F31fd: Is this still the magical camera? Locked

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Re: Examples - DPR's own full size samples
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Kim Letkeman wrote:

Don't remember saying that it couldn't shoot ... I posted many an image from the F11 and was very pleased with it up to 1600 ... in 2005.

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No but you did say words to the effect that the lens was poor and riddled with CA -

That fact has been in evidence forever ...

it doesn't appear to be the case in these shots, which are of high quality from a small sensored camera, by anyones standards.

If you judge a camera by two samples then we have very little to discuss.

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Re: Nothing wrong with the F31fd
In reply to Kim Letkeman, 10 months ago

Kim Letkeman wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

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DS21 wrote:

That's why he is mistaken, the watercolor effect at ISO 1600 was the thing of F30, F31 does not have that effect. But, he will reply again, his has to be the last, he is the supreme authority on this forum after all.

I figured, and he's completely wrong about the F31fd, it's IQ still stands up today but then I'm obviously assuming that the user would know what he's doing and has actually owned the camera.

OMG, you are right! Only by paying for a camera can one truly come to know its abilities.

Photography has ceased to be mysterious or complex as it is now known that the mere application of cash renders it entirely transparent.

You have performed a great service for the forum and DPReview in general.

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What is obvious is that it's a bit silly to dismiss a camera you've neither owned nor used

That's not even close to original, so the smiley just underscores how little thought you put into that comment.

I still own the F10 and I used the F11 for many years. The newer cameras changed the processing, but not the sensor, so I had no problems replicating their results with the F11. The difference was that the F11 did not bruise the pixels so much.

Sure, I remember all the reviews stressing that point all the time.

In the end, though, the people who invoke the "you are not an owner" argument always lose by default. It boggles the mind how lazy that argument is.

Not really, as an owner I'll have a far better idea of what the camera can do than someone who has never used one, but if you think I'm wrong I look forward to your forthcoming "Not used Reviews" site, let me know how that works out for you.

And your characterization of my comments as "dismissing" the F31fd are also some of the laziest I have seen in a while. I did nothing of the sort. I said that it was a great camera in its time and that it was way behind the state of the art today. All true.

You said it was a museum piece, and while it may not be "state of the art" these days the image samples I posted still give it better IQ than plenty point and shoots released to this day, so that comment was nonsense. As a cheap pocketable P&S it's still a great little camera.

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Re: Examples - DPR's own full size samples
In reply to Kim Letkeman, 10 months ago

Kim Letkeman wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

Don't remember saying that it couldn't shoot ... I posted many an image from the F11 and was very pleased with it up to 1600 ... in 2005.

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No but you did say words to the effect that the lens was poor and riddled with CA -

That fact has been in evidence forever ...

Apparently not by these images.

it doesn't appear to be the case in these shots, which are of high quality from a small sensored camera, by anyones standards.

If you judge a camera by two samples then we have very little to discuss.

Well one of them had the nightmare CA scenario, backlit foliage, yet where was the CA?, can you get CA with the F31fd? sure, I can get CA with my EF 24-105mm L, it's not a problem with either.

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ISO 1600 SOOC JPG (8 Years ago)
In reply to VPic, 10 months ago

This is my favorite shot I took of my friend's twin girls using my F31 which is still in mint condition.

I remember I posted it at the time to show the cam's capabilities and invited people to 'play' with it for improvements. I got a lot of great responses and edits but this is the very original unedited sooc image.

My cam at hand is now the Nikon P7100 but the F31 is still on standby for when I need a small capable unobtrusive cam carried in my pocket... 

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Re: Nothing wrong with the F31fd
In reply to papillon_65, 10 months ago

papillon_65 wrote:

You said it was a museum piece, and while it may not be "state of the art" these days the image samples I posted still give it better IQ than plenty point and shoots released to this day, so that comment was nonsense. As a cheap pocketable P&S it's still a great little camera.

I said it was well behind the state of the art. It uses cards that you can only buy in a pawn shop. That makes it a museum piece.

