>>> Street Photography eXchange #85 <<<

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xtoph
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Re: Never too late
In reply to Still Young, 10 months ago

i really like the angles, sense of space, and colors of this shot.

it is possible that there is excess space on the left side. don't know that it matters enough to crop it.

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Re: Unlocking
In reply to xtoph, 10 months ago

Chris...I need your help here. I can't come up with a beneficial crop. Would you show us one?

Thanks.

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Re: Selection [market]
In reply to Still Young, 10 months ago

the onions make a good subject for some reason (in both this and the next photo).

i like the colors and the boxes and blocks of this one. i wish there were even more space at the top.

the next one seems to revolve around the onion's roots. i wonder if it should be more centered on them.

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Re: Hook(s)
In reply to jacwashere, 10 months ago

This is certainly a weird, odd, puzzling, curious picture. You caught a mystery, or 2 or 3.

Great image.

Sal

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Re: Unlocking
In reply to Sal18, 10 months ago

i am also not sure it is better, but i think cropping off the left side to eliminate the bright vertical area beyond the pattered part (i.e., about where the upright to the 'B' of the banister falls) would improve it. shaving some off the top for proportion wouldn't be a tragedy.

it is probably a situation where it needed to be framed over to the right in the original. it is usually the case that people need at least as much space, if not more, in the direction they're facing as behind them. there are exceptions, of course.

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Re: Getting Up Close
In reply to Paulmorgan, 10 months ago

The last one has 'it'. For me, this is by far the best of the batch. It's got flavor.

Sal

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i liked them in color better
In reply to Paulmorgan, 10 months ago

as i mentioned previously, some of these which you posted before reminded me of other shots which were posted here of the henley regatta, and now i see that apparently that's because they were both shot by the same person? though i am not sure why you need two log-ins.

one of the things i thought was interesting about these shots as previously posted was the color. i don't see what you gain by converting to bw. (you lose some of the sense of sun-drenched outdoors, i think. and the color, of course, which tended to emphasize separation from the blue sky.)

particularly when posted all together like this, the perspective of shooting from waist-height is not, i think, doing you any favors. it ends up looking like you are trying, mostly unsuccessfully, to sneak shots of people, and it is unclear why you would need to. combined with repeatedly re-posting the same shots, it seems like you are finding it difficult to assert yourself and take photos in public in an open, relaxed way. of course i could have this completely wrong; but that is what it looks like, and the fact that it appears that way in your photos is why it is an issue. it makes the circumstances of the exposures more important than the content of them.

regardless, the way out is probably to take more photos, either more in exactly this same style such that the sustained, consistent approach becomes artistically significant itself, or moving past this style, so that practice can make you more comfortable in a different way of working.

looking forward to seeing some new work, either way.

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Re: Hook(s)
In reply to jacwashere, 10 months ago

jacwashere wrote:

I like it (a lot). Just wondering... what does the title refer to?

David

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Fair Wages Protest, Toronto
In reply to xtoph, 10 months ago

M7, 28mm, 580Ex, TriX, Rodinal

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Paulmorgan wrote:

Looking at your gallery, you can be a competent photographer. But these shots leave me stone cold, for a number of reasons. If the eyes are invisible, psychological insight is hard to communicate, likewise social connection, and eye contact. The combination of sunglasses and shadows from hats depersonalize these people.

Shooting from the perspective of a flying rat also serves to depersonalize the photographer.

Nil desperandum. The depersonalization creates the ground for humor. That is what destroys these for me artistically. The affluent looking ridiculous is just as much a cliche as the homeless looking pitiful. Not that it can never make a good photo, as Weegee did several generations ago:

So what does this have that yours do not:

Understanding of human nature (almost a form a compassion). The right figure is a helpless drunk, the left figure has had so much plastic surgery that she has lost the ability to change her expression. this is both humorous and on another level, deeply touching. Even if you don't know this about the figures, it is communicated somehow through the photo and we feel it.

Artistic intelligence: He combines not just one, but two interesting things in the frame.

Hard work: He actually set this up and used and assistant, but made it look spontaneous. It's also possible to work at finding interesting shots that are not set up.

A good title: The Critic. It gives us just enough distance to be comfortable with a very uncomfortable picture. Also, it has ironic overtones about the Opera and social conditions.

A nostril shot, such as yours, is what newspapers publish of politicians they disagree with. It is a cheap and tedious joke.

Sal is very generous, but when she posts shots like this there is psychological insight and social intelligence at work. So, in addition to what Chris said about shooting at eye level, I would add that you should be your own critic and ask yourself if, once again, you are being lazy. What could you add to the shot to make it less boring to the rest of us.

I only say this, because I constantly have to ask myself the same question only to find that my mind, alas, is too empty to find it, and my skill to clumsy to capture it if I do.

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Re: Fair Wages Protest, Toronto
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Jeff, It may be that you took this shot for the geometry within the frame, and I have no idea about, or, officially, interest in your political feelings about this demonstration.

But it is a brilliant document, ironic, insightful, hilarious even.

