Faked DSLR - A new trend for the mirrorless.

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Faked DSLR - A new trend for the mirrorless.
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What's up with the faked pentaprism on E-M1, A7, X-T1 ???

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nofumble wrote:

What's up with the faked pentaprism on E-M1, A7, X-T1 ???

They probably realized that most of us that actually use our cameras heavily don't want a cigarette pack with a soft drink can stuck to it...

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nofumble wrote:

What's up with the faked pentaprism on E-M1, A7, X-T1 ???

It gives the designers somewhere to stick the enormous EVF.

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So... Another humpophobic.
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nofumble wrote:

What's up with the faked pentaprism on E-M1, A7, X-T1 ???

It looked even funnier when they put it on the bottom.  So this is better.

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What's up with the faked pentaprism on E-M1, A7, X-T1 ???

There is no fake pentaprism. You're simply seeing things.

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nofumble wrote:

What's up with the faked pentaprism on E-M1, A7, X-T1 ???

Have you figured out where the viewfinder is on these cameras yet?

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Martin.au wrote:

nofumble wrote:

What's up with the faked pentaprism on E-M1, A7, X-T1 ???

It gives the designers somewhere to stick the enormous EVF.

Enormous EVF?  Seen an NEX-6 or GX7 lately?

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They are going for the retro look.

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A good one
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What's up with the faked pentaprism on E-M1, A7, X-T1 ???

It gives the designers somewhere to stick the enormous EVF.

Enormous EVF? Seen an NEX-6 or GX7 lately?

Yes, have you? Notice the NEX6 is far closer to a 1DX than the APSC prisms. And, do you really think these won't increase in size over the next few years? The new X-T1 says they will. Do you think OVF will increase in size? History tells me they won't.

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GodSpeaks wrote:

Martin.au wrote:

nofumble wrote:

What's up with the faked pentaprism on E-M1, A7, X-T1 ???

It gives the designers somewhere to stick the enormous EVF.

Enormous EVF? Seen an NEX-6 or GX7 lately?

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Truth be told, I didn't realise they were that large. However, I suspect that's also about the upper limit of what they can jam in there.

In that case, it gives the designers somewhere to stick the accessory port.

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same thing that's up with...
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EM5, EM10, GH1-GH3, G1-G6, A3000, and all of the Sony SLT cameras. Technically speaking, none of them need a prism like hump, because all of them have EVF's.

One reason is marketing: Back in the mid 2000's, Olympus brought out a new DSLR that had no hump, styled after the old Pen F cameras. Like the Pen F's, it used a sideways mirror to redirect VF light to the side and up to the VF, for a lower profile. This was called the E300. It was a slow seller.

Six months later, they took the internals of the E300, repackaged it with a pentamirror and hump for a more traditional SLR look, and it was a hot seller. Otherwise, exactly the same camera as the E300.

Apparently, a lot of people don't like funny looking cameras, and that does impact sales.

Can't speak for the others, but in the case of the OMD line, the hump houses not only the EVF but also places the sensor for the electomagnetic IBIS in an optimal location. So there is some functionality for it, but in the end, it's largely styling for a more familiar look.

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Well, part of this is for style, but there's actually a very good ergonomic reason for the humped viewfinder from a control placement point of view...you can fit more controls in at the right places, and all these humped designs have lots of manual dials. Plus, on the newest ones the viewfinders are immense, with eye relief designed to accommodate glasses...big hump. Check out

www.cameraergonomics.com

for a fascinating and exhaustive treatment of this subject. For viewfindered cameras, the hump isn't just for style points.

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This appears to me that you are emphatically agreeing with your own post. Have I interpreted this correctly?

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Leonard Migliore wrote:

Ontario Gone wrote:

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This appears to me that you are emphatically agreeing with your own post. Have I interpreted this correctly?

To be fair, aren't you less worried than if he'd violently disagreed with his own post?

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I'm actually fine with the shape of the "cigarette box" style cameras, but I have to wonder if the ones with that shape tend to have the brightest viewfinders...? From what I understand, they don't. The GH2 that I just bought has a bit of a hump on the top and to me it isn't a slick looking as some of the ones that don't.... but it does have a really bright viewfinder and I'm happy with that... Form follows function you know, though I know that there's a bit more of that going on because that extra space on top tends to be designed to look like an old SLR hump, but is that really such a bad thing.
I think that some of the new crop of cameras like the new Fuji model are quite well designed. I like the "retro" controls on the body approach, it seems like it isn't really any bigger than it needs to be and the look is cool in my book, retro or not.

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Martin.au wrote:

nofumble wrote:

What's up with the faked pentaprism on E-M1, A7, X-T1 ???

It gives the designers somewhere to stick the enormous EVF.

Enormous EVF?  Seen an NEX-6 or GX7 lately?

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Besides that the EVFs on NEX-6 and like might be pushing the limits, you also have to consider ergonomics when you shoot with lenses that are larger, heavier and you also don't limit self to landscape mode only.

As much as I enjoy using my NEX-6, especially with small native and legacy lenses, portrait mode and using heavier lenses becomes an issue with lens mount and EVF not being aligned.

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What other shape do you want it to be?
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If you are going to have an ergonomic camera with both a large centered viewfinder and a screen that almost covers the back, the logical place to put the viewfinder is above the screen.  So you basically have a rectangular box with a smaller housing on top of it in the center.  The other option is to make the box taller to enclose the housing, but that makes for an awkward grip with no way for the fingers to engage controls on the top surfaces.

If you take that combination of a horizontal oriented rectangular box shape with a smaller housing at the center top, and put a lens in the middle of the box in the front, it's going to look like, guess what, a camera with a high mounted center viewfinder.  Which is what it is.

How you style it, and therefore how much it looks like a "retro SLR" is a matter for the marketing department.  But the basic shape comes from what it is.

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