And THIS is why I'm switching to Fuji from Sony...

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And THIS is why I'm switching to Fuji from Sony...
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http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-trusted-sources-no-a7000-aps-c-e-mount-coming-in-2014-main-focus-on-fe-from-now-on/

No more support for the APS-C in terms of a NEX7 replacement or APS-C lenses...odd considering they just released the A6000....

Can't get my hands on my X100S soon enough! (And my X-T1 when it releases!)

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Yes, with the announcement of the A6000 I was seriously considering running a Fuji and Sony system together, but after reading that the true successor to the NEX-7 won't come out till next year, I decided to look towards Samsung or just keep my m43 gear.

Sony is more focused on FF right now to care about APSC..

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I agree.

I was a big NEX fan a couple years ago, but it's clear to me now that Sony can't be trusted to come through with camera systems. Now that Fuji is making the sort of APS-C bodies and lenses I've been wanting I think Fuji is the way to go.

I have to say though, that Olympus (and Panasonic) has also been making a really nice system as well. The EM bodies are great and the lens selection is superb and growing. But in my experience I find APS-C IQ still noticeably better -- I wish I didn't otherwise OLY M43 would be great for me.

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Welcome !

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Tapper123 wrote:

I have to say though, that Olympus (and Panasonic) has also been making a really nice system as well. The EM bodies are great and the lens selection is superb and growing. But in my experience I find APS-C IQ still noticeably better -- I wish I didn't otherwise OLY M43 would be great for me.

Same here! But so many m43 users claim that the E-M5/E-M1 IQ is better than APSC and FF..

Which makes me laugh, but oh well..

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I'm glad I dumped A99 last year and moved to Fuji. Sony makes great products but they are totally confused with what they are doing and which product to support and because of that they are losing loyal customers.

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Reposting a post I made in another thread on thissame subject. Sums up my feelings about the two companies.

To me, Sony appears to be throwing a bunch of stuff on the wall to see what sticks. The problem is they are also (IMO) being incredibly indecisive. First there were the alpha cameras with SLT, The Then they had the NEX line and it was doing great from a sales standpoint but they seemed to abandon, and we got the A series, and now a new "NEX" camera. All the while there has been no real lens support. To me the whole thing says that they lack confidence in their ability to pick a successful direction. I don't think they will have a proper lens roster until they actually pick a platform and direction.

Contrast that with Fuji... the X-Pro 1 was announced in January 2012, just two years ago! In that time Fuji has developed a true photographic platform with entry, mid, and high level bodies. Top notch Prime and Zoom lenses, but also cheaper, more entry level zoom lenses. The latest addition of a weather sealed body, and within a few months weather sealed lenses to match. And of course there is that lens roadmap that has been surprisingly, though not 100% accurate.

When I look at the offerings from the two companies the phrase that comes to mind is "Comfortable in their own skin" Fuji is, Sony isn't.

Sony will pick something eventually and it'll probably be good, but how long is that gonna take?

At a certain point you're not buying a camera, you're investing in a system/platform. That's the real strength of Canikon. People are invested in the platform and the more lenses and accessories they have the harder it is to switch. Fuji is going all out to build their own platform and they're doing it through quality product design, unparalleled product support (Firmware for discontinued models, etc) and just plain old listening to their customers and actually acting on the feedback. Not only do they make high quality products, they also actually seem to care what we say! Amazing! That's why they get my money, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

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Ever since Sony were found to be installing root kits some years back, I have not bought, nor even looked at, another Sony product, no matter how tempting its tech appears to be. They also deliberately break the DVD standard on video DVDs. I won't buy from a company I can't trust.

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Dopey question: what is an FE camera?
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johnbandry wrote:

Ever since Sony were found to be installing root kits some years back, I have not bought, nor even looked at, another Sony product, no matter how tempting its tech appears to be. They also deliberately break the DVD standard on video DVDs. I won't buy from a company I can't trust.

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Wow, I wasn't aware of that. Very, very bad Sony. Thanks for the link.

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Dopey question: what is an FE camera?
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FE refers to the new 35mm "full frame" series mount, i.e. Sony A7 and A7r. NEX cameras are E-mount but can also use FE-mount lenses albeit cropped due to the smaller sensor.

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Makes economic sense - Sony cannot be supporting 3 lines targeted at the same consumer.

I see the FE series being the top end where the fast primes and f2.8 zooms being developed.

I see the E series being the entry level - consumer level stuff.

I see the A series dying a slow death.

