Sony A7 Flash

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10 months ago

Im sure this has been asked before but what flash do you guys use for the Sony A7 or A7r? I just bought a A7. I dont mind using a non sony brand in its standard hot shoe im just looking for the best option.

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juvx wrote:

Im sure this has been asked before but what flash do you guys use for the Sony A7 or A7r? I just bought a A7. I dont mind using a non sony brand in its standard hot shoe im just looking for the best option.

I bought a Sony 20m mainly because I don't usually need a high powered high featured flash and the small size of the A7R is one of the main selling points for me so having a flash I can fit in my shirt pocket is a big benefit.  Just got it last night so I haven't used it extensively, but it seems capable for what it is, somewhere in between a built in flash and a "real" flash.

I may also pick up a F43M if I think I'll get some use out of it, but I'm mostly a landscape photographer, I just want a flash for casual candids, so I probably don't really need anything better than the 20m.  Though if I do pick up a higher end flash, I can use the 20m to trigger it if I want, which is a bonus.

Seems to me that using a standard hot shoe would be missing out on some benefits (though probably gaining in other areas), but someone else can probably chime in better than I on that.

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juvx wrote:

Im sure this has been asked before but what flash do you guys use for the Sony A7 or A7r? I just bought a A7. I dont mind using a non sony brand in its standard hot shoe im just looking for the best option.

In my opinion the best option is the HVL60FM. I have it and I'm amazed. I was already happy with the older HVL58FM, but the 60 it's even better (and comes with a diffuser too...).

Of course "best" is relative. Do you need a smaller size? How powerful should the flash be?

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Depends on what you want to do.

For most things, I think the HVL-F20M, which I bought, is pretty good. It's small, surprisingly powerful, and meters very well, even with manual lenses, adapters, etc. Two things it doesn't do are turn sideways or high speed sync. If either of these features are must-haves, then you would have to look at the higher end models. I bought this one because it's small enough to keep in my bag all the time.

For a more powerful, more flexible, but less automatic flash, I have an old Canon 299T. That unit has an auto mode, so it can be used without TTL or pre-flash.

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juvx wrote:

Im sure this has been asked before but what flash do you guys use for the Sony A7 or A7r? I just bought a A7. I dont mind using a non sony brand in its standard hot shoe im just looking for the best option.

The HVL-F43M is really nicely balanced and sized for the A7/A7R cameras.

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Can you please show camera pic with the 20m flash?
In reply to NicolasKL, 10 months ago

Can't find the picture of the A7 with the 20m flash anywhere, would like to see if's it still small.

Thank you.

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juvx wrote:

Im sure this has been asked before but what flash do you guys use for the Sony A7 or A7r? I just bought a A7. I dont mind using a non sony brand in its standard hot shoe im just looking for the best option.

I bought a Sony 20m mainly because I don't usually need a high powered high featured flash and the small size of the A7R is one of the main selling points for me so having a flash I can fit in my shirt pocket is a big benefit. Just got it last night so I haven't used it extensively, but it seems capable for what it is, somewhere in between a built in flash and a "real" flash.

I may also pick up a F43M if I think I'll get some use out of it, but I'm mostly a landscape photographer, I just want a flash for casual candids, so I probably don't really need anything better than the 20m. Though if I do pick up a higher end flash, I can use the 20m to trigger it if I want, which is a bonus.

Seems to me that using a standard hot shoe would be missing out on some benefits (though probably gaining in other areas), but someone else can probably chime in better than I on that.

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zilver wrote:

Can't find the picture of the A7 with the 20m flash anywhere, would like to see if's it still small.

Thank you.

NicolasKL wrote:

juvx wrote:

Im sure this has been asked before but what flash do you guys use for the Sony A7 or A7r? I just bought a A7. I dont mind using a non sony brand in its standard hot shoe im just looking for the best option.

