It's easy to forget that a6000 also has...

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In reply to Donny out of Element here, 6 months ago

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improved gap-less on sensor microlens design!

improved color filter layer - up to 20% more light gathering!

tilting built-in flash that can be used as a wireless trigger/controller for external flashes!

magnesium alloy body - that is a bit lighter than NEX-6!

flash top plate!

clean HDMI output and zebra for video shooters and also more controls in video!

full camera control over USB for PC studio work!

7 customizable buttons and MR mode on top dial!

better high ISO performance than latest D5300 24Mp APS-C sensor!

11fps with tracking AF in RAW+JPEG with 49 frames (for JPEG) before buffer gets full!

Now I'm just thinking 11fps is 269Mb per second (more than a quarter of Gigabyte per second!) what kind of a card we need for that beast?

I want to see what a hit on usability the lower re EVF makes. I may sell my NEX-6 to get this. I like the magnesium body. Should be more durable in traveling.

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I just look at the 16-70 and 70-200. The latter, I understand, is a FE lens and designed more with the A7/r in mind than the APS-C gear. Nonetheless, I wonder if they won't build a flagship body with those lenses in mind; something maybe a bit bigger with an optional vertical grip, keeping in mind that the competition's flagship cameras are also mid-EVF models (EM1 and XT1). Then I throw in the A3000 (doesn't mean much, but shows a precedent for a new body style with E mount) and the SAR rumors saying the A6000 would replace the NEX-6 & 7 both and the fact that the A5000 replaces both the NEX-3 and NEX-5 lines and I could just easily imagine Sony deciding on 4 products like this:
A3000 = entry level, dirt cheap, DSLR shape to attract buyers w/cheap EVF
A5000 = ultra compact
A6000 = RF style
A8000 = flagship, could be DSLR style for above reasons

Not even guessing that this will be the case; just wondering.

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quezra wrote:

parallaxproblem wrote:

nandbytes wrote:

parallaxproblem wrote:

Donny out of Element here wrote:

improved gap-less on sensor microlens design!

improved color filter layer - up to 20% more light gathering!

tilting built-in flash that can be used as a wireless trigger/controller for external flashes!

magnesium alloy body - that is a bit lighter than NEX-6!

flash top plate!

clean HDMI output and zebra for video shooters and also more controls in video!

full camera control over USB for PC studio work!

7 customizable buttons and MR mode on top dial!

better high ISO performance than latest D5300 24Mp APS-C sensor!

11fps with tracking AF in RAW+JPEG with 49 frames (for JPEG) before buffer gets full!

Now I'm just thinking 11fps is 269Mb per second (more than a quarter of Gigabyte per second!) what kind of a card we need for that beast?

From what I read in other previews the construction is the same as the NEX-6, ie. magnesium top plate with the rest of the camera being plastic

Haven't read about the flash tilting, nor the gapless microlenses on the sensor

Where did you read about 7 customisable buttons? I read that it had two soft buttons (now in different locations) and that the d-button can be customised, ie. same as for current cameras, but I would like some clarifcation of this

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The sony guy from youtube video did say 7 customisable buttons.

Does that mean 2 soft buttons, 4 directions on the D-button and centre button on the D-button? Or does it mean some of the other buttons except soft and D-button can be customised?

It would be nice if there was some clarity on this

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Did you not read the DPR first look?

Normally I have you on ignore, but I thought for once I might check if you had anything helpful to say

As expected your reply offered the usual amount of helpfulness... ie. none whatsoever and throw in the usual implicit insults at the same time

I did read the DPR first look, and even commented underneath that I found the preview confusing and said:

There is one more button on the back of the body and the position and function of the buttons seems to have changed in comparison with the NEX-6, why is this not mentioned and explained?

Perhaps you would care to enlighten me as to where the (rather inconsistent if you bother reading it carefully) DPReview preview makes the situation over button customisation clear?

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Wow, defensive much?  You could have clicked on the earlier post I made which actually did state exactly which buttons are customizable, taken directly from the DPR first look page.

So let me repeat: it's a shame you didn't read the DPR first look that mentions which 7 buttons are customizable.  Having mentioned it in an earlier post (evidently not the one you un-ignored) in this very thread, I didn't mention it a second time when I saw you posting immediately after I had just said which buttons they were, hence why it's quite funny how you're flailing around asking questions that are already answered by the DPR article you've commented on (and therefore should have read).