Sure there will be some stuff coming out this year that doesn't fit the above descriptions but I think that's just Sony flushing out their R&D pipelines of unreleased finished products.

I wouldn't expect new products starting development that don't fit the above descriptions.

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http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-trusted-sources-no-a7000-aps-c-e-mount-coming-in-2014-main-focus-on-fe-from-now-on/

No more support for the APS-C in terms of a NEX7 replacement or APS-C lenses...odd considering they just released the A6000....

Can't get my hands on my X100S soon enough! (And my X-T1 when it releases!)

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MrChristopher wrote:

Dopey question: what is an FE camera?
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FE refers to the new 35mm "full frame" series mount, i.e. Sony A7 and A7r. NEX cameras are E-mount but can also use FE-mount lenses albeit cropped due to the smaller sensor.

Thanks. I sort of thought Sony was headed this way.

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Does wishy washy about say it?  Who knows what any camera company will do tomorrow, but we know Sony will probably continue to change directions.  I have only used my wife's compact and the RX 100, hate the UI on both.  For me that is enough.

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a6000 is a replacement for both nex-6 and nex-7. 24mb sensor, better processor, better focus and more robust body actually puts it closer to nex-7. what would a7000 bring? slightly better ovf? the fact that price is from nex-6 is a bonus.

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Compared to Fujifilm (1934, first cam 1948), Olympus (1919, first cam 1936), Nikon/Nikkor (1917, first cam 1948), Canon (1937, first cam 1937) and other Japanese optics/camera/film companies, Sony (1946, first cam 1996) simply has no historic legacy or experience in R&D and manufacture of *still* cam systems.  When someone I know buys anything else but Sony, I personally thank them and tell them they made the right decision.  A colleague of mine rented an A7 to see how well it would do with his Leica M lenses, but quickly returned and rejected it because "it feels like a Gameboy first, and a camera second."  Well put.   And when I told him about X-E1 bodies hovering near $500, and the Leica M-Adapter for under $200, well that got his attention real fast.

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I've always felt that Sony is a consumer electronics company, and Fuji is a photo/imaging company.  Both make good products, but I feel that Fuji will be more true to their optics roots than Sony will ever be.

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why? they are coming with new aspc bodies with new generation sensor and processor. From description new sensor won't be just about focus assist, but should deliver better iq. when did fuji last come with improved iq sensor? I agree that so far it's still better than sony's sensor, but to say that sony gave up on apsc is just not true. With lenses it's always been sony's weak spot. They produce enough lenses, just not enough good ones. Of course, you can always buy Touit 32mm and 12mm or zeiss 24mm. They are not much more expensive than fuji's and just as good or better in case of Touit. What sony brings to the table is better focusing and video. Fuji still leads with iq, original lenses and interface. we'll see how good a6000 sensor really is and whether it changes iq balance.

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I use both systems. NEX and Fuji and a Sony A7.

Actually Sony is slimming down and going through a transition. They recently sold their PC division and split off their TV one. They will focus more heavily on cameras now as a company. I love both companies but keep in mind the size of Sony vs Fuji... its much easier for Fuji to focus on one system.

Sony is a great company and with its new leaders seems to be heading back on the right track. The PS4 for example is hugely successful.

The A6000 looks great and is going to be unbeatable at that PRICE 800$ for the KIT imo. Have you seen the autofocus on that thing? its truly amazing.

Sony's strat seems simple. Sub 1000$ APSC cameras with a ton of new features and true innovation.

Over 1000$ FULL FRAME banking on it being the future (which i agree it is). You can get a sony A7 Kit for 1700$ on ebay... the X-t1 is 1700$ for the kit.. Do you HONESTLY think the X-t1 is better IQ than the FF A7? lol... And lenses... the 35mm and 55mm (One of the best lens period in the world, check the review) are on par with anything Fuji offers if not better.... Obviously there aren't as many options the system just launched less than 6 months ago...

I really dont like to see people sounding like fuji fanboys. I love fuji and have a x-e1 with the 27mm  F2.8 pancake right next to me right now at all times but sony's is on the right track, it will just take time to develop.

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Mike in Kansas wrote:

I've always felt that Sony is a consumer electronics company, and Fuji is a photo/imaging company. Both make good products, but I feel that Fuji will be more true to their optics roots than Sony will ever be.

Try the A7r with the 55mm FE lens and get back to me. It blows 3000$ DSLRS (5d MK3) with 2000$ lenses away....

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