We will have to agree to disagree. Enjoy your museum piece.

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Re: Examples - DPR's own full size samples
In reply to papillon_65, 10 months ago

papillon_65 wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

Don't remember saying that it couldn't shoot ... I posted many an image from the F11 and was very pleased with it up to 1600 ... in 2005.

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No but you did say words to the effect that the lens was poor and riddled with CA -

That fact has been in evidence forever ...

Apparently not by these images.

it doesn't appear to be the case in these shots, which are of high quality from a small sensored camera, by anyones standards.

If you judge a camera by two samples then we have very little to discuss.

Well one of them had the nightmare CA scenario, backlit foliage, yet where was the CA?, can you get CA with the F31fd? sure, I can get CA with my EF 24-105mm L, it's not a problem with either.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf31fd/5

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Re: F31fd: Is this still the magical camera?
In reply to walter marshall, 10 months ago

walter marshall wrote:

I regret selling mine, the guy I sold it to years ago still uses it.

Is your regret based on the fact that he got too much use out of it, or the fact that you would rather still be shooting that cam instead of whatever you shoot today?

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Re: ISO 1600 SOOC JPG (8 Years ago)
In reply to Sunshine_boy, 10 months ago

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This is my favorite shot I took of my friend's twin girls using my F31 which is still in mint condition.

I remember I posted it at the time to show the cam's capabilities and invited people to 'play' with it for improvements. I got a lot of great responses and edits but this is the very original unedited sooc image.

I remember it well ... I did a bunch of versions back then ... here is one a did a moment ago in LR5 ...

My cam at hand is now the Nikon P7100 but the F31 is still on standby for when I need a small capable unobtrusive cam carried in my pocket...

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Re: ISO 1600 SOOC JPG (8 Years ago)
In reply to Kim Letkeman, 10 months ago

Kim Letkeman wrote:

Sunshine_boy wrote:

This is my favorite shot I took of my friend's twin girls using my F31 which is still in mint condition.

I remember I posted it at the time to show the cam's capabilities and invited people to 'play' with it for improvements. I got a lot of great responses and edits but this is the very original unedited sooc image.

I remember it well ... I did a bunch of versions back then ... here is one a did a moment ago in LR5 ...

My cam at hand is now the Nikon P7100 but the F31 is still on standby for when I need a small capable unobtrusive cam carried in my pocket...

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Sunshine
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You remember well Kim!.. Your version (then) was one of the 2 they picked to print... Good old days... Best regards

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Re: Nothing wrong with the F31fd
In reply to Kim Letkeman, 10 months ago

Kim Letkeman wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

You said it was a museum piece, and while it may not be "state of the art" these days the image samples I posted still give it better IQ than plenty point and shoots released to this day, so that comment was nonsense. As a cheap pocketable P&S it's still a great little camera.

I said it was well behind the state of the art. It uses cards that you can only buy in a pawn shop. That makes it a museum piece.

We will have to agree to disagree. Enjoy your museum piece.

Amazon, B&H and Adorama all sell new xD cards. Used too, to avoid traveling to a pawn shop to get "pre-owned" xD cards. Maybe calling those cameras 'museum pieces" will be appropriate in 10 or 20 years but until then, it's just unnecessarily trash talking of older but still decent cameras.

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Re: Nothing wrong with the F31fd
In reply to photoreddi, 10 months ago

Still use my F31fd for work and still love it.   I still shot with my even older Olympus C8080 once in a while for work.  It takes better pics then my F31 in some cases.  These cameras are still functional and useful.  Can still walk into my B&M and pic up xD cards.  The museum piece is the tool behind the camera, improving this tool have always produce the best photographic improvement over the decades.

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Re: Nothing wrong with the F31fd
In reply to photoreddi, 10 months ago

Very nice edit Kim, and it reminded me that white balance was sometimes off with my F30 too. XD cards were a joke, very expensive, nothing past 2GB and the slowest things on the planet for copying or deleting in camera, and I really liked my F30.