And you trying to read "implicit insults" into a one-line question is the icing on this particular cake.

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... I still don't get the lenses I want for such an impressive (at least on paper) camera.

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Endless great manual lenses to capitalize on a great new sensor, though. With an EVF, even a perhaps less than perfect one, manual focusing should be a snap.

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Stirring the muck?

Muck needs to be stirred regularly I know the "hump" is a sensitive topic, but for reasons I spelled out in my reply to EG, I think a flagship that sits above the A6000 could be a very different camera (no prediction, just speculation).

Also please remember, there are DSLR's and there are DSLR's. 95% of them will not reach this level of performance.

Sure, and even a DSLR that has great AF with one lens can be sluggish with another. There are just a lot of claims of "fastest AF" lately that need some testing & user experiences to put into perspective. (Conversely, I bet a lot of people who haven't tried NEX or other mirrorless probably have an unfavorable impression of its AF).

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Funny, the least-advertised feature is the one I'm in love with most...
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That little footnote about how the fastest AF test was achieved, where it mentions that "pre-AF was off'...

There it is...something I've prayed for since the very first NEX...I'd almost consider buying the A600 JUST for that feature!  I have hated pre-focus since moment one, still hate it to this day...if the A6000 finally lets this be turned off, I want it for that alone.

I must say, the AF looks good for tracking at least early on...and I love the MR setting on the mode dial, plus the elimination of the NEX menus...all excellent selling points for me.

And MFNR seems to be built in?  It mentions the ISO range as 100-25600, but 51,200 with MFNR on...unless they're just letting you know of the expanded range when you download the app.

I still prefer the thinner, smaller NEX-5N body myself, but since I always shoot with the EVF on mine, I'm wondering if I could live with the larger bodystyle and built in EVF just to get at some of the improvements that to me are really really tempting.

Especially MR, return of the 4-way jog dial's custom settings, and pre-AF off!

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Mel Snyder wrote:

buellom wrote:

... I still don't get the lenses I want for such an impressive (at least on paper) camera.

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Endless great manual lenses to capitalize on a great new sensor, though. With an EVF, even a perhaps less than perfect one, manual focusing should be a snap.

Sure, if this is what you want. I'm not a fan of putting another piece of gear with production tolerances between the glass and the sensor. See e.g. http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters.

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In reply to Mel Snyder, 6 months ago

Mel Snyder wrote:

I want to see what a hit on usability the lower re EVF makes. I may sell my NEX-6 to get this. I like the magnesium body. Should be more durable in traveling.

Did you ever break a polycarbonate body?

According to some previews the a6000 body is the same by the way (metal plate + rest polycarbonate)

But it looks like a great camera. Might either sell my NEX-6 as well or just keep it ... I'd probably get 300-350 euros - for a perfectly fine camera which would make an ideal backup body.

The 2.36 MP EVF of the NEX-6 sure is really great, but try manual focus in low light. It certainly works (especially when it is way too dark for an OVF) - I use it rather often, with the only source of light being a few small LEDs or fire. But if 1.44 MP would still show more details anyway (better refresh and/or lower noise) then that would actually be an improvement...

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Endless great manual lenses to capitalize on a great new sensor, though. With an EVF, even a perhaps less than perfect one, manual focusing should be a snap.

Sure, if this is what you want. I'm not a fan of putting another piece of gear with production tolerances between the glass and the sensor. See e.g. http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters.

That isn't an example: it is the _only_ critical test of adapters.

And the result is that a slightly crooked adapter can be a problem for extreme wide angle lenses, where depth of focus is at its smallest.

I see nothing to suggest it is a problem with medium or long lenses. And some people deliberately use tilt adapters.

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+1 Justin

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parallaxproblem wrote:

Fredy Ross wrote:

inferior LCD and Viewfinder is a big minus

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EVF might not be inferior as Imaging Resource claim better experience

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-a6000/sony-a6000A.HTM

comparing the two side-by-side (NEX-6 vs A6000), the A6000's EVF is the clear winner as it produces much more accurate colors and easy to discern details

The poor DPReview preview of this camera (not sure if they actually looked through the EVF) is just confusing the matter

...as in the N7-classic, so HOW the tidbits that it was not materialized here??

