same shot with 10/3.5 and 12-24

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same shot with 10/3.5 and 12-24
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This is a small local cathedral, shot from roughly the same point with 10/3.5 and 12-24@12mm. What do you think?

10mm/3.5 + Fisheye Hemi correction to straighten vertical lines

12-24@12mm

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Thank you for the comparison, very interesting to see...

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the first shot will be more impressive than the second one ... perhaps,u did cropped the second pic,rite

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the first shot will be more impressive than the second one ... perhaps,u did cropped the second pic,rite

The second pic is uncropped, but I did crop the first one a bit. Although, now that I think, I did go very slightly backwards on the fishey pic (but the difference in field of view is just about as massive as the images show).

When I shot the 12-24 pic, I was as far back as I could be and not have the arch overshadow the church. When I shot the fisheye pic from the same spot, I could easily fit the whole church into the frame. I backed down a bit, so that I could fit the arch into the picture.

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The first one is definitely more interesting.

Not only beacuse of the composition, but also beacuse the light (the colour of the sky is much more pleasant).

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what a difference 2mm makes!
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("that's what she said" joke?

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The first one is great !

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The first is VERY impressive. I've decided to get that lens, even if I don't believe nx will be my system in the long run. But, for now, it is and the pancake fisheye is rather unique.

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Hehe, in this case 2mm is a lot more than 2mm since it is a fisheye lens.

The difference between a 10mm fisheye and 12mm rectilinear are a diagonal FOV of about 180 degrees vs 100 degrees.

It is also worth pointing out that the 12-24mm has mandated lens corrections in Lightroom.  If you use a program like DCRaw you can get non corrected version.  This correction doesn't do a lot, but you do lose 1 or 2 mm, so it looks maybe more like 14mm (the Fuji 14mm looks more like 16mm).

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The first shot is more appealing

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The first shot is more appealing

I have both lenses and the 12mm gets my vote as a sharper and better corrected lens. The fisheye effect of the 10mm has a limited use once the novelty wears off and the rectilinear 12mm is a more 'useful' lens IMHO.

Can you post the original uncropped images from both lenses?

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Arn wrote:

This is a small local cathedral, shot from roughly the same point with 10/3.5 and 12-24@12mm. What do you think?

10mm/3.5 + Fisheye Hemi correction to straighten vertical lines

12-24@12mm

If I was there looking up, #2 is probably what I would see.

#1 tells the whole story. For that reason I like #1.

That's image wise.

Glass wise I'd take both lenses.

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Hi Arn,

Looks like the fisheye can deliver similar resolution to the ultra-wide. Right?

I am amazed by it.

With the Hemi software, I think it can really replace the 12-24. What do you thnik?

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Faith Yeung wrote:

Hi Arn,

Looks like the fisheye can deliver similar resolution to the ultra-wide. Right?

I am amazed by it.

With the Hemi software, I think it can really replace the 12-24. What do you thnik?

Nope! Not nearly as sharp and not as well corrected.

Fisheyes are all very well but the novelty soon wears off and the goldfish bowl effect is extremely limited for regular imaging...it's a bit like buying a starburst filter: you use it for every highlighted image and then get bored with it.

Flattening out a fisheye field of view has serious implications for quality. I have a GoPro with a 2.5mm lens. The software can provide a flat 16:9 image but the resulting distortions in horizontal and verticals rule out quality imaging. Far better to use a 'regular lens' in the first place than squash the fisheye flat.

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Hi Arn,

Looks like the fisheye can deliver similar resolution to the ultra-wide. Right?

Yes. The 10/3.5 is sharp. It is pretty much as sharp as the 12-24. Direct comparison between lenses is very hard, because field of view is so much wider with the fish. Everything looks smaller with the fish.

I am amazed by it.

With the Hemi software, I think it can really replace the 12-24. What do you thnik?

In short: probably not. But it depends. The fisheye will always bend horizontal lines, even after FisheyeHemi correction. But it's mostly because of the ultra-wide nature of the fisheye, that it's not suitable for substituting a wide angle lens. It's often too wide! You will get too much stuff into the framing and objects may appear to be too far or too small. The fisheye is my go-to lens often for interiors and tight spaces. For spacy outdoor shots, the 12-24 is often more suitable. But these are always personal things. It's best to try it out for yourself, if possible and then decide which one is more for you. Best of all - get both I've had many successful outdoor shots with the fisheye too, as you may see in my galleries.

One good thing about the 10/3.5 is that you can always take it with you, because it's so small! You don't have to think if it'll fit in your bag or if it will weigh too much, because it will fit and it won't weigh you down

See my fisheye review thread for more information.

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Faith Yeung wrote:

Hi Arn,

Looks like the fisheye can deliver similar resolution to the ultra-wide. Right?

I am amazed by it.

With the Hemi software, I think it can really replace the 12-24. What do you thnik?

Nope! Not nearly as sharp and not as well corrected.

It is sharp and it's not supposed to be corrected at all in the way that rectilinear wide-angle lenses are.

Fisheyes are all very well but the novelty soon wears off and the goldfish bowl effect is extremely limited for regular imaging...it's a bit like buying a starburst filter: you use it for every highlighted image and then get bored with it.

I completely disagree. If you can't find more use for a fisheye than a starburst filter, you just don't know how to use it.

Flattening out a fisheye field of view has serious implications for quality. I have a GoPro with a 2.5mm lens. The software can provide a flat 16:9 image but the resulting distortions in horizontal and verticals rule out quality imaging. Far better to use a 'regular lens' in the first place than squash the fisheye flat.

If you turn a 180 degree view into rectilinear form, it will absolutely produce horrible distortion. It's not supposed to be corrected. It has a different function.

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Jaberwok wrote:

Faith Yeung wrote:

Hi Arn,

Looks like the fisheye can deliver similar resolution to the ultra-wide. Right?

I am amazed by it.

With the Hemi software, I think it can really replace the 12-24. What do you thnik?

Nope! Not nearly as sharp and not as well corrected.

It is sharp and it's not supposed to be corrected at all in the way that rectilinear wide-angle lenses are.

Exactly. So you agree a 10mm fisheye can't match a 24mm corrected wide angle?

Fisheyes are all very well but the novelty soon wears off and the goldfish bowl effect is extremely limited for regular imaging...it's a bit like buying a starburst filter: you use it for every highlighted image and then get bored with it.

I completely disagree. If you can't find more use for a fisheye than a starburst filter, you just don't know how to use it.

Flattening out a fisheye field of view has serious implications for quality. I have a GoPro with a 2.5mm lens. The software can provide a flat 16:9 image but the resulting distortions in horizontal and verticals rule out quality imaging. Far better to use a 'regular lens' in the first place than squash the fisheye flat.

If you turn a 180 degree view into rectilinear form, it will absolutely produce horrible distortion. It's not supposed to be corrected. It has a different function.

The op was asking to do a straight comparison between a fisheye and a flat field lens. Then asked if correction software would replace said lens. You agree in your last that it can't.

I'm glad you agree with me. It makes my day go so much better...

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Jaberwok wrote:

Can you post the original uncropped images from both lenses?

The 12-24 is uncropped. Here is the uncropped fisheye shot

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12-24mm with fish-eye adapter or fish-eye effect processing is better my opinion.

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I read a lot about fisheye, but never experienced it. I'm very interested in this issue. For a landscape, if you keep the line of horizon in the middle, does it remain rectilinear?

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