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Re: ISO 1600 SOOC JPG (8 Years ago)
In reply to Kim Letkeman, 10 months ago

Kim Letkeman wrote:

Sunshine_boy wrote:

This is my favorite shot I took of my friend's twin girls using my F31 which is still in mint condition.

I remember I posted it at the time to show the cam's capabilities and invited people to 'play' with it for improvements. I got a lot of great responses and edits but this is the very original unedited sooc image.

I remember it well ... I did a bunch of versions back then ... here is one a did a moment ago in LR5 ...

My cam at hand is now the Nikon P7100 but the F31 is still on standby for when I need a small capable unobtrusive cam carried in my pocket...

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Amazing result at iso 1600 for f31fd. Not sure that can get same with my f31fd and couldn't resist to pp a little

Cheers ivand.

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Re: ISO 1600 SOOC JPG (8 Years ago)
In reply to ivand, 10 months ago

ivand wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

Sunshine_boy wrote:

This is my favorite shot I took of my friend's twin girls using my F31 which is still in mint condition.

I remember I posted it at the time to show the cam's capabilities and invited people to 'play' with it for improvements. I got a lot of great responses and edits but this is the very original unedited sooc image.

I remember it well ... I did a bunch of versions back then ... here is one a did a moment ago in LR5 ...

My cam at hand is now the Nikon P7100 but the F31 is still on standby for when I need a small capable unobtrusive cam carried in my pocket...

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Sunshine
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Amazing result at iso 1600 for f31fd. Not sure that can get same with my f31fd and couldn't resist to pp a little

Cheers ivand.

Thanks Ivand Lovely edit. I've just added it to the old folder which now numbers 50 different edits of all sorts!... And 'yes', the F31 was a great piece of engineering that required minimal battery power to deliver image quality that was unheard of (then) for the size of its sensor.  It was a pleasure to use and a relief from the crap that its contemporary cameras used to deliver. Unfortunately Fuji started going downhill since that time. They could have established themselves as 'the compact kings' but they chose otherwise. The amazing thing was that the F31 was used as the yardstick to evaluate the image quality of subsequent models until not so long ago and I doubt if they hit the 100% mark with any of their consumer models in the 8 years that followed the F31. I gave up on Fuji but my F31 continues to be a camera I cherish and will never sell... 

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Re: Nothing wrong with the F31fd
In reply to Kim Letkeman, 10 months ago

Kim Letkeman wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

You said it was a museum piece, and while it may not be "state of the art" these days the image samples I posted still give it better IQ than plenty point and shoots released to this day, so that comment was nonsense. As a cheap pocketable P&S it's still a great little camera.

I said it was well behind the state of the art. It uses cards that you can only buy in a pawn shop. That makes it a museum piece.

XD cards are very easy to find and cheap, so that statement would be great if it was even remotely true.

We will have to agree to disagree. Enjoy your museum piece.

If you can't get great images out of an F31fd it's not the camera that's the problem.

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Re: Examples - DPR's own full size samples
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Kim Letkeman wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

Don't remember saying that it couldn't shoot ... I posted many an image from the F11 and was very pleased with it up to 1600 ... in 2005.

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No but you did say words to the effect that the lens was poor and riddled with CA -

That fact has been in evidence forever ...

Apparently not by these images.

it doesn't appear to be the case in these shots, which are of high quality from a small sensored camera, by anyones standards.

If you judge a camera by two samples then we have very little to discuss.

Well one of them had the nightmare CA scenario, backlit foliage, yet where was the CA?, can you get CA with the F31fd? sure, I can get CA with my EF 24-105mm L, it's not a problem with either.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf31fd/5

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The point is not whether you can get CA with this camera, I can get it with pretty much any camera/lens you care to mention in certain scenarios, it's whether it's a big issue with this camera as you earlier contended, it isn't.