My parents were Trotskyites during the Depression.   They met because my mom was the only female in the NYC cell who could afford the bus fare to go to Detroit to liaise with my dad.   Can you imagine a group of mostly Jews (I'm morally certain) in NYC not being able to afford bus fare?   Times were hard.   Their efforts to provoke mass revolution in the US did not, as it turned out, succeed.

Going back to the French revolution there have been artistic conventions for showing protests and demonstrations.   They never look up like this to privilege the context of the demonstration.   They like to show what seems (whether it is or not) a surging mass of angry people, even if they have to arrange the shot and have the emotion staged for the camera.

Well, I think I've explained enough to show why I find this shot brilliant and hilarious.   A demonstration is a public political performance, just as a coronation is.   You've followed the lead of HCB in showing the reaction of the crowd.

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In reply to Zubu Barunda, 10 months ago

Thank you for your comments, which are much appreciated. I would be very reluctant to crop the bottom of the picture because this would destroy the natural flow of its complex composition. The crop would also change the meaning conveyed by this photo.

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Re: The Critic (Weegee)
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fad wrote:

Paulmorgan wrote:

Looking at your gallery, you can be a competent photographer. But these shots leave me stone cold, for a number of reasons. If the eyes are invisible, psychological insight is hard to communicate, likewise social connection, and eye contact. The combination of sunglasses and shadows from hats depersonalize these people.

Shooting from the perspective of a flying rat also serves to depersonalize the photographer.

Nil desperandum. The depersonalization creates the ground for humor. That is what destroys these for me artistically. The affluent looking ridiculous is just as much a cliche as the homeless looking pitiful. Not that it can never make a good photo, as Weegee did several generations ago:

So what does this have that yours do not:

Understanding of human nature (almost a form a compassion). The right figure is a helpless drunk, the left figure has had so much plastic surgery that she has lost the ability to change her expression. this is both humorous and on another level, deeply touching. Even if you don't know this about the figures, it is communicated somehow through the photo and we feel it.

Artistic intelligence: He combines not just one, but two interesting things in the frame.

Hard work: He actually set this up and used and assistant, but made it look spontaneous. It's also possible to work at finding interesting shots that are not set up.

A good title: The Critic. It gives us just enough distance to be comfortable with a very uncomfortable picture. Also, it has ironic overtones about the Opera and social conditions.

A nostril shot, such as yours, is what newspapers publish of politicians they disagree with. It is a cheap and tedious joke.

Sal is very generous, but when she posts shots like this there is psychological insight and social intelligence at work. So, in addition to what Chris said about shooting at eye level, I would add that you should be your own critic and ask yourself if, once again, you are being lazy. What could you add to the shot to make it less boring to the rest of us.

I only say this, because I constantly have to ask myself the same question only to find that my mind, alas, is too empty to find it, and my skill to clumsy to capture it if I do.

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Frank
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Looking at your gallery, you can be a competent photographer. But these shots leave me stone cold, for a number of reasons. If the eyes are invisible, psychological insight is hard to communicate, likewise social connection, and eye contact. The combination of sunglasses and shadows from hats depersonalize these people.

Its simply life as it happens

At times there looking for social disconnection from an otherwise social event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zatmdqTYivI

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Re: i liked them in color better
In reply to xtoph, 10 months ago

xtoph wrote:

as i mentioned previously, some of these which you posted before reminded me of other shots which were posted here of the henley regatta, and now i see that apparently that's because they were both shot by the same person? though i am not sure why you need two log-ins.

one of the things i thought was interesting about these shots as previously posted was the color. i don't see what you gain by converting to bw. (you lose some of the sense of sun-drenched outdoors, i think. and the color, of course, which tended to emphasize separation from the blue sky.)

particularly when posted all together like this, the perspective of shooting from waist-height is not, i think, doing you any favors. it ends up looking like you are trying, mostly unsuccessfully, to sneak shots of people, and it is unclear why you would need to. combined with repeatedly re-posting the same shots, it seems like you are finding it difficult to assert yourself and take photos in public in an open, relaxed way. of course i could have this completely wrong; but that is what it looks like, and the fact that it appears that way in your photos is why it is an issue. it makes the circumstances of the exposures more important than the content of them.

regardless, the way out is probably to take more photos, either more in exactly this same style such that the sustained, consistent approach becomes artistically significant itself, or moving past this style, so that practice can make you more comfortable in a different way of working.

looking forward to seeing some new work, either way.

Yes I shoot from the waist at times, though not to be sneaky, I either fancy the lower angle, as from a child's position of view, or I feel the need to engage with whom I`m shooting, more often than not its simply so I can engage without the camera getting in the way for face to face contact.

I`ve recently rebuilt my PC and have many more images, all I need to sort out now is finding a way to attach old IED hard drives so I can get at all the files.

On occasions I even shoot with the camera held aloft for a birds eye view, again there is nothing sneaky about it, I`ll smile and wave at the same time.

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Re: Hook(s)
In reply to Sal18, 10 months ago

thank you, you're too kind

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Re: Hook(s)
In reply to TroiD, 10 months ago

thank you, if you notice the thing between the subects heads (i hope this is the correct english

word for what that is), also look closely to the male subject left hand..

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