What is your idea of "the lens gap?"

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Marty4650
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What is your idea of "the lens gap?"
Feb 1, 2014

There is absolutely no shortage of lenses for M4/3. I recently counted 72 lenses being sold with native M4/3 lens mounts (22 of which were manual focus lenses, the rest being auto focus.) No other MILC camera brand comes even remotely close to the vast array of lenses available for the M4/3 system.

That being said, there is also a huge amount of duplication in the lens catalog. Like having twelve different normal zoom lenses, and a real shortage of very long lenses. So there still are gaps in the lens catalog for people who need certain types of lenses.

Which of the following "missing lens types" would you want the most? Which would be your highest priority?

Thanks!

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I would want more weather sealed lenses to use with the three weather sealed cameras already available.
12.6% 22  votes
I want a much longer prime lens, for wildlife, birding and nature photography. Something like a 200mm, 300mm or 400mm lens.
44.6% 78  votes
I would like a tilt and shift lens, for architectural photography
9.1% 16  votes
I would like a travel zoom lens with a greater range than the current 10X ones. Maybe something like a 15X zoom lens.
2.3% 4  votes
I'd like a really wide lens. Maybe a 4mm or 5mm lens.
5.7% 10  votes
The fast primes are great, but I'd like to see more fast zoom lenses. Faster than f/2,8 if possible,
13.7% 24  votes
I'd like to see something else not listed here, and I will describe what I want in my reply.
12.0% 21  votes
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Marty4650
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In reply to Marty4650, Feb 1, 2014

After typing the poll, I realized I left one thing out. And once you post a poll, you cannot edit it. So I will make it my vote for a lens catalog gap.

I think we need a longer macro lens for those folks who shoot tiny insects! A 45mm and 60mm macro is great, but we also need a 90mm or 100mm macro lens too.

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I want aftermarket AF lenses across the board, to put some price pressure on the OEMs. This system is a bit crazy when Oly can introduce an f/1.8 "normal" lens at $400 and nobody blinks.

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In reply to Marty4650, Feb 1, 2014

I would say a 9/10/10.5mm prime that is f2 or at least f2.8.

M43 is definitely short with long lenses. Long primes like you mentioned. M43 seems tailor made for wildlife and sport because of the crop factor but autofocus tracking needs to be improved. Until this happens I think there will be less demand for long primes.

An all in one fast zoom would be great like the sigma 18-35 f1.8 for aspc. A 12-25 f1.8 would be great if it's not massive.

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Another thing I almost forgot, is more pancake lenses. Especially primes. Olympus missed a trick by not making their new 25mm a pancake. I believe small lenses will bring more new users to this system.

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I find the 45mm f/1.8 to be small enough (on my GX1), so the 25mm should be fine with me too.

I'm not convinced of the need for a rectilinear lens wider than the 7mm we can already get. If you need wider than this I think a fish eye is more appropriate. The perspective is just too extreme with the rectilinear projection.

I would like to see Samyang add contacts and a chip so that at least the lens identity and aperture is reported even if the lens action remains manual.

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Agreed, I had rather hoped that it would be much closer in price to the 45mm instead of nearly twice the price.

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I would love to see Sigma come out with a 100 or 120/2.8.  I find this territory often used with my 40-150.  If it was also a macro, that would be a huge bonus.

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It's easy to predict that long telephoto prime will dominate this poll. For years, people regularly have been demanding 300-400mm prime in this forum.

What's also missing in this poll is faster primes, especially long portrait prime. There aren't many AF primes with F1.4 and faster (precisely - two). This is another m4/3 gap. Fuji got more F1.4 primes even though they have much less lenses in total.
I would vote for something like 65mm F1.4, especially if it costs below $1000.

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Pic Man wrote:

Another thing I almost forgot, is more pancake lenses. Especially primes. Olympus missed a trick by not making their new 25mm a pancake. I believe small lenses will bring more new users to this system.

The pancakes can only have focal length close to flange distance - 14-20mm for m4/3. 25mm pancake was possible only because 4/3 flange distance is longer.

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Marty4650 wrote:

After typing the poll, I realized I left one thing out. And once you post a poll, you cannot edit it. So I will make it my vote for a lens catalog gap.

I think we need a longer macro lens for those folks who shoot tiny insects! A 45mm and 60mm macro is great, but we also need a 90mm or 100mm macro lens too.

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micksh6 wrote:

Pic Man wrote:

Another thing I almost forgot, is more pancake lenses. Especially primes. Olympus missed a trick by not making their new 25mm a pancake. I believe small lenses will bring more new users to this system.

The pancakes can only have focal length close to flange distance - 14-20mm for m4/3. 25mm pancake was possible only because 4/3 flange distance is longer.

Is this true?  I'm no lens design expert, and I'm interested to know why this is the case?  Can you elaborate?  how does Fuji do it with the 27mm pancake they offer with a 17.7mm flange distance?  Is this design principle related to sensor size/AOV?

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I'd like Olympus to continue the fast f/1.8's more into the telephoto range. A nice 105mm f/1.8 would do nicely as an alternative to 135mm's for APS-C & 200mm's for FF.

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It's strange, there are so many MFT lenses, but I still had to pause and think which particular deficiency was the most annoying... I went for "good quality telephotos" BTW, as that's where the MFT advantage should shine are there aren't any at all, Panasonic even gave up developing their one...

Looking down my Canon lens line-up it's a bit depressing how many don't have MFT equivalents... plus I haven't even got around to buying a TSE lens yet...

A really good quality 250mm f3.2 would help a lot though.... "Is this thing on"???

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Mark Thornton wrote:

Agreed, I had rather hoped that it would be much closer in price to the 45mm instead of nearly twice the price.

Huh? Which lens are you talking about?

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The 25mm will come down in price soon enough... Nowadays most electronics seem to be released with an initial price hike, in anticipation of the increasingly common practice of treating online ordering services' return politicies as a 'free rental' - people who order tons of stuff from Amazon just to try it, without intention of keeping it, and return it within a month for a full refund, cost the OEMs a lot of money as the inventory of used items can only be sold significantly under MRSP...

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micksh6 wrote:

Pic Man wrote:

Another thing I almost forgot, is more pancake lenses. Especially primes. Olympus missed a trick by not making their new 25mm a pancake. I believe small lenses will bring more new users to this system.

The pancakes can only have focal length close to flange distance - 14-20mm for m4/3. 25mm pancake was possible only because 4/3 flange distance is longer.

Is this true? I'm no lens design expert, and I'm interested to know why this is the case? Can you elaborate? how does Fuji do it with the 27mm pancake they offer with a 17.7mm flange distance? Is this design principle related to sensor size/AOV?

Theoretically, when focal length is around flange distance the lens doesn't require retrofocus or telephoto designs. These generally increase size.

If you look at pancakes on different systems, they are generally close to flange distance. For DSLRs (Pentax, Canon) it's 40mm pancakes, for example.

Well, maybe it's safer to say that fast high quality pancake is easier to make this way. Fuji 27mm may be an exception, but it's only F2.8 and it's not the best Fuji lens in terms of IQ. Panasonic 20mm F1.7, on the other hand, is one of the finest m4/3 lenses.

I don't think people would be excited with 25mm F2.8 m4/3 pancake if it had average quality like 4/3 version.

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