I bought a Sony 20m mainly because I don't usually need a high powered high featured flash and the small size of the A7R is one of the main selling points for me so having a flash I can fit in my shirt pocket is a big benefit. Just got it last night so I haven't used it extensively, but it seems capable for what it is, somewhere in between a built in flash and a "real" flash.

I may also pick up a F43M if I think I'll get some use out of it, but I'm mostly a landscape photographer, I just want a flash for casual candids, so I probably don't really need anything better than the 20m. Though if I do pick up a higher end flash, I can use the 20m to trigger it if I want, which is a bonus.

Seems to me that using a standard hot shoe would be missing out on some benefits (though probably gaining in other areas), but someone else can probably chime in better than I on that.

I can post a pic when I get home.  Depends on your definition of small.  It's a relatively small flash, but when mounted on the camera it still sticks up a fair amount even when it's in the down/off position.  It's not something you could leave mounted and shove in your pocket.  It is something you could leave mounted and put in a camera bag as long as the camera bag was accomodating, though I'd be a little worried that any pressure on the end of the flash would leverage quite a bit of force onto the flash mount, so I probably wouldn't ever do it.

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juvx wrote:

Im sure this has been asked before but what flash do you guys use for the Sony A7 or A7r? I just bought a A7. I dont mind using a non sony brand in its standard hot shoe im just looking for the best option.

In my opinion the best option is the HVL60FM. I have it and I'm amazed. I was already happy with the older HVL58FM, but the 60 it's even better (and comes with a diffuser too...).

Of course "best" is relative. Do you need a smaller size? How powerful should the flash be?

I was considering that but iv heard so many bad things about it overheating after a few shots....

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Brian_Smith wrote:

juvx wrote:

Im sure this has been asked before but what flash do you guys use for the Sony A7 or A7r? I just bought a A7. I dont mind using a non sony brand in its standard hot shoe im just looking for the best option.

The HVL-F43M is really nicely balanced and sized for the A7/A7R cameras.

Thank you Brian, after doing a bit more research thats probably what im going to go with.

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I have the 20M on order for TTL fill-flash. (Very hard to get in the UK for some reason!)

For manual flash the Yongnuo wireless trigger and receivers work well, my current set:

  • RF602 trigger and one receiver
  • 560 iii flashgun (has a built in wireless receiver but will also fire directly from camera)
  • MR 58 macro ring flash (fires on receiver or directly from hotshoe)

All 3 of the Yongnuo items listed above had a combined cost (£120) of less than the 20M (£130), but I do want a small TTL solution for on-camera fill - hence the 20M.

I expect the 20M to work with the wireless receiver from the RF602 (I have tested it on Canon and Yongnuo flashes) so with the current set up I'll be able to have on manual both the 20 and the 560 or the ringflash and the 560, but additional receivers are £8 so I could even have all 3 going at once.

Of course with the Sony 600 you get TTL, but it costs £460 and only one light source!!

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zilver wrote:

Can't find the picture of the A7 with the 20m flash anywhere, would like to see if's it still small.

Thank you.

NicolasKL wrote:

juvx wrote:

Im sure this has been asked before but what flash do you guys use for the Sony A7 or A7r? I just bought a A7. I dont mind using a non sony brand in its standard hot shoe im just looking for the best option.

I bought a Sony 20m mainly because I don't usually need a high powered high featured flash and the small size of the A7R is one of the main selling points for me so having a flash I can fit in my shirt pocket is a big benefit. Just got it last night so I haven't used it extensively, but it seems capable for what it is, somewhere in between a built in flash and a "real" flash.

I may also pick up a F43M if I think I'll get some use out of it, but I'm mostly a landscape photographer, I just want a flash for casual candids, so I probably don't really need anything better than the 20m. Though if I do pick up a higher end flash, I can use the 20m to trigger it if I want, which is a bonus.

Seems to me that using a standard hot shoe would be missing out on some benefits (though probably gaining in other areas), but someone else can probably chime in better than I on that.

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CraigArnold wrote:

I have the 20M on order for TTL fill-flash. (Very hard to get in the UK for some reason!)

