Can you tell the difference . . .

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Messier Object
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Can you tell the difference . . .
6 months ago

Over the past 2 years or so my shooting has become more specialised to the point where birds have become over 90% of my shots. I know it won't last and I'll eventually swing back to landscapes and Macro, but for now it's birds and I've got myself plenty of (too many?) camera/lens combo options covering different lighting situations, different situations where weather, weight and bulk are factors, and of course different birds, static and BIF
.

This afternoon, in good light I laid out my gear in the backyard and took some shots of a bird on my roof, curious to see if in ideal light and shooting a static bird, I'd really notice much IQ difference
.

Lenses used:
ZD150mm f/2 + EC-20 (300mm)
ZD50-200mm SWD + EC-14 (at 283mm)
ZD300mm f/2.8
Sigma 50-500mm f/4.5-6.3 OS APO for Canon (at 500mm)
Canon 300mm f/2.8 L II + Canon 2xIII (600mm)
.
camera bodies: E-30, E-5, 5DIII
.

Each was shot hand held, with IS on, and I took a few frames just to make sure I got reasonably good focus.

The bird was at a range of about 25 metres.

To be fair on the gear, all were shot at ISO400, and 1/1600sec and I did stop down the 'lower grade' lenses just a bit - compensating in PP. I did my usual amount of NR in PP and also tweaked the white balance in PP just enough to hide any 'tells' that might ID the cameras.

The crops were roughly the same and I resized each to 1600p wide before adding the borders.

While preparing the images I lost track of which was which having simply renamed the jpg files with the last 2 digits of the RAWs
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So here they are in random order,
any guesses as to the combo used for each shot ?
.

1.

2.

3.

4.

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In reply to Messier Object, 6 months ago

... you're asking us to spot the camera/lens combinations from images downsized to 1100x800 for which you don't provide the originals and after so much PP? You don't ask too much, do you?

Anyway, judging from the sky colour, my guess is that #3 is from the Canon.

The rest seem to be from the Olympus DSLRs with #5 probably going to the E-30.

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Nope. Each shot makes me equally hungry .....

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I asked the bird for a hint but he wouldn't help.

Next time, you should include a shot from a compact camera and one from a cell phone.

Cheers!

Marc

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A very nice bird, whatever it is Peter.  I have no idea which is which.  No. 3 appears to have the best combination of eye sharpness and detail in the stone work, so likely more DOF and I would suspect a smaller aperture.  Some of the others have the detail in the stones but the eye doesn't seem as sharp.  From these, at this resolution I can't see any reason to buy a $7000 lens.  Full size is likely another story.

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The dice say 2 & 5 are 5 & 4 (in reverse order).

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Messier Object wrote:

Over the past 2 years or so my shooting has become more specialised to the point where birds have become over 90% of my shots. I know it won't last and I'll eventually swing back to landscapes and Macro, but for now it's birds and I've got myself plenty of (too many?) camera/lens combo options covering different lighting situations, different situations where weather, weight and bulk are factors, and of course different birds, static and BIF
.

This afternoon, in good light I laid out my gear in the backyard and took some shots of a bird on my roof, curious to see if in ideal light and shooting a static bird, I'd really notice much IQ difference
.

Lenses used:
ZD150mm f/2 + EC-20 (300mm)
ZD50-200mm SWD + EC-14 (at 283mm)
ZD300mm f/2.8
Sigma 50-500mm f/4.5-6.3 OS APO for Canon (at 500mm)
Canon 300mm f/2.8 L II + Canon 2xIII (600mm)
.
camera bodies: E-30, E-5, 5DIII
.

Each was shot hand held, with IS on, and I took a few frames just to make sure I got reasonably good focus.

The bird was at a range of about 25 metres.

To be fair on the gear, all were shot at ISO400, and 1/1600sec and I did stop down the 'lower grade' lenses just a bit - compensating in PP. I did my usual amount of NR in PP and also tweaked the white balance in PP just enough to hide any 'tells' that might ID the cameras.

The crops were roughly the same and I resized each to 1600p wide before adding the borders.

While preparing the images I lost track of which was which having simply renamed the jpg files with the last 2 digits of the RAWs
.

So here they are in random order,
any guesses as to the combo used for each shot ?
.

1.

2.

3.

4.

Hmm interesting post.