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Re: Nothing wrong with the F31fd
In reply to Cigarguy, 10 months ago

Cigarguy wrote:

Still use my F31fd for work and still love it. I still shot with my even older Olympus C8080 once in a while for work. It takes better pics then my F31 in some cases. These cameras are still functional and useful. Can still walk into my B&M and pic up xD cards. The museum piece is the tool behind the camera, improving this tool have always produce the best photographic improvement over the decades.

Sorry ... but that's specious. Although perhaps "the tool behind the camera" has a more appropriate meaning for you, who is to say what you really meant?

I haven't seen xD cards in a long time, but obviously some of you live where they are available. Great news.

The idea that the photographer matters more than the camera is not new ... it is the same with brain surgeons. The fact that you can make do with technology from the last decade does not mean that it is somehow a great idea. It merely means that you have to work within its limitations. And for your work, the limitations are obviously not a problem.

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Re: Nothing wrong with the F31fd
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papillon_65 wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

You said it was a museum piece, and while it may not be "state of the art" these days the image samples I posted still give it better IQ than plenty point and shoots released to this day, so that comment was nonsense. As a cheap pocketable P&S it's still a great little camera.

I said it was well behind the state of the art. It uses cards that you can only buy in a pawn shop. That makes it a museum piece.

XD cards are very easy to find and cheap, so that statement would be great if it was even remotely true.

40 bucks for 2GB here in Canada.

I can get a 64GB SDXC card for less.

Of course, no doubt you meant at the local pawn shop as discussed earlier.

We will have to agree to disagree. Enjoy your museum piece.

If you can't get great images out of an F31fd it's not the camera that's the problem.

Another specious comment. I have already stipulated that. Please spend more time reading and thinking and less time trying to sound clever.

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Re: Examples - DPR's own full size samples
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papillon_65 wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

Don't remember saying that it couldn't shoot ... I posted many an image from the F11 and was very pleased with it up to 1600 ... in 2005.

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No but you did say words to the effect that the lens was poor and riddled with CA -

That fact has been in evidence forever ...

Apparently not by these images.

it doesn't appear to be the case in these shots, which are of high quality from a small sensored camera, by anyones standards.

If you judge a camera by two samples then we have very little to discuss.

Well one of them had the nightmare CA scenario, backlit foliage, yet where was the CA?, can you get CA with the F31fd? sure, I can get CA with my EF 24-105mm L, it's not a problem with either.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf31fd/5

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The point is not whether you can get CA with this camera, I can get it with pretty much any camera/lens you care to mention in certain scenarios, it's whether it's a big issue with this camera as you earlier contended, it isn't.

So you say ... but the PF is definitely a huge issue. When it strikes, it is almost impossible to remove from images without leaving obvious traces.

If you never encounter it in your shooting style, that is luck on your part. Or limited shooting environments. But many have over the years and it is strong enough to feature on DPReview's image quality page.

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Re: Nothing wrong with the F31fd
In reply to Kim Letkeman, 10 months ago

Kim Letkeman wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

You said it was a museum piece, and while it may not be "state of the art" these days the image samples I posted still give it better IQ than plenty point and shoots released to this day, so that comment was nonsense. As a cheap pocketable P&S it's still a great little camera.

I said it was well behind the state of the art. It uses cards that you can only buy in a pawn shop. That makes it a museum piece.

XD cards are very easy to find and cheap, so that statement would be great if it was even remotely true.

40 bucks for 2GB here in Canada.

I can get a 64GB SDXC card for less.

Of course, no doubt you meant at the local pawn shop as discussed earlier.

You've never heard of ebay then?

We will have to agree to disagree. Enjoy your museum piece.

If you can't get great images out of an F31fd it's not the camera that's the problem.

Another specious comment. I have already stipulated that. Please spend more time reading and thinking and less time trying to sound clever.

Yes but you're contradicting yourself because if the camera is still capable of excellent image quality then it's not a "museum piece" is it, and anecdotal evidence from other posters just confirms it isn't, that's the point.

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