For manual flash the Yongnuo wireless trigger and receivers work well, my current set:

  • RF602 trigger and one receiver
  • 560 iii flashgun (has a built in wireless receiver but will also fire directly from camera)
  • MR 58 macro ring flash (fires on receiver or directly from hotshoe)

All 3 of the Yongnuo items listed above had a combined cost (£120) of less than the 20M (£130), but I do want a small TTL solution for on-camera fill - hence the 20M.

I expect the 20M to work with the wireless receiver from the RF602 (I have tested it on Canon and Yongnuo flashes) so with the current set up I'll be able to have on manual both the 20 and the 560 or the ringflash and the 560, but additional receivers are £8 so I could even have all 3 going at once.

Of course with the Sony 600 you get TTL, but it costs £460 and only one light source!!

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juvx wrote:

darkdirtydwarf wrote:

juvx wrote:

Im sure this has been asked before but what flash do you guys use for the Sony A7 or A7r? I just bought a A7. I dont mind using a non sony brand in its standard hot shoe im just looking for the best option.

In my opinion the best option is the HVL60FM. I have it and I'm amazed. I was already happy with the older HVL58FM, but the 60 it's even better (and comes with a diffuser too...).

I was considering that but iv heard so many bad things about it overheating after a few shots....

Don't listen to everything you hear

I did pretty intensive shootings and it NEVER overheated. It does overheat ONLY if you use it at full power repeatedly, which is never gonna happen in real life since you never need all that power for several shots in a row.

Read this post here from another dpreview user to have a better idea of what I'm talking about:

http://techandgadgets.tumblr.com/post/53109481756/does-sony-hvl-60m-overheat-part-ii

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It probably will also overheat if you're always using it for HSS. But pretty much all flashes will overheat after too much HSS use.

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It probably will also overheat if you're always using it for HSS. But pretty much all flashes will overheat after too much HSS use.

I really did put some stress on it after reading the bad comments regarding overheating before the time to give it back would run out and I never ever had a single problem.

I think the issue has been blown out of proportion, and as you say, in some conditions every flash would have limits. Frankly I'm really happy with it (as I am with the HVL58FM) and I warmly recommend it (I get perfect exposures with it and it never misses a shot - the 58 did, once in a while).

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The 43 fits well on the A7, especially if you have the vertical grip.  The 20 seems like the way to go for a first flash anyway, because to use the 43 wirelessly you need a flash on camera anyway (or a PW/cable).

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Will the HLV-F20 with adapter for multinterface shoe on A7r work as well as the newer model?

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Will the HLV-F20 with adapter for multinterface shoe on A7r work as well as the newer model?

Yes. Though I've heard of some problems with 3rd party adapters. Probably worth spending a few extra $$ for the Sony one.

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juvx wrote:

Im sure this has been asked before but what flash do you guys use for the Sony A7 or A7r? I just bought a A7. I dont mind using a non sony brand in its standard hot shoe im just looking for the best option.

At the risk of repeating others, I recommend getting both the HVL-F20M and HVL-F43M flash units. (Do get the M versions, not the older AM versions, for you'll need adapter sockets).

The 20M is very compact and can be used as a travel flash, as well as a wireless trigger for the 43M. They allow for HSS and TTL shooting.

If you want to go with non-TTL third party flash units, I recommend getting the Cowboy Studio adapter with external flash units. E.g. units like the TT560 or the YN560-II are very similar to the 43M, but are much cheaper, and can be set up in manual mode to behave more or less identical. The 43M works with the Cowboy Studio adapter too, but the 20M does not, as it lacks a manual mode.

If you use flashes in non-TTL mode, you have to dial in the settings, based on the scene. Even though some of these newer flashes have LCD screens, I find it easier to just install an app on your smartphone and derive the settings from there.

And do get the Gary Fong diffuser too. It is easy to use and it works, for when you have no ceiling to bounce of.

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Thank you.

This looks pretty big for travel.

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