinterested in this capability.

Question:

I'm interested in the A6000 but can't find that it has a leveling gauge for the LCD. Both the A3000 and A5000 have this feature. Can you confirm that it IS NOT on this new camera?

Answer:

Upon checking the a6000 has no digital level gauge.

This makes no sense at all. Hopefully this is a case where the CS is just misinformed.

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plasnu Regular Member • Posts: 310
Re: Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7

I checked 6000 at Sony Store in Tokyo, and I can confirm that 6000 is the best E mount ever made. I don't think someone would choose 7 over 6000 even if they are the same price, but 6000 is actually cheaper.

Positive

1. Faster and too good to be true follow focus.

2. Much faster operation. Powers up much faster, too.

3. Better looking EVF than Nex 6/7, even it is lower resolution. No problem with eyeglasses.

4. Gapless micro lens should lower noise ratio.

5. Way better jpeg, I think.

6. Price.

Negative

1. Looks considerably cheaper than Nex 7. Unmistakably Plastic.

2. I could tell EVF is lower resolution.

3. No Tri Navi.

4 No Level (Confirmed).

plasnu Regular Member • Posts: 310
Re: Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7

I asked if they would release 7000, but no definitive answer, of course. I feel that they would in the future, but I believe 6000 will be the best selling NEX ever (it is actually no more NEX, though), so they may not release 7000 this year. Or they would release 6000R, with better EVF, level, no LPF.

PVCdroid
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Re: Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7

bparanoid wrote:

PVCdroid wrote:

PVCdroid wrote:

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

OpticsEngineer wrote:

much faster AF on the A6000

can you say that with my Sigma AF lenses?

Probably not any slower.

but whats the point of changing if it isn't actually faster? seriously, if you take away the faster AF what does the A6000 offer that I don't already have? and what would I loose like the EVF resolution and no mic input?

seriously, at this point we don't even know which sensor is better - at low ISO without the pdaf pixels there is a very reasonable chance that the NEX-7 sensor might actually perform better

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. The NEX 7 is way out of date now. Technology does not move backwards. The A6000 would not sell if bested by a much older model, now would it?

A big deficit for me at this point is the lack of a leveling gauge on the A6000. I was all on board a couple days ago to get one but am now waiting to see if this feature is really missing. The A3000 and A5000 have it but there is no example image/screen shot out there showing the gauge so far and the specs from the published manual indicate it's gone. It doesn't make sense and I hope it's just an oversight or the prototype didn't have it for display yet.

Per a customer support chat session just now, the level gauge is gone on the A6000. Too bad and I must be one of the few that rely on this feature. Other posters here seem disinterested in this capability.

Question:

I'm interested in the A6000 but can't find that it has a leveling gauge for the LCD. Both the A3000 and A5000 have this feature. Can you confirm that it IS NOT on this new camera?

Answer:

Upon checking the a6000 has no digital level gauge.

This makes no sense at all. Hopefully this is a case where the CS is just misinformed.

Alin who tested the prototype confirmed it wasn't there as well but I'm not sure why he didn't mention it in his review. The DPReview first impressions review missed it as well. I'm disappointed.

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plasnu Regular Member • Posts: 310
Re: Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7

PVCdroid wrote:

bparanoid wrote:

PVCdroid wrote:

PVCdroid wrote:

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

OpticsEngineer wrote:

much faster AF on the A6000

can you say that with my Sigma AF lenses?

Probably not any slower.

but whats the point of changing if it isn't actually faster? seriously, if you take away the faster AF what does the A6000 offer that I don't already have? and what would I loose like the EVF resolution and no mic input?

seriously, at this point we don't even know which sensor is better - at low ISO without the pdaf pixels there is a very reasonable chance that the NEX-7 sensor might actually perform better

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. The NEX 7 is way out of date now. Technology does not move backwards. The A6000 would not sell if bested by a much older model, now would it?

A big deficit for me at this point is the lack of a leveling gauge on the A6000. I was all on board a couple days ago to get one but am now waiting to see if this feature is really missing. The A3000 and A5000 have it but there is no example image/screen shot out there showing the gauge so far and the specs from the published manual indicate it's gone. It doesn't make sense and I hope it's just an oversight or the prototype didn't have it for display yet.

Per a customer support chat session just now, the level gauge is gone on the A6000. Too bad and I must be one of the few that rely on this feature. Other posters here seem disinterested in this capability.

Question:

I'm interested in the A6000 but can't find that it has a leveling gauge for the LCD. Both the A3000 and A5000 have this feature. Can you confirm that it IS NOT on this new camera?

Answer:

Upon checking the a6000 has no digital level gauge.

This makes no sense at all. Hopefully this is a case where the CS is just misinformed.

Alin who tested the prototype confirmed it wasn't there as well but I'm not sure why he didn't mention it in his review. The DPReview first impressions review missed it as well. I'm disappointed.

There is no level on 6000. I checked it at the Sony Store. It can still tell Vertical/Horizontal position automatically, though.

PVCdroid
PVCdroid Senior Member • Posts: 3,709
Re: Speculation on the A6000 vs the NEX-7

plasnu wrote:

PVCdroid wrote:

bparanoid wrote:

PVCdroid wrote:

PVCdroid wrote:

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

Euell wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

OpticsEngineer wrote:

much faster AF on the A6000

can you say that with my Sigma AF lenses?

Probably not any slower.

but whats the point of changing if it isn't actually faster? seriously, if you take away the faster AF what does the A6000 offer that I don't already have? and what would I loose like the EVF resolution and no mic input?

seriously, at this point we don't even know which sensor is better - at low ISO without the pdaf pixels there is a very reasonable chance that the NEX-7 sensor might actually perform better

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. The NEX 7 is way out of date now. Technology does not move backwards. The A6000 would not sell if bested by a much older model, now would it?

A big deficit for me at this point is the lack of a leveling gauge on the A6000. I was all on board a couple days ago to get one but am now waiting to see if this feature is really missing. The A3000 and A5000 have it but there is no example image/screen shot out there showing the gauge so far and the specs from the published manual indicate it's gone. It doesn't make sense and I hope it's just an oversight or the prototype didn't have it for display yet.

Per a customer support chat session just now, the level gauge is gone on the A6000. Too bad and I must be one of the few that rely on this feature. Other posters here seem disinterested in this capability.

Question:

I'm interested in the A6000 but can't find that it has a leveling gauge for the LCD. Both the A3000 and A5000 have this feature. Can you confirm that it IS NOT on this new camera?

Answer:

Upon checking the a6000 has no digital level gauge.

This makes no sense at all. Hopefully this is a case where the CS is just misinformed.

Alin who tested the prototype confirmed it wasn't there as well but I'm not sure why he didn't mention it in his review. The DPReview first impressions review missed it as well. I'm disappointed.

There is no level on 6000. I checked it at the Sony Store. It can still tell Vertical/Horizontal position automatically, though.

How is it determining the vertical/horizontal position without the level without the gauge? Are you just talking about the gridlines?

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