Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

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bobvarakrit Forum Member • Posts: 59
Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

Ok guys, need your inputs here.  Currently I have Fuji XE1 with 35mm, 18-55 and 55-200mm.  I am looking to invest into the system by buying more lens in the future.  I am like a lot of you guys who move from 5DMK2 because they are so heavy.  Pictures I like to take are my 1.5 years old baby, landscape, portraits, animals, little bit of street, and well, pretty much of everything.  I plan to print my favorite pictures and out them up at my home.  The biggest will most likely be around 20x30.
The biggest gripe I have with XE1 is of course auto focus speed, shutter lag, and also evf.  I must admit, though, that I have not read the manual.  And i have not really used XE1 to its maximum capability.  I'm sure that I would be able to miss less captured moments if i learn how to use it more.  However, i might be going to japan for vacation at the end of this month.  And I dont really want to miss a thing when I go there.  japan is a very beautiful country and I want to be ready, gear wise at least.
Problem is i dont want to carry my 5d with 16-35, 50mm, 100 macro, and what not.  I did that last time but i dont want to do it this time.  So my dilemma is should I buy XT1?  Do you think it would be an upgrade?  I havent have much time with XE2 when they come out so i dont really know how much of an improvement it is over XE1.  Can those of you who made an upgrade from XE1 to XE2 or XT1 (have played around with) chime in your finding on this topic please?

In Thailand we cant really buy and return product.  The most we can do is play around in the store, which i cant really tell if it's working better or not in real life situation.

thank you for your comments and feedbacks.

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uniball Senior Member • Posts: 1,538
Re: Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

bobvarakrit wrote:

Ok guys, need your inputs here. Currently I have Fuji XE1 with 35mm, 18-55 and 55-200mm. I am looking to invest into the system by buying more lens in the future. I am like a lot of you guys who move from 5DMK2 because they are so heavy. Pictures I like to take are my 1.5 years old baby, landscape, portraits, animals, little bit of street, and well, pretty much of everything. I plan to print my favorite pictures and out them up at my home. The biggest will most likely be around 20x30.
The biggest gripe I have with XE1 is of course auto focus speed, shutter lag, and also evf. I must admit, though, that I have not read the manual. And i have not really used XE1 to its maximum capability. I'm sure that I would be able to miss less captured moments if i learn how to use it more. However, i might be going to japan for vacation at the end of this month. And I dont really want to miss a thing when I go there. japan is a very beautiful country and I want to be ready, gear wise at least.
Problem is i dont want to carry my 5d with 16-35, 50mm, 100 macro, and what not. I did that last time but i dont want to do it this time. So my dilemma is should I buy XT1? Do you think it would be an upgrade? I havent have much time with XE2 when they come out so i dont really know how much of an improvement it is over XE1. Can those of you who made an upgrade from XE1 to XE2 or XT1 (have played around with) chime in your finding on this topic please?

In Thailand we cant really buy and return product. The most we can do is play around in the store, which i cant really tell if it's working better or not in real life situation.

thank you for your comments and feedbacks.

I also have an xe1 and have an xt1 on preorder.  Obviously few, if any, of us have seen the camera let alone handle/use it.

As far as IQ, we're not talking about anything different than what we already have.  I have no doubt the pixel peepers will unite and crucify this comment but IQ will be the same.  The issue is, does the xe1 prevent you from achieving this IQ?  Have your issues with AF, shutter lag and the evf limited your current photographic skills?  If not, its not like Fuji will stop introducing new bodies and you can always jump in when that day comes.

I have no issues with the AF speed or evf lag. Neither detracts from my ability to capture an image.  I have serious quibbles with the control set.  Quibbles that cause me to not bother optimizing the camera for certain shots as I don't care to deal with it.  Not a fault of the camera but my willingness to deal with it.  As an eyeglass wearer, a person who enjoys shooting at night and lives in very high contrast sunny South Florida, the evf on the xe1 is borderline useless for me.  I came from decades of shooting good dslr's (my last a D800) and the evf has always struck me as something one would find on a p&s.

The xt1's evf and what I see as a much improved, for me, control set, were the reasons for my upgrading.

Another consideration was the sensor.  The 16mp Sony/Fuji sensor, for my night shooting, reigns supreme.  I've been at 36 and 24 mp counts and they don't sway me.  So, before Fuji mucks around with the sensor, I thought I might lock into one I like.