To start off with is the best is no 3

OK

1 ZD 300 f/2.8 Very narow dof = 0.5m

2 50-200 with the EC14 F/5.6 with that DOF =1.4m

3 canon 300mm 25m f/2.8 DOF = 1.17m

4 ZD 150+ EC20

5 Canon Bigma.

I did notice however that the exposures of the bird where different which will affect perceived sharpens considerably. changes a expose a bit and that did sort of level the field a bit.

The 2 definites are

1 ZD 300

3 Canon 300

The others are a toss up.

I probably got them all wrong.

If no 3 is not the canon 300 f/2.8 I would have it seen to.

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Have had my coffee so should at least be able to take a stab. #3 has the most detail so I'll presume is the Canon kit. By contrast, #4 looks smeared so I'll guess is the E-30 and/or the Sigma zoom. The rest, no idea.

Cheers,

Rick

p.s. Cool "hair"do on the pigeon. Have never seen one like it.

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( on my monitor) For color, the first two are similar, but the second sky is better than the first. The first photo's sky is just not quite right.

The third shot has most detail, but looks slightly over-sharpened when looking too closely.  The colors don't look right to me - an unnatural tint to the sky. This difference may be attributed to the software you used if these were shot raw. The bird seems to have a yellowish tint.  Also seems ro have a bit lower contrast.

The fourth shot has less detail than the third, but the color is far better.

Without knowing what the bird is supposed to look like, I'd say the last photo was the most natural looking color for the bird itself, but the sky is just a tiny bit off.  And there is far less detail in this last shot.

I won't even start to think I can say which camera is with what lens, but I am on the edge of my seat waiting to hear which is what.

Thanks for posting Peter!

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Next time, make the bird a parrot so at least we have some shot at getting that bird to talk.  

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I forgot the cameras.

1 = E-5 ZD 300

2 = E-5 ZD 50-200 + EC14

3= 5D Canon 300 mkIII

4 = E-30 = 150 + EC20

5 = 5D + Bigma

I did observed slight sharpening halo's on no. 3 + 5 . The others are no so pronounced.

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audiomarc wrote:

I asked the bird for a hint but he wouldn't help.

Next time, you should include a shot from a compact camera and one from a cell phone.

Cheers!

Marc

I'm too scared to do that in case it looks just as good as the big lenses 

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Andrew,
Thanks for commenting.
It was not meant to be a test and even I had to go back to the originals to confirm which is which.
The lack of sharp focus on at least one of the shots is indeed a  'product' of the combo as much as my skill with it. In all cases I used single-point (small) AF.

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CollBaxter wrote:

I probably got them all wrong.

see my overall comments 

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Have had my coffee so should at least be able to take a stab. #3 has the most detail so I'll presume is the Canon kit. By contrast, #4 looks smeared so I'll guess is the E-30 and/or the Sigma zoom. The rest, no idea.

Cheers,

Rick

p.s. Cool "hair"do on the pigeon. Have never seen one like it.

Thanks for commenting Rick

The bird is a Crested Pigeon - very common throughout Australia. I have a small flock which frequents my yard. They have been very cooperative test subjects over the years.

#3 is my pick as the best, as for the rest, I'll post the answers at the end

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Ok cameras:

2 & 5 Canon (Sky is paler and colours on wing less vibrant)

1 E30

3 & 4 E5 (Great colour and sharpness.)

Lenses (Take your pick)

By the way great subject, what on earth is it?  Looks like some sort of Pheasant but on the roof??

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Thanks for commenting George.
Your comments actually are spot-on in terms of how minor adjustments in PP have a large impact on how 'good' and 'right' the final image will look.

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Roger Engelken wrote:

Next time, make the bird a parrot so at least we have some shot at getting that bird to talk.

Hi Roger,

the Parrots don't sit still long enough - like kids in the fast lane 

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OlyChamp wrote:

Ok cameras:

2 & 5 Canon (Sky is paler and colours on wing less vibrant)

1 E30

3 & 4 E5 (Great colour and sharpness.)

Lenses (Take your pick)

By the way great subject, what on earth is it? Looks like some sort of Pheasant but on the roof??

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Hi Thane,
Thanks for looking and your comments. 
The bird is a crested pigeon - very common over here from the bush to the cities.
The wing colours come and go depending on the angle of the sun

Peter

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In reply to Messier Object, 6 months ago

It appears the only combination you failed to try was an Ithaca 20ga. with some no. 8 birdshot. There would have been more intense colors, but only one frame (lol). Would a test with raw data for review provide better answers. As in, which combo has best res, contrast, color, etc. , any PP negates us learning from all your work. I love the real world tests that get posted, but they must be untainted.

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