Maybe, yes just maybe it has to do with the price at launch? The Nex 6 was more expensive at launch then the A6000 is. As it looks now the A6000 is better on all the parts you can look at, but the EVF.
Don't forget what you get more for your money when you compare the A6000 with the Nex 6.
Like: better sensor, better menu, MR setting, better AF, better processor, better battery life, better cideo out (cleen HDMI) etc. All these features costs some money and still the A6000 is less expensive at launch...

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49 frames! thats RIDICULOUS for a non pro camera.

For some users this may be a pro camera. Panasonic and Canon are certainly selling lots of cameras to video pros.

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parallaxproblem wrote:

Donny out of Element here wrote:

improved gap-less on sensor microlens design!

improved color filter layer - up to 20% more light gathering!

tilting built-in flash that can be used as a wireless trigger/controller for external flashes!

magnesium alloy body - that is a bit lighter than NEX-6!

flash top plate!

clean HDMI output and zebra for video shooters and also more controls in video!

full camera control over USB for PC studio work!

7 customizable buttons and MR mode on top dial!

better high ISO performance than latest D5300 24Mp APS-C sensor!

11fps with tracking AF in RAW+JPEG with 49 frames (for JPEG) before buffer gets full!

Now I'm just thinking 11fps is 269Mb per second (more than a quarter of Gigabyte per second!) what kind of a card we need for that beast?

From what I read in other previews the construction is the same as the NEX-6, ie. magnesium top plate with the rest of the camera being plastic

Haven't read about the flash tilting, nor the gapless microlenses on the sensor

Where did you read about 7 customisable buttons? I read that it had two soft buttons (now in different locations) and that the d-button can be customised, ie. same as for current cameras, but I would like some clarifcation of this

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The NEX-6 body is all plastic, incl. the top plate. The A6000 definitely has the mag alloy top plate, and in the Sony video he mentioned the materials was like the NEX-7, that mean top plate and lower body  plate in metal...

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It's probably not that important for RAW shooters, but for jpeg shooters, it also has an option to switch NR off.

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Mel Snyder wrote:

I want to see what a hit on usability the lower re EVF makes. I may sell my NEX-6 to get this. I like the magnesium body. Should be more durable in traveling.

Did you ever break a polycarbonate body?

According to some previews the a6000 body is the same by the way (metal plate + rest polycarbonate)

But it looks like a great camera. Might either sell my NEX-6 as well or just keep it ... I'd probably get 300-350 euros - for a perfectly fine camera which would make an ideal backup body.

The 2.36 MP EVF of the NEX-6 sure is really great, but try manual focus in low light. It certainly works (especially when it is way too dark for an OVF) - I use it rather often, with the only source of light being a few small LEDs or fire. But if 1.44 MP would still show more details anyway (better refresh and/or lower noise) then that would actually be an improvement...

Well, it's OLED, an improvement. But why so small?

Now Polycarbonate is very strong, but traditionally a bit heavier. What I find worrisome is the introduction of thin cheaper plastic construction like on the A5000.

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next version 36 fps
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But maybe 2 will be in focus

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And with the new menu system, bracketing and remote should be able to be used together!

I hate you, now I might have to get it... Anyone looking for a slightly used NEX 6?

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jpr2 wrote:

parallaxproblem wrote:

Fredy Ross wrote:

inferior LCD and Viewfinder is a big minus

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EVF might not be inferior as Imaging Resource claim better experience

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-a6000/sony-a6000A.HTM

comparing the two side-by-side (NEX-6 vs A6000), the A6000's EVF is the clear winner as it produces much more accurate colors and easy to discern details

The poor DPReview preview of this camera (not sure if they actually looked through the EVF) is just confusing the matter

...as in the N7-classic, so HOW the tidbits that it was not materialized here??

jpr2

AFAIK the "OLED" vievfinder used in NEX 7 and 6 was an LCD with (white) OLED backlight behind it. Therefore it was still light through (slow moving) liquid crystals. I don't know about the EVF used in the A7/R and the new one... If they are 'real' OLED displays with RGB OLED pixels and without slowish LCD.

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dont forget that the screen also has WhiteMagic technology
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according to the specs on B&H site:

"Additionally, WhiteMagic technology works to increase the overall brightness of the screen to better support use in bright or sunlit conditions"

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Does it have an electronic first curtain shutter? (nt)
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