Perhaps this entire discussion is irrelevant?  Can you obtain an xt1 this month?

AlbertInFrance
AlbertInFrance Senior Member • Posts: 5,215
Re: Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

It sounds like you need to spend a bit of time getting to know your existing camera. Also, have you updated the firmware to the latest version?

The X-T1 is not due to be available this month, as far as I am aware. Here in France Fuji say it will be available in March and even if you got your hands on one just before your holiday you would still need to get familiar with it.

I'd say practise with your existing camera. Read the instructions and maybe get hold of Rico Pfirstinger's book about it.

The X-T1 sounds like a very nice camera -- I want one --  but it will not give you any better image quality than any of the other X-cams.

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EricWN Senior Member • Posts: 1,873
Re: Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

Without knowing your current tool well enough you want to go on a vacation with an even more unfamiliar camera that you probably have not even tested out yourself in a shop yet? I don't think that's a clever thing to do. Go out and shoot your existing gear, and once you are more familiar with it you'll be able to better judge what or if you need a new camera. Especially since it will essentially have the same image quality.

darngooddesign Senior Member • Posts: 4,551
Re: Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/fujifilm-x-e2

If the autofocus speed and EVF refresh bother you the XE2 will be noticeably better. The XT1 will be even better, and a lot more expensive, but it won't be available for your trip this month. Your current selection of lenses is good enough.

Your XE1 is capable of capturing very good photos, but if you aren't getting them you need to practice because not even the XT1 will improve your photography right out of the box. While the XE2 won't magically fix your photos, not being frustrated but the AF and EVF speeds will make you enjoy your camera more which means you will use it more.

Try reading some books like "Mastering the X-E1 and X-Pro", and practice taking the kinds of photos you will be taking in Japan.

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bobvarakrit OP Forum Member • Posts: 59
Re: Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

Thank you for all the replies.

1 yes, i plan to do a lot of practice and learn to know more about my current camera. This way, it ll benefit me whether i make a jump to xt1 or not. Thanks for recommending a book to read for it. Just hope i can get it in thailand.

2 yes, i ll be able to get a hold before my vacation, or at least buy it in Japan. It is supposedly available mid feb here in thailand and 15 feb in Japan. I ll be going on vacation in end of Feb.

3 im not talking about the iq at all as i am very happy with it. What frustrated me is the af speed in low light or when i try to take moving subjects. The evf and shutter lag also frustrate me a bit. I just want to know if i would enjoy using the camera more if i make a jump. This based on the fact that i learn how to use both of the camera really well.

Im wondering if it would be worth it and would be less frustrating in some situations.

ryan2007 Forum Pro • Posts: 12,001
Re: Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

The upgrade from the XE-1 to the XT-1 is logical. Since you have no return policy where you live, I advise you wait to one actual consumer gets the product in hand and that is at least a month away from now.

Then you will get more user feedback that I think will be helpful.

madeinxyz
madeinxyz Forum Member • Posts: 66
Facing same decision!

I am currently facing the decision making process.

I currently own a X-E1 and a couple lenses.

I decided to stick to my X-E1 as I am too still in the progress of getting to know this camera.

Even after a year, this camera delivers stunning results and it would be a shame to just upgrade to a newer one (if I did I wouldn't think of selling this camera. I would continue to use it as a backup).

Since Fuji is developing and providing lenses that fit all the X system cameras, I suggest, that you continue using your X-E1, invest in more lenses (like the incredible 58mm 1.2) and upgrade to a newer body sometime later.

Another thing is: I am kind of curious as to what FUJI might deliver on the X-Pro 2 front in the future.

bobvarakrit OP Forum Member • Posts: 59
Re: Facing same decision!

WakingMaverick wrote:

I am currently facing the decision making process.

I currently own a X-E1 and a couple lenses.

I decided to stick to my X-E1 as I am too still in the progress of getting to know this camera.

Even after a year, this camera delivers stunning results and it would be a shame to just upgrade to a newer one (if I did I wouldn't think of selling this camera. I would continue to use it as a backup).

Since Fuji is developing and providing lenses that fit all the X system cameras, I suggest, that you continue using your X-E1, invest in more lenses (like the incredible 58mm 1.2) and upgrade to a newer body sometime later.

Another thing is: I am kind of curious as to what FUJI might deliver on the X-Pro 2 front in the future.

Yes, i mean i am getting a lot of keepers from XE1.  IQ is not a reason for me to upgrade.  I just find that taking a picture of my 1.5 years old baby is kind of hard and i dont really want to miss any shot while taking his pictures.
The other dilemma is that i'm going to Japan, and i know it is a country where you can get a lot of nice pictures.  I just want myself to be ready for it, both personal and gear wise.  
If i decideto stick with XE1 for japan trip, i will probably wait until xpro2 come out and see if the af speed will be even faster.  Right now i'm just stuck on what to bring to Japan.

57LowRider Senior Member • Posts: 3,744
Re: Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

I'm not upgrading so much as buying an X-T1 body as well; I don't feel I need anything better than my X-E1, just indulging myself in another beautiful piece of kit while I can afford to. If I could only afford the XF 56, I'd be buying the lens rather than a new body.

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bowportes Senior Member • Posts: 2,603
Re: Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

57LowRider wrote:

I'm not upgrading so much as buying an X-T1 body as well; I don't feel I need anything better than my X-E1, just indulging myself in another beautiful piece of kit while I can afford to. If I could only afford the XF 56, I'd be buying the lens rather than a new body.

I love this kind of honesty.

well done!

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flbrit Veteran Member • Posts: 3,645
Re: Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

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The biggest gripe I have with XE1 is of course auto focus speed, shutter lag, and also evf

The X-E2 imo is better in these respects than the X-E1. I know because I upgraded from the X-E1. I find for my use, the E2 was worth it. The IQ is the same except that I shoot RAW and have a tiny bit more headroom from the 14 bit files. Also the write to card time is improved over the E1. The E1 is not a bad camera, the E2 is better in some respects.

The XT-1 will be as good and in some respects better than the E2.

Brian

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khunfred Regular Member • Posts: 283
Re: Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

Sawadee khrap,

The question is: what is your issue with the XE-1, and secondly will the Xt-1 remedy this issue? If your only issue is slow AF, I think it's better waiting deep review of the Xt-1.

Sal Baker Veteran Member • Posts: 9,343
Re: Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

khunfred wrote:

Sawadee khrap,

The question is: what is your issue with the XE-1, and secondly will the Xt-1 remedy this issue? If your only issue is slow AF, I think it's better waiting deep review of the Xt-1.

Try the AF (normal one-shot mode) on an XE-2 to get an idea on X-T1 AF speed.  The AF, shutter lag and intermediate shot timings are exactly the same between the X-E2 and the X-T1.  Where the XT-1 excels is with AF tracking between high speed bursts.  If you need 8fps AF tracking, the X-T1 should be great.

Sal

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bobvarakrit OP Forum Member • Posts: 59
Re: Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

khunfred wrote:

Sawadee khrap,

The question is: what is your issue with the XE-1, and secondly will the Xt-1 remedy this issue? If your only issue is slow AF, I think it's better waiting deep review of the Xt-1.

Try the AF (normal one-shot mode) on an XE-2 to get an idea on X-T1 AF speed.  The AF, shutter lag and intermediate shot timings are exactly the same between the X-E2 and the X-T1.  Where the XT-1 excels is with AF tracking between high speed bursts.  If you need 8fps AF tracking, the X-T1 should be great.

Sal

Ok. Will give it a try with xe2 first. I think last time i tried shooting people walking pass by in the shopping mall, i wasnt really hapoy with it since the xe2 still wasnt snappy like my dslr. Ll try again and see how it comes out. If i still find it lackin in this regard, i ll just buy new lens instead. thank u for your inputs.

AlbertInFrance
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bobvarakrit wrote:

Ok. Will give it a try with xe2 first. I think last time i tried shooting people walking pass by in the shopping mall, i wasnt really hapoy with it since the xe2 still wasnt snappy like my dslr. Ll try again and see how it comes out. If i still find it lackin in this regard, i ll just buy new lens instead. thank u for your inputs.

Something that catches a lot of people is that the Fujis operate differently from many DSLRs. If you half press the shutter you freeze the AF, so the best way to shoot is to push the shutter straight down -- it's known as 'shutter mash'. The camera focuses and fires as fast as it can, which is usually quick enough, if not as instant as a good DSLR.

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Astrophotographer 10 Senior Member • Posts: 6,570
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I think a lot of these answers haven't really addressed your concern. Answers like its the photographer not the equipment are really half truths.

You should definitely get the XT1 after reading your concerns. The XT1 addresses each of your concerns directly. Faster tracking AF for kid shots (XE2 XE1 X100s are hopeless for that, its not a matter of faster AF of XE2 its a matter of tracking which they simply don't do). I have not had an XE2 but did have an X100s which is the same minus ability to change lenses.

I tried to photograph my grandson on a swing going back and forth - do you think its fastest AF in the world could do it? Hell no. Its was a joke.

The only way was to predict a spot and focus for that spot and wait for him to swing into it. That worked after a few goes.

I had D800e and XE1 and went on a dream vacation so I thought hard about which camera to take.

In the end I got a slimline security shoulder bag and took XE1 and X100s. X100s battery charger stopped working after 1 day which is a shame as I was getting some nice shots with the X100s.

The XE1 worked wonderfully.I use shutter priority mode and shot high speed like 1/500 to 1/1000th outdoors, F5.6 (most Fuji lenses peak in performance at F5.6) 1/250 or 1/320 F2.8 indoors and auto ISO to be the balancing thing.

Check the stupid exposure comp dial every time you pull the camera out of the bag because it caught me several times where it would spin off 0 in the bag and then be at -2 or something and I would wonder why my shots were suddenly looking underexposed.

I used the 18-5 F2.8 lens for 95% of my shots. I also shot a lot of panorama shots with the zoom set to 23mm and sweep it in portrait mode then check the image in the EVF and magnify view carefully for stitching errors before I walked away.

When reviewing the images later I was very very happy with how stunningly sharp, colourful and engaging 90 of the images were. For holidays you usually are imaging static scenes so tracking AF isn't needed. That's for kids and action shots, sports etc.

But from what you said XT1 does all the above and better (one precaution would be the ISO3200 and above skin tones in jpeg if they are smeared and plastic like with XE2 or has that been corrected, its not a problem with XE1).

I was thinking of selling my XE1 and upgrading to XT1. But I decided to keep XE1 (resale value is too low and its too good) and get an XT1 as well.

XT1 and 56 1.2 lens is most likely the stunning combo for portraits, kids etc.

Greg.

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Joel Stern
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Re: Should I upgrade to XT1 from XE1?

My thoughts before reading other replies.

fuji will launch a camera with an organic sensor, you're investment in a new body will fall, fast if they do this soon, like on a new XP2, but who knows.  I would buy glass.

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Astrophotographer 10 Senior Member • Posts: 6,570
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Probably sound advice but hard to follow.

I agree the XT1 is likely the high point of the 16.3mp sensor and we are probably not likely to see anymore versions of it being used.

An XT1 body I suppose could take the next gen type sensor if its still APSc. It may need a processor upgrade though to keep all that stuff working fast with a higher MP sensor. So that would mean most likely a year and a half or so.

XPro 2 is the next likely model and it has the potential to be superb. But who knows when it will arrive. Rumours are rumours and are likely to extend in time rather than be sooner.

Apart from technical issues it would simply rob sales from XE2 and XT1. XT1 as it is will likely rob a lot of potential XE2 sales. They are close in price and XT1 seems to be more warmly received than XE2.

Greg.

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khunfred Regular Member • Posts: 283
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bobvarakrit wrote

Ok. Will give it a try with xe2 first. I think last time i tried shooting people walking pass by in the shopping mall, i wasnt really hapoy with it since the xe2 still wasnt snappy like my dslr. Ll try again and see how it comes out. If i still find it lackin in this regard, i ll just buy new lens instead. thank u for your inputs.

From my point of view, AF fuji will always be slower than your DSLR. And when you are getting used to it, when you shoot with Fuji X, it's a downgrade: then you have to change your approach and technic for shooting with Fuji X: "secure" your depth of field (f4 rather than f1,4), anticipate, and so on...with fast AF, you don't need to "think" about your focus, and you can concentrate on composing, for example. But I saw this morning photographies of a polo tournament made with XE-2/18-55: the photographer looks having no problem on field, but it's very good conditions, and deep dof:

http://www.lovetheimage.co.uk/x-factor-with-altitude/

I really think it depends on your kind of photography: sunlight/lowlight, fast subject/slow subject... I think it can become annoying with lowlight/fast subject. This is why I prefer waiting for indepth review and precise timings of Af speed.

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